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I dunno, doesn't a janitor have to touch the feces?
I certainly hope that in addition to not evading the ban that you definitely didn't get for breaking the site rules on poop touching, you aren't also now not mocking the forum moderators about it. Of course, I'm sure you would never because you're definitely not Henry Case. You're far to clever.
 
*Yes, I know Mr. Axemurderer was totally insane. I’m not saying he should have been put on deathrow either or anything like that. But a say, 10 year jail sentence followed by an NCRMD sentence would have better reflected the severity of the crime and satisfied the public expectation of justice.

I don't know if Canadian prisons are better at the whole mental health thing than ones here, but sounds like a mental hospital was exactly where they needed to be if they were acutely unwell at the time they beheaded someone on a bus.
 
I don't know if Canadian prisons are better at the whole mental health thing than ones here, but sounds like a mental hospital was exactly where they needed to be if they were acutely unwell at the time they beheaded someone on a bus.
I don't know anything about the American system but in Canada there are "forensic wards" for these people. They are locked up and police man the doors. It's not the same as being a regular mental patient. You are, in fact, locked up. I think there's a lot of misinformation about how it works when you get convicted of a crime but you're mentally ill.
 
I don't know if Canadian prisons are better at the whole mental health thing than ones here, but sounds like a mental hospital was exactly where they needed to be if they were acutely unwell at the time they beheaded someone on a bus.

The problem with the 'not criminally responsible' judgement is that it allows the state to do this

1) Criminal is found NCR and sent for treatment
2) Treatment is expensive and mad people may well appear sane if they're watched 24/7 and forced to take their meds
3) The doctors, for whatever reason decide they're sane enough to be released
4) They get released. At this point they're not watched 24/7 and don't take their meds
5) They change their name and slip off the radar

If people just went to prison for 10 years it would cost the state more but at least they're off the streets and not able to kill anyone outside prison.

It's typical technocratic bollocks to be honest. I remember when this 4) happened and pointing it out to Canadians and them saying 'Well you're not a mental health expert, I'm sure the experts know what they're doing when they said he was safe to release'. The implication being that criminal justice policy is best left to experts, even when those experts release someone like Vincent Li after a couple of years pronouncing them 'cured'.

And like the gender self ID laws it's all very exploitable by psychopaths. E.g. murder someone while acting conspicuously crazy, then act conspicuously sane when in mental hospital, get out, change your name and you're off scott free. It's also worth pointing out there are mental illnesses which have been described as 'the quintessence of evil' and are at present incurable and untreatable. I.e. people with them are much better described as 'bad' rather than 'mad'. But we have public intellectuals like Sam Harris, who really ought to know better, claiming that all evil is caused by sickness and a sufficiently advanced mental health system should be able to treat it. Even if you believe that is the case, our mental health system is not sufficiently advanced and we have no idea how to treat things like malignant narcissism.

IMO, and it's probably controversial, a medical treatment for things like malignant narcissism raises 'Clockwork Orange' like questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(novel)#Title

In a prefatory note to A Clockwork Orange: A Play with Music, he wrote that the title was a metaphor for "an organic entity, full of juice and sweetness and agreeable odour, being turned into a mechanism."[17]

Alex, the antihero of 'A Clockwork Orange' was a horrible psychopath before his treatment, but that doesn't necessarily mean his treatment is something we should approve of. Burgess, who was a Catholic, most certainly did not. Messing with free will touches on things like theodicy.

It could be argued that in a liberal society prison should be used to punish people for acts they commit, not try to reach into their head and take away the choice to commit those acts. The notion that there are 'no bad people, only mad people' is simultaneously too liberal and not liberal enough because it makes us strive for something like the Ludovico technique of 'A Clockwork Orange' which can reach into peoples' heads and take away their choice to be evil. That really does open up a can of worms. What if the state decide to punish people for 'hate crimes' with a similarly invasive technique?

The Soviet Union famously classified dissidents as 'mentally ill' but at that point the primitive state of psychiatry meant that there was no treatment for not approving of Marxism Leninism. A society like the USSR but with access to cures for things like malignant narcissism would surely be tempted to use it on political dissidents. Even in the formerly liberal West there is an increasing tendency to classify disagreements with conventional wisdom as 'phobias' and to criminalise them. When you get sentenced for hate crime in a future UK, you may well end up being 'treated' in hospital rather than simply punished by prison. Give me prison over hospital any day!
 
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Maybe one of the parlors he went to served him a dick stabbing on the house.
Honestly, Yaniv's whole fucking existence feels a bit fishy to me. I know I absolutely look like the people who thought CWC is a troll back when he first came into public light, but this is such a perfect shitstorm of exceptionality hated by both sides of the political spectrum, I can't help but wonder if it's not naturally-occuring, but instead man-made, artificial.

No, he's very real. I've seen him around in the past, although as a man and walking just fucking fine. No, he's real. And his history of being a mediocre student politician, failed cable installer, and failed techsite operator and tech consulting guru is well established.
 
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The problem with the 'not criminally responsible' judgement is that it allows the state to do this

1) Criminal is found NCR and sent for treatment
2) Treatment is expensive and mad people may well appear sane if they're watched 24/7 and forced to take their meds
3) The doctors, for whatever reason decide they're sane enough to be released
4) They get released. At this point they're not watched 24/7 and don't take their meds
5) They change their name and slip off the radar

If people just went to prison for 10 years it would cost the state more but at least they're off the streets and not able to kill anyone outside prison.

It's typical technocratic bollocks to be honest. I remember when this 4) happened and pointing it out to Canadians and them saying 'Well you're not a mental health expert, I'm sure the experts know what they're doing when they said he was safe to release'. The implication being that criminal justice policy is best left to experts, even when those experts release someone like Vincent Li after a couple of years pronouncing them 'cured'.

And like the gender self ID laws it's all very exploitable by psychopaths. E.g. murder someone while acting conspicuously crazy, then act conspicuously sane when in mental hospital, get out, change your name and you're off scott free. It's also worth pointing out there are mental illnesses which have been described as 'the quintessence of evil' and are at present incurable and untreatable. I.e. people with them are much better described as 'bad' rather than 'mad'. But we have public intellectuals like Sam Harris, who really ought to know better, claiming that all evil is caused by sickness and a sufficiently advanced mental health system should be able to treat it. Even if you believe that is the case, our mental health system is not sufficiently advanced and we have no idea how to treat things like malignant narcissism.

IMO, and it's probably controversial, a medical treatment for things like malignant narcissism raises 'Clockwork Orange' like questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(novel)#Title



Alex, the antihero of 'A Clockwork Orange' was a horrible psychopath before his treatment, but that doesn't necessarily mean his treatment is something we should approve of. Burgess, who was a Catholic, most certainly did not. Messing with free will touches on things like theodicy.

It could be argued that in a liberal society prison should be used to punish people for acts they commit, not try to reach into their head and take away the choice to commit those acts. The notion that there are 'no bad people, only mad people' is simultaneously too liberal and not liberal enough because it makes us strive for something like the Ludovico technique of 'A Clockwork Orange' which can reach into peoples' heads and take away their choice to be evil. That really does open up a can of worms. What if the state decide to punish people for 'hate crimes' with a similarly invasive technique?

The Soviet Union famously classified dissidents as 'mentally ill' but at that point the primitive state of psychiatry meant that there was no treatment for not approving of Marxism Leninism. A society like the USSR but with access to cures for things like malignant narcissism would surely be tempted to use it on political dissidents. Even in the formerly liberal West there is an increasing tendency to classify disagreements with conventional wisdom as 'phobias' and to criminalise them. When you get sentenced for hate crime in a future UK, you may well end up being 'treated' in hospital rather than simply punished by prison. Give me prison over hospital any day!
This is an interesting comment. A lot of good points here. I feel this issue is rather nuanced and doesn't have a really clear answer one way or the other. It could be counterargued that either way, sane or crazy, punishments generally end. Please understand that forensic wards of mental health institutions are, in fact, locked wards with police presence. They aren't free to run around the streets. They're locked up with supervised outdoor time same as they would get in prison. Unless they're on death row, and jurisdictions that have a death penalty often don't exercise it against those with mental illnesses, eventually the criminal is going to be released. I would rather that if the person committed the crime because they were off thier rocker schizophrenic that they be treated and watched carefully before release. There isn't anything stopping anyone from reoffending upon release really. Once you've paid your time, that's it. Unless you're on a sex offender registry but that too is applied to all sex offenders regardless of mental health status.

Edit: it should be noted that there is no "sentence" of a specific time when you are deemed NCR (not criminally responsible). You are reassessed on an ongoing basis and theoretically could never be released. Violent criminals have far more restrictive rules, like only being reassessed every three years. In this way, it's actually safer for the public than if the criminal is found responsible and given a regular sentence. In that case, after your time is served, you're free to go with no restrictions.

 
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My point still stands. The guy decapitated some rando, cannibalized his corpse and never saw the inside of a jail.*

And he was allowed to go out for walks and later daytrips after the first year or two.

So call me sceptical when it comes to the prospect of official Canada giving a brave LGBT activist and trans woman any kind of punishment.

It’s bizarre how much freedom Li was given during his incarceration and after his release. Zero monitoring, zero required medication, name change. Nothing.

And with self ID criminals are given another chance to seemingly wipe away their previous names and identities in spite of serious crimes and convictions. Granted Jon has nothing on record, unlike Vince Li, but then you’ve got a serial pedo like Matthew “Madilyn” Harks. The guy has three convictions for molesting girls under the age of 8, and the law just lets him... change his name? Same for that baby raper Adam “Tara Desousa” Laboucan. And Leanne Teale aka Karla Homolka.

Though name changes are done at the provincal level, sex offenders like Harks and Homolka (who isn’t even on the registry) can still get these changes made; the only requirement is notifying the police of the change. So should Jonny find himself down the road with a few convictions under his belt, anonymity is just a few sheets of paperwork away.

And lol the number three google hit for “name change felony conviction” is from Trans Lifeline. Not that most states are any better, but at least 32 states have either laws or safeguards that keep sex offenders from changing their names.
 
Jessica's Tweeting about how he got an ambulance ride from Harrison. Two trips in two days huh. And they don't even do tests on him. Note too that he's using a generic dog pic to shield his dog from hate speech.


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This is an interesting comment. A lot of good points here. I feel this issue is rather nuanced and doesn't have a really clear answer one way or the other. It could be counterargued that either way, sane or crazy, punishments generally end. Please understand that forensic wards of mental health institutions are, in fact, locked wards with police presence. They aren't free to run around the streets. They're locked up with supervised outdoor time same as they would get in prison.

You can see the timeline for Vince Li here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean#Aftermath

2008 : Killed Tim McLean
2010 : supervised outdoor walks within his mental health facility
2012 : granted temporary passes that would allow him out of the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for visits to the town of Selkirk, supervised by a nurse and peace officer
2014 : unsupervised visits to Selkirk, starting at 30 minutes and expanding to full-day trips. Since 2013, he had been allowed to have supervised visits to Lockport, Winnipeg, and nearby beaches.
2015 : unsupervised day passes to visit Winnipeg so long as he carried a functioning cellular telephone while using them
2016 : it was reported that Li had legally changed his name and was seeking to leave his group home to live independently.[36] He won the right to live alone in February 26 upon the recommendation of the Criminal Code Review Board
2017 : Manitoba Criminal Code Review Board ordered Li be discharged. Li was granted an absolute discharge. There will be no legal obligations or restrictions pertaining to Li's independent living.

HuffPo reports he was granted the right to live on his own in 2016 having been transferred to a group home the previous year

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/...-to-eventually-live-on-his-own_n_9321924.html

He won the right to leave the hospital and live in a group home last year.

Supporters say Baker and other people deemed not criminally responsible for their actions deserve the right to rehabilitation and freedom. But opponents, including some politicians and McLean's mother, have opposed the board granting Baker increasing freedom.

"The Crown has the ability to view Will Baker ... as a designated high-risk not criminally responsible person, but they have chosen not to," Conservative MP James Bezan wrote in a statement this week.

"They have blatantly ignored the rights of the victim’s family, and compromised the public safety of our community in (their) decision."

Now if you compare that to a typical life sentence where you spend more time in prison

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Canada#Mandatory_life_sentence ...

High treason and first degree murder carry a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment with a full parole ineligibility period of 25 years. Previously, in the case of high treason or first-degree murder (where the offender has been convicted of a single murder) offenders could have their parole ineligibility period reduced to no less than 15 years under the Faint hope clause. However, this option under the Criminal Code was ended by Act of Parliament, effective in December, 2011.

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While life sentences are rare in non-murder cases, the courts may apply a dangerous offender designation in cases involving serious violent or sexual offences. Such a designation results in an indeterminate sentence with no maximum limit, but a parole review occurs after 7 years and every 2 years after that.

... it's clear that Li got off with less time than if he'd been convicted of first degree murder or labelled a dangerous offender.
 
Jessica's Tweeting about how he got an ambulance ride from Harrison. Two trips in two days huh. And they don't even do tests on him. Note too that he's using a generic dog pic to shield his dog from hate speech.


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He sounds disappointed a new health issue wasn't found, poor love, but euphoric he had the lights and sirens going full pelt.

No tests = nowt wrong with ya. Twonk.
 
He sounds disappointed a new health issue wasn't found, poor love, but euphoric he had the lights and sirens going full pelt.

Not content with trying to force women to wax his non existent vagina he wants medical professionals to do tests to treat his non existent illnesses and provide him with a mobility scooter even though he can obviously walk. And for all social media companies to ban anyone who points out what a nutcase he is.

How will Canada cope if such a productive member of society decides to leave the country with his Mum?
 
Johnny having a meltdown at other other languages existing is truly magical. No only is he racist, but he doesn't understand that some immigrants maybe be able to speak English pretty fluently but have little to no ability reading it. Plus I'm pretty sure those machines must have a language option, So why are you complaining again?
Even hospital VISITS in the US don't cost $1000, what is wrong with you.
 
I was an extremely liberal person until I encountered this man. The fiasco over him forcing women to shave his balls has been the straw that broke the camel's back I'm afraid.

It is clear that society has gone way too far in terms of tolerance. People like this man demonstrate that transgenderism is a disease. The change in diagnostic criteria has come about not through more scientific discoveries, but by the agendas of politicians and institutions that pine to a weakened and sick populace.

Now the civil liberties of decent human beings are being threatened by the superlative 'rights' of a man who wants to dress as a woman. In my home country, I would likely be arrested for 'hate crimes' for sharing such an opinion (good luck, I'm behind seven proxies!) so I thank Allah for KF's anonymity.

Get this man in electroshock therapy and a room in the sanitarium right away.
 
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Jesus wept, on another racist rant. Must have been a dark-skinned doctor who discharged him, twice.

I find it laughable him criticising others when his own immigrant mother's English is barely comprehensible. Go on fat boy, dare you to take them to court.
 
Jessica's Tweeting about how he got an ambulance ride from Harrison. Two trips in two days huh. And they don't even do tests on him. Note too that he's using a generic dog pic to shield his dog from hate speech.


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What no re-used photo of a previous admission band? No selfie while hooked up with a cannula? Such poor munching, Johnny could learn a thing or two by branching out from only reading his own KF threads.
 
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