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Filmmaker Joss Whedon has broken his silence on the multiple allegations of misconduct against him from productions he oversaw, including the 2017 film “Justice League” and his influential TV series “Buffy the Vampire Slayer.”

In a lengthy interview with New York magazine that published on Monday, Whedon denied Gal Gadot’s allegation that he “threatened” her career while working on “Justice League,” which Whedon took over after original director Zack Snyder withdrew from the film following a family tragedy.

“I don’t threaten people. Who does that?” Whedon told New York. “English is not her first language, and I tend to be annoyingly flowery in my speech.” Whedon said he told Gadot that she would have to tie his body to a railroad track before he would cut a scene she wanted removed and that Gadot misunderstood as Whedon threatening to tie her to a track instead. Gadot’s response in the story: “I understood perfectly.”

Whedon is less forgiving in his assessment of Ray Fisher. The actor’s July 2020 allegation that Whedon’s behavior making “Justice League” was “gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable” was the spark that led to the collapse of Whedon’s career. In December 2020, Warner Bros. said an investigation into Fisher’s claims resulted in unspecified “remedial action” — weeks after HBO said Whedon was withdrawing as executive producer of “The Nevers.”

Fisher also alleged in a Forbes interview from October that he was told Whedon had lightened an actor of color’s complexion in “Justice League” because he didn’t like the skin tone — which Forbes later retracted. In an interview with the Hollywood Reporter published April 2021, after the release of Snyder’s four-hour cut of “Justice League” on HBO Max, Fisher alleged that when he tried to express his concerns about the reduction of his character, Cyborg, in Whedon’s two-hour version of the movie, Whedon told him, “It feels like I’m taking notes right now, and I don’t like taking notes from anybody — not even Robert Downey Jr.”

To New York, Whedon says he had brightened the entire movie, including all the actors’ faces, and that he talked with Fisher for hours about his changes. He says he significantly cut down Fisher’s screen time because Cyborg’s storyline “logically made no sense” and that Fisher’s performance was lacking. He denied Fisher’s allegations, saying none were “true or merited discussing.” Instead, Whedon claimed that Fisher’s actions were done in bad faith, meant to sully Whedon’s reputation to reconstitute Snyder’s in advance of the release of the Snyder cut.

“We’re talking about a malevolent force,” Whedon said. “We’re talking about a bad actor in both senses.”

Representatives for Fisher did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Variety. However, Fisher directly acknowledged and refuted Whedon’s new statements through his official Twitter late Monday morning.

“Looks like Joss Whedon got to direct an endgame after…” Fisher wrote. “Rather than address all of the lies and buffoonery today — I will be celebrating the legacy of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Tomorrow the work continues.”

Fisher’s allegations were followed in February 2021 by actor Charisma Carpenter’s allegation that Whedon was “casually cruel” to her while making “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” and its spin-off series “Angel,” including calling her fat after she became pregnant and asking her if she was “going to keep it.” Several other actors on those shows, including Sarah Michelle Gellar, David Boreanaz, and Eliza Dushku, expressed support for Carpenter, and a subsequent investigation by Variety backed the actor’s story. Multiple people who worked on both shows said Whedon created a “cult of personality” and that he behaved with scorn and disparagement to employees who displeased him. A person with direct knowledge of production on “Buffy” corroborated to Variety Michelle Trachtenberg’s claim on Instagram that there was a “rule” she could not be alone with Whedon.

Whedon told New York he was “not mannerly” with Carpenter when she told him she was pregnant, but he denied ever calling her fat. “Most of my experiences with Charisma were delightful and charming,” Whedon said. “She struggled sometimes with her lines, but nobody could hit a punch line harder than her.”

As for Trachtenberg’s allegation, Whedon said he had no idea what that was about.

The New York story also contains several new allegations of workplace misconduct by Whedon. A member of the “Buffy” production team claimed that Whedon and one of the show’s actors were rolling around on the floor in her office making out, banging against her chair.

Whedon admitted the affair with the actor, but said the story “seems false” because he “lived in terror” that his affairs would be discovered.

“Buffy” costume designer Cynthia Bergstrom said that during Season 5 of the show, she Whedon and Gellar had a dispute over a costume in front of her. “I was like, ‘Joss, let’s just get her dressed,'” Bergstrom said. “He grabbed my arm and dug in his fingers until his fingernails imprinted the skin and I said, ‘You’re hurting me.'”

Whedon said he does not “believe” Bergstrom’s story: “I know I would get angry, but I was never physical with people.”

And Erin Shade, who worked as an assistant on the ABC series “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,” which Whedon co-created, said that Whedon engaged her in a secret relationship when she was 23 and he was 49, including paying her $2,500 to watch him write at his home over the weekend, so long as she hid the relationship from her bosses.

Whedon said he “should have handled the situation better.”
 
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When one person calls you an asshole, that's just hearsay. When several people call you an asshole, then it becomes debatable. When many people in your 20 year+ career calls you an asshole, well then it's just fact.

Anon on /tv/ pointed this out from the Vulture interview.
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Joss Whedon literally got a child killed. And he reflects upon this by doing a hammy Vincent Price impression. Joss is straight up mentally FUCKED in the head.
In like 5 years it’ll come out that he held the kid under or something with his track record.
 
I can believe the bit where he brightened the movie, and the cyborg actor, salty about having his scenes cut, claimed his skin was being brightened, it's right amount of dumb to come from a woke jogger.

Also the lack of specificity with "threats", seems to happen with people who want to lie to join in on a canceling dogpile, but don't want the legal liability of making up something specific.

That being said, Joss Whedon likes cancel culture, and this is how cancel culture works, it's only fair that he gets his turn.
 
"I fucked actresses in exchange for roles and treated everyone around me like shit, why are people dogpiling me? I know, I'll give an interview where I sound like an even bigger asshole and admit to doing most of what I was accused of. That'll surely restore my status in Hollywood and then the studios will throw huge amounts of money at me so I can go back to making my shitty movies with my trademark shitty, snarky dialogue and treating everyone around me like shit while having coercive sex with starlets."

"Also, some kid died around me when I was a kid and I'm going to nonchalantly mention it for no real reason."
 
When one person calls you an asshole, that's just hearsay. When several people call you an asshole, then it becomes debatable. When many people in your 20 year+ career calls you an asshole, well then it's just fact.
I don't ever buy this. Several people can conspire to tank someone's reputation, and the mere shared desire to badmouth is as effective as active conspiracy. On the other hand, several people can refuse to call things as they see it, or they may not even be able to perceive that thing and are thus unable to call what may be the truth. In either kind of circumstance, people can be influenced by the viewpoints of others to see merit or demerit where there is none.

Ultimately, nobody can propose a convincing minimum of people that need to say a thing before that thing is somehow "just fact" because it assumes that the extent of the value of such people is their allegations.

Testimony is good as a first cause for further investigation or circumstantial evidence, leveraged with direct evidence. That said, I reckon everyone involved here is a jerk on some level and this is a conga line of backstabbing. It's Hollywood, after all.
 
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I don't ever buy this. Several people can conspire to tank someone's reputation, and the mere shared desire to badmouth is as effective as active conspiracy. On the other hand, several people can refuse to call things as they see it, or they may not even be able to perceive that thing and are thus unable to call what may be the truth. In either kind of circumstance, people can be influenced by the viewpoints of others to see merit or demerit where there is none.

Typically in Twitter cancelling dogpiles, there will be some amount of people joining into the allegations, despite never being at the event / meeting the person / working at the same company, only to get individually exposed in the replies.

Whether it's to grab a piece of clout or just attention, theres an incentive for people to jump in with lies to join the dogpile as one of the victims.

I think its just an inherit part of cancel culture, some people join to be crusaders, others to be victims.
 
"I fucked actresses in exchange for roles and treated everyone around me like shit, why are people dogpiling me? I know, I'll give an interview where I sound like an even bigger asshole and admit to doing most of what I was accused of. That'll surely restore my status in Hollywood and then the studios will throw huge amounts of money at me so I can go back to making my shitty movies with my trademark shitty, snarky dialogue and treating everyone around me like shit while having coercive sex with starlets."

"Also, some kid died around me when I was a kid and I'm going to nonchalantly mention it for no real reason."
So did we ever find out who the actresses in question were? I want to know if he blew it all on z-list background actresses so I can laugh all the more at him. Also, what are we calling the clear Cluster B behavior, Pathological Narcissism or Sociopathy? The kid in the pond story makes me want to put money on Sociopathy.
 
Whedon's crash and burn is one of the more satisfying falls from grace to witness. He spent years making TV shows where he could hire pretty young women so he could screw them, then played the role of sanctimonious male feminist to the whole world. He wrote TV shows and movies where pretty girls beat up the bullies from his past, pretending that macho alpha males are the real villains instead of wimpy little male feminists who go around begging for just a scrap of pussy, m'lady. Just an oily little creep whose work I have never cared for.
 
Among other Whedon related thoughts of mine, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the first media I remember that developed a truly obnoxious nerd community around it, even before Harry Potter. Many of the tropes we now associate with capeshit media were seen in it, the non-stop zingers and "ok, I guess THAT happened" style dialogue, the "secret king" concept where a bunch of unpopular nerds turn out to be the saviors of humanity, etc.

Now, what was really frustrating were the tributes or analyses that treated this mediocre TV show as if it was heartbreaking work of staggering genius. A few episodes had some sort of special focus that nerds would just salivate over and proclaim as True Art: one episode had a demon steal everyone's voices so they mimed their way through it, another had Buffy discover her mom died of a stroke that somehow was the most realistic depiction of death and grief ever on screen, another was a musical with all of the cast singing their lines. These were deeply mediocre products like all capeshit, yet you still run into people who solemnly talk about the importance of BtVS.
 
Among other Whedon related thoughts of mine, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the first media I remember that developed a truly obnoxious nerd community around it, even before Harry Potter. Many of the tropes we now associate with capeshit media were seen in it, the non-stop zingers and "ok, I guess THAT happened" style dialogue, the "secret king" concept where a bunch of unpopular nerds turn out to be the saviors of humanity, etc.

Now, what was really frustrating were the tributes or analyses that treated this mediocre TV show as if it was heartbreaking work of staggering genius. A few episodes had some sort of special focus that nerds would just salivate over and proclaim as True Art: one episode had a demon steal everyone's voices so they mimed their way through it, another had Buffy discover her mom died of a stroke that somehow was the most realistic depiction of death and grief ever on screen, another was a musical with all of the cast singing their lines. These were deeply mediocre products like all capeshit, yet you still run into people who solemnly talk about the importance of BtVS.
At least a generation of writers were destroyed by whedon
 
Many of the tropes we now associate with capeshit media were seen in it, the non-stop zingers and "ok, I guess THAT happened" style dialogue, the "secret king" concept where a bunch of unpopular nerds turn out to be the saviors of humanity, etc.
For Buffy, it made sense in context because the Slayer is randomly chosen and Buffy happened to be in school. In her original school, she had no friends and was rather lonely. After she moves to Sunnydale and meets Willow and Xander, they joined her because they first became friends and Buffy accepted them because they were nice people and chose them over the popular crowd. Also, at first, they were useless: Willow started learned magic and Xander slowly became helpful. It's cliché, but it's better developed that most media that Whedon later inspired.
 
Reminder that Whedon was seen as a feminst icon before.
always make me chuckle.
It's another one of those funny moments when woke-ism collides with reality. Like when you find out Tyrone didn't loot Target to strike at white supremacy like Professor Goldstein explained, he just wanted free stuff.

Similarly, Joss Whedon wasn't actually battling the patriarchy all this while, he just had fetishes for teenage girls, fem dom, and lesbians.

Other than murdering a child when he was a kid, what exactly did he do wrong again? Gal Gadot was scared he was going to tie her to a train track, and some racist jogger is buttmad that his gay part got cut down? OMG, put him in prison!
Yeah, here's a handy rape-prevention tip for young actresses: if a doughy television director in a fedora tells you to suck his dick for money, you tell him *no*. There you go, rape averted.

the "secret king" concept where a bunch of unpopular nerds turn out to be the saviors of humanity, etc.
Might be notable that Buffy had evil toxic misogynist nerds as villains years before gamergate. The show made a clear distinction between good nerds and evil nerds.
 
When one person calls you an asshole, that's just hearsay. When several people call you an asshole, then it becomes debatable. When many people in your 20 year+ career calls you an asshole, well then it's just fact.

Anon on /tv/ pointed this out from the Vulture interview.
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Joss Whedon literally got a child killed. And he reflects upon this by doing a hammy Vincent Price impression. Joss is straight up mentally FUCKED in the head.
This really calls for the horrifying rating
 
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Reminder that Whedon was seen as a feminst icon before.
always make me chuckle.
One of the things I found interesting was that even during that period a fair number of proto-woke types still hated him just because they didn't like a man getting praise for being a feminist.

It was an early version of, 'Nothing is ever good enough for these people'. I'm certain they had no idea he was as much of an asshole as he is, just as I'm certain they're pretending now that they 'could just tell'. They were, and are, merely miserable contrarians who are why the 'just let people enjoy things' meme exists.

They didn't dislike him because he was a bad person, they disliked him so he must be a bad person. None of them at the time thought he was anything like who he turned out to be, it was just generic 'speaking over women's voices' and 'not being a good enough ally' crap of your typical SJW circular firing squad.

Whedon fangirls were completely insufferable in that obsessive, bleeds over to real life way. But the people who had to make sure everyone knew how much they hated him weren't trolls or even Kiwi-types, it was other fangirls who felt left out and couldn't just say, 'good for you, not for me'. Women like pastured lolcow Nora Reed would have been the main types to do this, who hate nearly everything. They only have a decent vindication rate because the men they exclusively associate with are soy-filled male feminists of the sort that always end up being predatory.
 
I've still got a soft spot for a lot of Whedon's stuff. Dollhouse was the one where a friend told me about it and I pointed out that it sounded incredibly dodgy and nothing I saw of it changed that. Every episode left me with the desire to scrub myself with a wire brush.

About the only thing I have a degree of disbelief about is the "Whedon deliberately lightened my skin because he's racist!" As near as I can tell the whole movie got lightened so while I am sympathetic to a black actor who would find it more noticeable I don't think that is on Whedon.

On the other hand seeing a reasonably famous "male feminist" destroyed like this warms my heart because he won't be the last.
 
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