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[Judge Holden]

The fat, hairy, fake trans Jake Alley probably sees a lot of himself in Yaniv.

Oh im sure he would love to see himself in Yaniv...

 

[Fapcop]

I've noticed embeds sometimes don't start at the right time, but I thought it might just be my 'no autoplay' extension

I always provide a timestamped URL in addition to the embed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1h30m18s&v=9lthYUyQ3lU



Depressing thing is in most communist or even former communist states you do get a bunch of desperate women selling sex, especially with foreigners who might take them somewhere that doesn't suck.

In the ex Soviet bloc, prostitution officially didn’t exist, so the prostitutes would go to one of the few places where they could find men with hard, foreign currency: Hotel’s for international travelers.

In Cuba it’s not unusual to see a teacher or engineer moonlight as a hooker, and earn her monthly salary in a few hours.

(It goes both ways btw. Young men sleep with fat, middle aged female tourists, but instead of cash, the “exchange” is often in the form of “gifts” sneakers, clothes, electronics. Guess it’s because of their delicate macho sensibilities or something.)

TLDR: Commies has prostitutes, just unofficially. Like with AIDS and the gays.

Extra bonus info: Until gay rights became a left wing issue, gays officially didn’t exist in the Soviet Bloc, since it was seen as a side effect of fascism.

 

[Judge Holden]

In the ex Soviet bloc, prostitution officially didn’t exist, so the prostitutes would go to one of the few places where they could find men with hard, foreign currency: Hotel’s for international travelers.

In Cuba it’s not unusual to see a teacher or engineer moonlight as a hooker, and earn her monthly salary in a few hours.

(It goes both ways btw. Young men sleep with fat, middle aged female tourists, but instead of cash, the “exchange” is often in the form of “gifts” sneakers, clothes, electronics. Guess it’s because of their delicate macho sensibilities or something.)

TLDR: Commies has prostitutes, just unofficially. Like with AIDS and the gays.

Extra bonus info: Until gay rights became a left wing issue, gays officially didn’t exist in the Soviet Bloc, since it was seen as a side effect of fascism.

Yeah the Soviets were much like every other totalitarian "OUR SOCIETY IS PERFECT! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!" state in that all societal problems magically didnt exist in the eyes of the government, be they serial killers racking up the continent's high score of dead and mutilated children or one of the biggest inland seas on the planet drying out due to shittily planned hydroelectric plants causing an environmental disaster that will fuck over the whole of central asia or nuclear reactors exploding thanks to decades of sustained stripping away of all safety features to save on cost and thus were ignored past the point of absurdity no matter how horrifically bad shit got since at that point admitting the truth would be political suicide

 

[XQ 076]

Noting that Canada is briefly looking more fucked than the UK, a British politician comes crawling out to defend Jonathan being a true and honest woman. Fiona appears to be the head honcho for women and equalities for the SNP.




https://twitter.com/fionasnp/status/1152597331881209857?s=21
http://archive.li/ne3aH

 

[Silence of the Troons]

Intersex activist and Terven TERF Claire Graham (also known as MRKHtake/MRKHvoice on Twatter from which she was recently banned for not being very PC™) recently published a blog post in which she talked about Balldemort and his and his mother's claims about him getting periods https://mrkhvoice.com/index.php/2019/07/21/do-intersex-men-have-periods/

Do Intersex Men Have Periods?
I’ve been asked to comment on some of the claims made by Jessica Yaniv in their recent British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal hearing (there’s some background to the case here for those not familiar with it), as well as other comments they have made in the past pertaining to being intersex.

Let’s get the easy one out of the way first, Yaniv has said in the tribunal that intersex means people having “both genitalia”. This is a common misconception. I’ve written about ambiguous genitalia and what this means before (clue: it’s not both), so I’m not going to go into detail again here. Suffice to say, if Yaniv has a penis, they do not also have a vagina. The claim I am going to explore in more detail is that Yaniv has periods.

To begin with, let’s remind ourselves what a period is. A period is part of the menstruation cycle, namely monthly bleeding caused by the shedding of the lining of the uterus and unfertilised ova. Menstrual blood flows from the uterus through the small opening in the cervix and passes out of the body through the vagina. You can find a more detailed description here, should you need it.

I think it’s fair to assume, as we know that Yaniv cannot have “both sets of genitals” and that the cases are centred around the waxing of genitalia, that Yaniv has a penis. If they had a vulva (there has been a lot of talk of waxing vaginas – let’s be clear the vagina is internal, the vulva external), then I assume they would not be making up claims of both sets of genitals or evading answers about their own body parts.

So, the obvious question is; can a person with a penis menstruate?

The condition I’ve seen most used to back up this claim (Yaniv isn’t the first, to be fair), is Persistent Mullerian Duct Syndrome (PMDS). PMDS occurs when there is a mutation in the AMH gene. I’ve written a bit about the AMH gene before, but here’s a quick reminder – female reproductive organs develop from the Mullerian duct. In typical male development, the gene AMH causes this structure to break down. In cases of PMDS the gene does not activate, so a uterus and fallopian tubes develop alongside male reproductive organs – a penis and testes.

PMDS is rare, and a quick scan of the scientific literature reveals that men with PMDS run an increased risk of certain testicular tumours, which really puts to bed the suggestion that men with PMDS ovulate. We know, again from existing, extensive studies into DSDs and discussions around labels such as “hermaphrodite”, that there has never been a person who has both working ovaries and testes. I did find one example of a man with PMDS who was found to have some ovarian tissue, although it is clear from the paper that this was not functioning, and there is no suggestion that the patient reported any symptoms of menstruation. It’s also worth noting that the uterus in PMDS cases is often misplaced and severely underdeveloped.

There are other, rare DSDs, such as mixed gonadal dysgenesis (MGD), where a person with a penis can be born with a mixture of ovarian and testicular tissue and with internal female organs but with male genitalia (MGD can also present with female genitalia, although whether male or female, the genitalia is likely to appear ambiguous at birth). Again, these cases are not hermaphrodites. MGD can present with any mix of gonadal tissue. This can include ovotestes (gonads with a mix of testicular and ovarian tissue – these are non-functioning), streak gonads (where reproductive tissue is replaced with functionless, fibrous tissue) and sometimes either a single working testis or ovary. MGD is always apparent at birth, as it would also involve ambiguous genitalia. If the presence of a functional ovary were detected, this would lead to female sex being recorded. Similarly, a functional testis would lead to male sex being recorded. So, even in complex cases like this, we do not encounter men having periods.

I have come across two news stories about men menstruating and have seen people refer to these before, so I’m going to try to address these here too. Firstly, there is this case, in which a man with PMDS claims to have a complete reproductive system, including ovaries and a history of menstruation. As already stated, it would be impossible for anyone to have both working testes and ovaries, and the man clearly also states that he had a successful operation on an undescended testicle when he was a baby, so it seems likely he is confused about the ovaries. This seems to be related to him having experienced blood in his urine. It’s worth pointing out that blood in the urine is not uncommon with PMDS, in fact it is often what alerts adults with PMDS who have gone undiagnosed as babies to their condition. This is thought to be caused by hormone imbalances, not menstruation.

The second case is this one from China. This is much simpler to explain as the person in this case had been raised as male but was actually female with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), meaning their genitalia had appeared virilised at birth, and so they had been recorded as the incorrect sex. It’s worth noting that incorrect sex assignment is increasingly rare and even in this case did not result in an unambiguous male appearance in adulthood.

It’s probably worth, as a final note, mentioning that no other DSDs which result in an unambiguous male phenotype would involve the presence of any of the necessary organs for menstruation. XX males, males with Klinefelters, MAIS, PAIS, 5-ARD deficiency, etc, all have testes, although not necessarily fertile.

In summary, there is no DSD where someone with male genitalia menstruates. There are a number of complex conditions that can lead to a mix of internal organs. These often involve other health implications and can be traumatic and life changing for people to come to terms with upon diagnosis. They are not fun talking points by which other people can validate their gender identities by the spreading of misinformation. It does not help people with those conditions.

One thing that does strike me is that as long as intersex is being kicked around in cases involving gender identities, by people with no real knowledge of what it means, there should be an insistence that the evidence and claims cannot be used without an actual DSD expert to assess the validity of them first. It’s disappointing and frustrating to see trans activists being allowed to get away with this, and capitalise on their own and other’s ignorance, to advance a political movement that really has no interest in intersex matters or reality.

 

[Fapcop]

Noting that Canada is briefly looking more fucked than the UK, a British politician comes crawling out to defend Jonathan being a true and honest woman. Fiona appears to be the head honcho for women and equalities for the SNP.

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https://twitter.com/fionasnp/status/1152597331881209857?s=21
http://archive.li/ne3aH

One of the basic problems here, is how the Marxist concept of “oppression” and “oppressed classes” is tied at the hip with gender identification and gender protections. (As opposed to sex-based protections.)

Now we’re all reasonably smart and sane people in here, so everyone can immediately see the problem with giving a persons gender identification (aka “I feel like a woman”) the same validity as being a woman: “Wouldn’t that mean that any pervert can claim they’re a woman to get access to women’s spaces?”

Unfortunately, if you’re hooked on soc.jus that argument doesn’t make sense. (Remember the Marxist claptrap about oppression?) Because:

“Why would anyone choose to become an oppressed minority? Nobody would choose to become a woman, with all of the oppression involved, unless they really mean it!”

 

[JaneThough]

“Jessica filed an assault charge against a 60+ year old woman she claims punched her in the face. The woman yelled at her mother for laying on her horn when the drive into the parkade. Lies from a pathetic excuse for a human being.”

Twitter

archived 22 Jul 2019 05:13:26 UTC

archive.fo

Anyone have the source for these details about the “ASS ASSAULT”?

Ok, something that seems to be overlooked here. JY claims that she was punched as a direct result of the pub ban being lifted, aka for her identity as a trans activist. Then it comes out that if an assault happened, it was because his mother was honking at someone??

 

[xcointelpro]

My favorite part of this whole saga is the game theory aspect, re: ideology.

Woke progressives painted themselves into a corner with their policies, and JY is the perfect cotton-candy pink-and-blue color to show it.

It's almost too perfect. Like JY came straight from Gender Critical Central Casting.

Tervs, rad-fems, and conservatives have been shunned for "crying wolf" on predatory gender-benders... Time for a big "told ya so" as they point at this super-unlikeable monstrosity: perving on young girls, predatory litigation, a total troll on twitter, a mockery of womanhood, wasting everybody's time and money on xir delusions.

What can the woke left do?

If they ignore the story, the conservatives control the narrative, and they finally seem willing to do so, as they ramp up on twitter and nu-media (Ricky Gervais, Toronto Sun, Daily Wire, etc.).

But if they say "JY is no true transgender woman because bla bla bla" then they indict their own policy as completely broken (which it is, imho) - how do you prove a transwoman is not a "JY" when elective treatment for transitioning removes the onus from doctors, self-identification as a woman removes the ability for anybody but the individual to declare themselves women, and bill c-16 mandates that everybody play along OR ELSE.

JY just broke apart the whole policy discussion with his attention whoring and litigation.

It's so screwy. It feels like the mainstream is about to be 'peak trans'd' by this shmuck and the only winners are people with sanity and common sense.

 

[illhavetwo]

I can see why they didn't want the self-defence classes advertised, heaven forbid a female being able to defend herself. Though sounds as though he could have done with them himself.

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Too late trying to play the hero now.

Twitter

I believed him the first time because I saw proof it was being done (imagine being such a cultist that you tear down posters offering rape victim help):

This is interesting because it means he has been involved with the local troon terrorist cell on some level. I wish we had more information like, was he going to meetings? Do they know him personally?

 

[CatParty]

 

[Trig.Point]

Noting that Canada is briefly looking more fucked than the UK, a British politician comes crawling out to defend Jonathan being a true and honest woman. Fiona appears to be the head honcho for women and equalities for the SNP.

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https://twitter.com/fionasnp/status/1152597331881209857?s=21
http://archive.li/ne3aH

This could be really interesting to watch. The SNP as a party have a laser focus on independence, and can be quite ruthless about cutting loose anyone that impedes their campaign towards that single objective, eg their former leader Alex Salmon.

They're a social justice party in so much as it engages the activist Yoof, Scotland is not a particularly diverse place and the population as a whole seems happy for it to remain that way, diversity is London's strength.

Anyway if you keep an eye on the twitter account, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes quite in a little while, after she starts getting some attention from the adults at head office.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Then it comes out that if an assault happened, it was because his mother was honking at someone??

Maybe the honking was an Alt Right Clown World memer and Mum just got the blame?

 

[Caltrop]

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So Luna (of many socks) can’t bring them self to read much about Yaniv. Typical SJW. Facts would get in the way of their opinion.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

What the "la la la, I can't hear you" trans groups don't get is that the only reason the Yaniv case has broken through the wall of silence about trans bad actors in the media is that he is so cartoonishly evil that he brought together people from totally different groups that disagree on everything else, just so they could agitate to get this published about and out in the open.

They think that JY being the first person like this they've really heard about means they can shut their eyes to it and that it's an isolated incident. The reality is that there are dozens of known troons running scams very nearly as creepy than Yaniv's tampon fetish combined with litigation extortion, and thousands visible on any given trans forum who aren't quite as terrifying but are clearly fetishists and voyeurs who belong nowhere near women's spaces for changing or bathing.

The current trans movement is like watching a guy on the bridge of the Titanic shrugging and saying "I don't know much about that little tiny iceberg we're about to cruise by, but I'm sure it doesn't matter, it's so small and there's only one of them."

 

[Cryin RN]

They think that JY being the first person like this they've really heard about means they can shut their eyes to it and that it's an isolated incident. The reality is that there are dozens of known troons running scams very nearly as creepy than Yaniv's tampon fetish combined with litigation extortion, and thousands visible on any given trans forum who aren't quite as terrifying but are clearly fetishists and voyeurs who belong nowhere near women's spaces for changing or bathing.

Exactly. And if he was ONLY a pedophile, he would still have active trans supporters. Morgane wouldn't have shit to say. It's the racism that they're trying to get away from. JY being a huge enthusiastic racist and OWNING those comments live on radio and in court (for example!) is why they're scuttling around not sure what party line to spout. All trans women are sex weirdos and Jonathan's flavour wouldn't be enough to make them nervous.

 

[scotts_3101]

A request for a 12 years old and up topless party hosted by you know who. Parents and guardians forbidden. Submitted today. The absolute fucking balls on this guy!

Edit: sorry everyone. I skimmed backwards through the thread and didn’t see this posted so I thought it was new. I am dumb

 

[BlueCoal]

The most frightening thing to me, is if he's actually convicted of anything and send to prison, they would legally have to send him to a women's prison.

I know that women's prisons have just as scary inmates as a men's prison and just as likely to cut you, but having a 200+ male body troon behind bars with a female inmate who can't physically escape would be like a paradise to him.

Also, Jonny should know by now that things can't be scrubbed off the internet once it's posted. Weaponized autism and its want to document and archive anything and everything will always prevail.

Haha fuck me. What if this fat slob has figured out that the disability tugboat isnt good enough, but if he gets himself arrested he'll have a roof over his head, food, and the women are FORCED to be around him.

 

[Ruin]

There's some really cute fan fiction going on in here but absolutely nothing is going to happen. Yaniv is going to get what he wants because Canada is pozzed and the entirety of the left wing media will rally around him because #Istandwithtranswomen and #defeatbigotry. The idea that some dumb TERF blogs with 15 followers are going to be the end of the troon industrial complex is silly.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Don't know if this has been posted before but here's the BCHRT 90 day schedule

http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/shareddocs/process/hearing_schedule.pdf

Relevant line is this.

So it seems like we will be granted milk July 22nd 7pm PST when he talks at Langley town council and then again on July 26th for his next (final?) BCHRT hearing.

There's some really cute fan fiction going on in here but absolutely nothing is going to happen. Yaniv is going to get what he wants because Canada is pozzed and the entirety of the left wing media will rally around him because #Istandwithtranswomen and #defeatbigotry. The idea that some dumb TERF blogs with 15 followers are going to be the end of the troon industrial complex is silly.

I used to think so, but now I'm not so sure. If you read the costs application Cousineau comes close to finding him a vexatious litigant

http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/shareddocs/decisions/2019/may/106_JY_v_Various_Waxing_Salons_2019_BCHRT_106.pdf

From page 14

[45] However, I cannot, at this stage, find that JY is a vexatious litigant. The complaints that
she has filed raise an important issue of the rights of transgender women to access gender‐
affirming care, particularly in the context of what appear to be predominantly small businesses
run by racialized women. I have not yet made any findings of fact in respect of those complaints
and cannot conclude JY’s conduct in filing them makes her vexatious.

[46] That said, it is fair to characterize JY as a frequent litigant. Service providers who engage
with her, or other parties whom she has complained against, would likely agree with Laser Cut
that there is a public interest in knowing about JY’s litigation history and patterns. Indeed, in a
separate application, Laser Cut has submitted documents from another one of JY’s legal actions
in an attempt to demonstrate a pattern of targeting people from the South Asian community.
This type of inquiry, which does engage the public interest, will be hampered if JY is permitted
to cloak herself with anonymity in her complaints.

And declined his appeal for costs for the heinous crime of 'misgendering' since he does not have clean hands/is a racist asshole

From page 18

[58]Second, in my view, JY does not come to this issue with clean hands. This is a relevant consideration in respect of an application for costs because of the discretionary nature of the award and its punitive purpose. In that regard, the Tribunal has held that “a party seeking such costs should not expect a favourable result if the party’s own hands are not clean”: Reekie v. International Longshore and Warehouse Union Local 400 (No. 4), 2006 BCHRT 242 at para. 10; see also Gibbons v. Abbotsford Chrysler and Chiang, 2009 BCHRT 381 at para. 18; Mint Tanning at para. 42.

[59] In an attempt to make a point of her own, JY has made frequent reference and derogatory assumptions about the “culture” of Laser Cut’s legal counsel, Mr. Randhawa. She begins by arguing that Laser Cut’s conduct was tantamount to her “purposefully profiling Mr. Randhawa and attacking his culture, and his looks to committing crimes that are well known from that culture in the City of Surrey, such as the rampant gang shootings and then saying he did do that” [as written]. She then goes on, throughout her submissions, to make frequent reference to Mr. Randhawa’s “culture” being one that is “very conservative” and where certain topics are not discussed. She asserts that “the majority of people in Surrey unfortunately are unproficient in English and do not possess customers service skills”. Such comments, in my view, draw on racial and cultural stereotypes that have no place in this Tribunal’s process. Just as JY should not have to endure being misgendered, Mr. Randhawa should not have to endure irrelevant personal judgment statements derived from stereotype.

[60] In short, I agree with JY that Laser Cut’s conduct in referring to her using male pronouns was improper. However, I do not find that conduct warrants an order of costs because it has been rectified and because JY has engaged in similar conduct herself.

I think Cousineau is going to find against Yaniv and then declare him a vexatious litigant.

Edit: Also look at this
Page 25

[81]JY has required parties and this Tribunal to invest time and resources into complaints
which she does not appear prepared to pursue past a certain point. She does this at no
personal financial cost and, for the time being, under the cloak of anonymity. Her conduct
suggests that she is filing complaints without a proper appreciation of the gravity of doing so,
and without concern about the effects that has on the people around her.
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[82]JY says that she has been compelled to withdraw her complaints because the
respondents, and in particular their lawyers, are harassing her. I am no longer persuaded by this
explanation. While there have been aspects of the submissions, addressed above, which are
disrespectful, the Tribunal has the tools to address that conduct by setting clear expectations
for proper conduct and, where appropriate, enforcing those expectations through its power to
order costs. JY did not give the Tribunal the chance to protect her, or its own process, before
simply withdrawing altogether.

[83]JY specifically accuses Laser Cut of harassing her with a pattern of fake food orders.
However, there is no evidence capable of attributing those cruel pranks to Laser Cut. Further,
this submission is somewhat undermined by the fact that JY has since filed a new complaint
against Laser Cut, alleging that it retaliated against her. I place very little weight on this new
complaint, given that the parties did not have notice it would be at issue. However, it is
surprising that JY would file a new complaint against a party which she says has compelled her,
by its conduct, to withdraw her other complaint.

[84]I have found that JY’s pattern of filing a large number of complaints and then
withdrawing those where the respondent mounts a defence is improper. In all of the
circumstances, I find that a nominal costs award is appropriate to convey this Tribunal’s
disapproval of JY’s conduct. I take into account that the issue that JY is pursuing is an important
one, that her motivations are complex, that I have made no findings of fact, and that she is self‐
represented. I order her to pay Laser Cut the sum of $150.

[85] Going forward, I impress upon JY the gravity of filing a human rights complaint. She should
feel free to do so, in any situation where she believes she has been discriminated against. She
should expect that this Tribunal will deliver its service in a way that is respectful and does not
expose her to further discrimination. However, she must also understand that respondents
are entitled to defend themselves and expect that they will.

Once again Cousineau slaps down Yaniv

Haha fuck me. What if this fat slob has figured out that the disability tugboat isnt good enough, but if he gets himself arrested he'll have a roof over his head, food, and the women are FORCED to be around him.

This reminds me of a nightmare version of Rorschach's 'I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me'

 

[*extremely mom voice*]

An idea I've been toying with:

Once a week (or once a day since the action's brisk) one of a team of volunteers takes a turn at producing a round-up for the week's/day's Yanivery. Focus on keeping it short, bare bones, but link to the post numbers where the key stuff appears.

Before posting the new summary, the vol pastes in the previous summary and moves that previous summary's points into a spoiler from the old post that contains all previous summaries. The new summary rides above the spoiler like this:

Update
February 30
- says ------- #19,206
- seen ------ #19,225, #19,229
- filed ------ #19,333, document

Spoiler: past updates

2020
February 29
- says ------- #18,974
- seen ------ #18,982
- files ------ #18,998

February 28
- says ------- #18,523, #18,625
- seen ------ #18,573
- files ------ #18,588
.
.
.
Yes, I made fake links just for you.

The vols would need to coordinate with each other so someone's always preparing the next update, collecting the treasures and ready to post at the appointed time.

First side benefit: The kiwi keeping the OP current can mine the updates for appropriate stuff to add to the OP.

Second side benefit: We have a timeline to refer to for many purposes.

I can't volunteer for this right now because I'm finishing an OP for another cow, but I thought someone here might find the idea workable.

If you're reading this thread nearly every day, you're already doing most of the work that preparing an update would entail. Compile as you read, weed out, make surviving entries a little more concise and a little clearer, paste in the old summaries, post.

I'll take this on.

I'll post today's summary later tonight (so like in twelve hours or so). If I can get through it quickly, then I'll start working my way backwards from there.