Joss Whedon returns to HBO with new series The Nevers

[Maggots on a Train]

Gang of Victorian woman. Yeah. Count me out. I can almost 100 percent guarantee they'll all sound modern and have modern sensibilities where they rail against injustices and inequality and a bunch of other shit Victorian woman didn't do. They love rewriting history.

I'll just stick to the many many Victorian crime dramas that are well written.

Exactly. It will have less ideological subtlety than an episode of Touched by an Angel, and every character will sound like a teenager from a 1994 comedy.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I admit I liked Buffy, and I never saw Firefly, so I can't tell if that's actually good or over-hyped because it's got Whedon's name attached to it.

But most of his other works are awful.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I never saw Firefly, so I can't tell if that's actually good or over-hyped because it's got Whedon's name attached to it.

It's both.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

This is the most Joss Whedon show ever. It's just a mishmash of every annoying whedonism from all his previous shows and despite having a similar budget to Game of Thrones still looks like cheap shit filmed in Canada for the syfy channel.

 

[Miller]

Since they've removed Whedon, who is the new showrunner? The booger-eater feminist?

 

[Goodbye Horses]

Since they've removed Whedon, who is the new showrunner? The booger-eater feminist?

Philippa Goslett, whoever the fuck she is. Her IMDB is rather short to be a showrunner, so I suspect she's just a chair warmer and unless the show unexpectedly does huge numbers it's already cancelled and nobody else wanted to put their name to that.

 

[Miller]

Philippa Goslett, whoever the fuck she is. Her IMDB is rather short to be a showrunner, so I suspect she's just a chair warmer and unless the show unexpectedly does huge numbers it's already cancelled and nobody else wanted to put their name to that.

Her main credit is for writing a glorified fanfic about a young Salvador Dali.
I see that Jane Espenson is one of the writers and producers too, weird that he didn't give her the showrunner seat.

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[Goodbye Horses]

Her main credit is for writing a glorified fanfic about a young Salvador Dali.
I see that Jane Espenson is one of the writers and producers too, weird that he didn't give her the showrunner seat.

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Jane Espenson has a reputation for taking over successful shows and franchises and running them into the ground. She got fired from Caprica mid way through it's first and only season because it was so shit it killed BSG as a going concern, and then took over Once Upon a Time, which at the time was ABCs highest rated drama, and managed to drop the rating from roughly 3.8 to 0.9 over the course of three years before most of the cast abandoned ship and it was cancelled. No matter who her friends are the money-men aren't going to let her have another showrunner slot.

 

[Miller]

She got fired from Caprica mid way through it's first and only season because it was so shit it killed BSG as a going concern,

I know, I was pissed off when I heard that Moore hired her in mid-season 4 and then to lead Caprica. Her schtick is to create gay characters and stories in a Whedon framework, she completely forgot that she was writing for a Battlestar Galactica production. I know Caprica was planned as a family drama but people like Mark Verheiden or Weddle & Thompson could have done a much better job.

 

[jorgoth]

I've watched 2.5 episodes so far, not terrible, but not terribly interesting, either. Keep in mind that in the last 10-20 years we've had 2 breakout Sherlock Holmes movies, a breakout Sherlock Holmes BBC series, the popularization of Doctor Who (Sherlock Holmes in space), like 10 X-Men movies, Umbrella Academy, Penny Dreadful, and Neverwhere. Anybody who's seen at least a few of these (probably 99% of the people who will bother watching Nevers) will find this to be unbearably familiar.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Jane Espenson has a reputation for taking over successful shows and franchises and running them into the ground. She got fired from Caprica mid way through it's first and only season because it was so shit it killed BSG as a going concern,

Wtf was Caprica about anyway? I liked BSG and stuck with it through the increasingly dumb plot twists and laughable ending, but couldn't even make it through the first episode of Caprica.

Something about Eric Stoltz being depressed and moody as usual, and YA teen drama shit starring discount Zooey Deschanel and some leftover 2edgy "topical" script treatments from the Bush era?

Oh yeah, and virtual reality. Virtual reality has never not been cringe in TV and film outside the first Matrix or the TNG holodeck. You're already watching make believe, it doesn't need another layer of artifice to remind you that none of this is real or important.

BSG had bitter, depressed assholes fighting space robots and wrecking shit, but based on 25 minutes I'll never get back Caprica was just bitter, depressed assholes being assholishly depressed and bitter.

The only good thing I can say about it is it was made in the olden days circa 2009 so the Cylons didn't turn out to be polygendered rainbow cyber-dildos twerking about racism or something.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Gang of Victorian woman. Yeah. Count me out. I can almost 100 percent guarantee they'll all sound modern and have modern sensibilities where they rail against injustices and inequality and a bunch of other shit Victorian woman didn't do. They love rewriting history.

I'll just stick to the many many Victorian crime dramas that are well written.

It's hilarious how people have just rolled over and accepted Orwellian rewriting of history, yeah it's fiction, but they want you to think it's reality, it's like the Battlefield V controversy, people got butthurt about others simply pointing out it isn't historically accurate.

The Woke want such absolute hegemony over everything that it even extends to the past.

 

[knightlautrec]

It's hilarious how people have just rolled over and accepted Orwellian rewriting of history, yeah it's fiction, but they want you to think it's reality, it's like the Battlefield V controversy, people got butthurt about others simply pointing out it isn't historically accurate.

The Woke want such absolute hegemony over everything that it even extends to the past.

Whenever I point out all this weird black and Asian washing in recent historical dramas like Bridgerton, that new Anne Boleyn thing and stuff, people keep going 'well its not real history! Blahblahblah it's just a TV show/movie! And it doesn't hurt you by having black people in it in stations where they werent yadda yadda yadda'

And I, as a half black person, go 'Well actually it sort of does hurt me tangentially'. It's not giving me any sort of actual history of black people in these European countries. It's just giving some hardwaved sanitised version of the history rather than the truth and ironically, seems rather racist to just slot blacks and asians into upper class roles without any sort of regard for circumstances or different life experiences. 'Every character is just the same boring person who can be slotted in with just any actor herp a derp'

It bothers me because this isn't how good writing or characters happen. Your background and your past dictate your upbringing and values and how you behave. Skin colour and heritage is not just visual window dressing or a cheat code for instant diversity and wokeness.

You know, a good show that had a very good black character set in a historical alternative world was the adaption of Jonthan Strange and Mister Norrel. Accurate despite the magic, gave the audience his history and made him sympathetic and a key lynchpin to the plot. There are good ways of presenting non white people in historical dramas but the current wave of this woke shit? Isn't doing it correctly at all.

 

[jorgoth]

Obviously there is an agenda, and blackwashing history maybe starts in entertainment but inevitably makes its way into "actual" history.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

There are good ways of presenting non white people in historical dramas but the current wave of this woke shit? Isn't doing it correctly at all.

Carnival Row actually did this pretty well considering the kind of show it is. Take all the fairy bollocks out of it and one of the stories is about a black guy that made a fortune hunting runaway slaves and is now trying to fit in to high society, with fairly predictable results.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The thing I don't get is that, doesn't inserting black people into historical settings like Britain during its span as empire go against the whole woke point of "white people are the cause of colonialism and everything bad with the west"?

In general there's a weird attempt in media to have it both ways so niggers are powerful and powerless. Like Slavery is the cause of the USA being successful economically, but it's also a wasteful and inefficient.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

"a gang of Victorian women"

Lol

 

[jorgoth]

Okay so I sat through all 6 episodes and while I think the show MAY go somewhere interesting everything is so unfocused. Part of me thinks that now that all the cards are on the table, the show might be more focused than before, but mostly I think adding time travel and aliens and body-switching into the mix can't possibly make things more comprehensible.

The whole sequence with Molly pre-suicide contrasted with Zephyr in the insane asylum was, to me, obviously about emphasizing just how dreary life was before feminism, and contrasting her with Zephyr, who is SO COOL AND EMPOWERED SHE BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE TALKS LIKE BUFFY AND FUCKS BLACK DUDES ISN'T SHE SO COOL

 

[LordofTendons]

Okay so I sat through all 6 episodes and while I think the show MAY go somewhere interesting everything is so unfocused. Part of me thinks that now that all the cards are on the table, the show might be more focused than before, but mostly I think adding time travel and aliens and body-switching into the mix can't possibly make things more comprehensible.

The whole sequence with Molly pre-suicide contrasted with Zephyr in the insane asylum was, to me, obviously about emphasizing just how dreary life was before feminism, and contrasting her with Zephyr, who is SO COOL AND EMPOWERED SHE BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE TALKS LIKE BUFFY AND FUCKS BLACK DUDES ISN'T SHE SO COOL

She kind of looked like Sarah Michelle Gellar at times to me as well, but maybe that's just me.

I watch these things while I'm doing other stuff, so I probably miss things, but to me that whole 6th episode didn't make any sense. To me it doesn't matter why Molly killed herself if someone or something else is occupying her body now. Does the thing remember that past? I don't get that whole future scene with Claudia Black, either. I don't know what it's setting up, and I don't care. I was more interested in the hanging and what happened after that. If I had been watching this week to week, I would have rage quit the show after something like this.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Ok...how long till it gets fucked over by the network and canned.