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[Local Farmer]

Please Pray for me and my family, I’ve had to many bad fucking days and desperately need a win

 

[Zacaria's Hours]

I did hear that the Santa Muerte shit might have been a secret holdover of the old barbaric Aztec Paganism shit, but I don't know if that's a fact.

It's not, it's a recent, modern cult (it's appreance betrays this fact, Huitzlipochtli, the Aztec patron god, the god of war, is not a skeleton, and Santa Muerte looks more like a female grim reaper, a European icon). I've read that those in the cult say it's either 1965 as an origin date (supposedly capital-D Death appeared to some dude, he asked his priest, his priest told him that that's demonic, and he decided to break off with the church) or as early as the 1990s. As someone that has been doing buisness in Mexico since the 90s, I can tell you that it's spread is definitely a late 2000s, 2010s thing. Dunno if it was just a small cult before but now It's rather popular. I'd also say that Mexicans say it's mostly a criminal (narco or otherwise) thing, but in the US it's definitely growing among just normal people. Just reading anything about it makes it clear to me that it's something demonic that has started to take heavy root as Mexican society degenerated in the 2000s. When criminals started running things, they started to be cool, and their demonic culture started becoming popular. I hope it can be stopped and changed.

 

[Slap47]

Tradwives are formed through certain conditions.

The issue with tradwives is that the material conditions justifying them no longer exist. Washing clothes is not that hard with washing machines. Cooking a good meal is *usually* not that hard. Cleaning the house is tedious, but not that hard. The effort is caring enough to actually do it. A couple is statistically going to have 0-2 kids which is not as hard as 6 kids. The kids have access to schools whether that be public, catholic or private, and modern middle class parenting is usually just extra-curriculars that parents drive them to after school. The wife has free time, there is a high cost of living, and comfortable non-physically demanding jobs for her to work are available. She may as well get a job and the husband may as well just help her with chores and raise the kids.

In some ways the trad wife is also kinda a myth. The wives of peasant farmers worked alongside their husbands, and women worked in textiles mills and factories in large numbers right from the start of industrialization. I am sure some Andrew-Tate brained types like the idea of having an obedient teenage slave wife, but the most important part of the "trad wife" that people care about is a romanticized view of parents having a role and fulfilling obligations.

 

[Jerk Sausage]

A man's desire for a trad wife is the same kind of romantic laziness as a woman's desire for a sugar daddy. Give me all of the good with none of the work.

As @Local Farmer said, a happy marriage is:

keep wooing your partner all throughout your relationship until one of you is in the fucking grave, neither one is supposed to be a doormat

Align on the core life values, take seriously any minor differences and resolve them before getting married. Then date your wife forever. In return, two people who want to do good things for each other forever is a recipe to get all of those "trad wife" things. To expect that as a given is just setting yourself up to live in a resentful, short marriage.

 

[GeekUSA]

A man's desire for a trad wife is the same kind of romantic laziness as a woman's desire for a sugar daddy. Give me all of the good with none of the work.

As @Local Farmer said, a happy marriage is:

Align on the core life values, take seriously any minor differences and resolve them before getting married. Then date your wife forever. In return, two people who want to do good things for each other forever is a recipe to get all of those "trad wife" things. To expect that as a given is just setting yourself up to live in a resentful, short marriage.

Marriage itself is incredibly spiritual as well. When Jesus said: "let no man separate what the Lord brought together", He meant it literally. Marriage is the joining of husband into one flesh, a union before God that, if viably done, can only be broken in the event of one of the spouses. If your criteria for marriage with someone is a bang maid or sugar daddy, I would highly recommend you rethink your spiritual well-being as a Catholic.

 

[RomanianSchizo]

Has anyone else seen the controversy about Wretched Saints and Voice of Reason? They're both two prominent Catholic Instagram figures, part of this group of other Catholic influencers called "Catholic, Inc". Both got outed for sexting, with VOR allegedly grooming a 16 year old catechism student when he was 19-20 and was a catechism teacher (although not specifically the girl's teacher). VOR denies the claims, while Wretched Saints is going to be making a video response last I saw. WS did post about having suicidal and self-harm thoughts (which I'm not sure if this is legit or an attention-seeking thing, either way, I hope he doesn't act on any of those thoughts). I'm not really sure how to feel about the situation, I'm mainly just disgusted and saddened. Between this and Candace Owens, I think I really need to stop assuming that just because an internet personality is Catholic, they're automatically a great person.

 

[23iwakura23]

Has anyone else seen the controversy about Wretched Saints and Voice of Reason? They're both two prominent Catholic Instagram figures, part of this group of other Catholic influencers called "Catholic, Inc". Both got outed for sexting, with VOR allegedly grooming a 16 year old catechism student when he was 19-20 and was a catechism teacher (although not specifically the girl's teacher). VOR denies the claims, while Wretched Saints is going to be making a video response last I saw. WS did post about having suicidal and self-harm thoughts (which I'm not sure if this is legit or an attention-seeking thing, either way, I hope he doesn't act on any of those thoughts). I'm not really sure how to feel about the situation, I'm mainly just disgusted and saddened. Between this and Candace Owens, I think I really need to stop assuming that just because an internet personality is Catholic, they're automatically a great person.

I've heard some things about VOR getting outed for sexting or something, but at the end of the day, I don't really think about "influencers". That's all retarded imo. Read the fathers. Read scripture. Read the canons of the councils, and read what the pope's promulgating officially. Hear what your priest says, and what your bishop makes known. There's nothing else relevant.

 

[Venial Sneeds]

just because an internet personality is Catholic, they're automatically a great person.

If priests are not immune to human weakness, what can we expect of laymen? It's a good reminder for our generation that no man is Christian because he's holy.

On the other hand, I bet these guys have audiences of mostly young men, who also struggle against lust. Their failures show they are not above others, but if they can be humble and take the hit, they can still be a brother sinner. If the allegations are true, we'll see if they believe they can be forgiven enough to apologize.

Never heard of Wretched Saints. Besides this, what's his deal?

 

[Froggy Fresh Sextape]

I think I really need to stop assuming that just because an internet personality is Catholic, they're automatically a great person.

They're social media influencers, not canonized saints. Keep exercising your ability for discernment and it will grow.

 

[RomanianSchizo]

Thanks everyone! I've been very jaded lately regarding a lot of things, so thanks for the much needed reminders.

Never heard of Wretched Saints. Besides this, what's his deal?

Wretched Saints got outed for pressuring a lady (who was an adult) to engage in sexually explicit conversations. At the time of these conversations, he wasn't Catholic (He didn't become Catholic until Easter this year) but was making Catholic content on Instagram while engaging in these conversations. Allegedly he pressured other women to engage in these conversations as well.

 

[G.G. A-Log]

Has anyone else seen the controversy about Wretched Saints and Voice of Reason? They're both two prominent Catholic Instagram figures, part of this group of other Catholic influencers called "Catholic, Inc". Both got outed for sexting, with VOR allegedly grooming a 16 year old catechism student when he was 19-20 and was a catechism teacher (although not specifically the girl's teacher). VOR denies the claims, while Wretched Saints is going to be making a video response last I saw. WS did post about having suicidal and self-harm thoughts (which I'm not sure if this is legit or an attention-seeking thing, either way, I hope he doesn't act on any of those thoughts). I'm not really sure how to feel about the situation, I'm mainly just disgusted and saddened. Between this and Candace Owens, I think I really need to stop assuming that just because an internet personality is Catholic, they're automatically a great person.

Not a Catholic, but I don’t see anywhere talking about this. Feel free to remove this post if it’s too off topic.

In the abstract, I don’t think it’s appropriate to call an at-most 20 year old sexting with an at-least 16 year old as grooming. It’s still sleazy and bad, but it exists in an area where I’d argue it’s neither pedophilia nor grooming. They’re both young and dumb. General rule of thumb I find more helpful is “4 years, cutting off at 16”. A 20 year old messing around with a 16 year old is still inappropriate in a similar way to a 10 year old sucking his thumb or an 8 year old baby talking (for the lack of any other equivalently severe and better comparison I can think of). It’s a sign of immaturity that may reflect deeper issues or could be something they just don’t realize is totally inappropriate. I give a 20 year old guy some leeway, but absolutely do not encourage that behavior, and would actively tell him to not do that. If it was a one-off mistake that lead to no lasting harm, then it’s just embarrassing. If it’s a continual pattern, that’s when you can start viewing that behavior as grooming and intentional.

In the specific and in the Spirit of Christian life, I think this whole situation serves as fine reminder not to put your trust in the works of men and idolize others. We all fail, and you shouldn’t base your faith on anyone else holding it up. To paraphrase a retort to the concept of Universalism: You should believe that everyone else is holding to the faith greater than you no matter what they believe or actually do, and you should act like you’re a sinner that’s constantly trying to hold onto the faith. It’d be nice if this cools off the social media Christian Apologetics crowd. It’s been needed for decades!

In the spirit of the Farms; Voice of Reason absolutely strikes me as being a groomer, from the way he looks, talks, and acts. Never understood why anyone would find him in the slightest charismatic. To throw out a stray, that opinion applies twice over to Erick Ybarra. Absolutely baffling.

 

[GeekUSA]

Voice of Reason always seemed like 2 steps away from Orthobro territory with the lack of authenticity and genuine religiosity behind all his videos. I get that modern outreach to younger Catholics necessitates using social media formats, but I never really got anything out of it I wouldn't have seen from people like Bishop Barron or father Mike Schmitz.


Also his voice was annoying; he put on the same faux-deep voice as critical and corpse husband, and all it did was just make me annoyed

 

[Froggy Fresh Sextape]

It’d be nice if this cools off the social media Christian Apologetics crowd. It’s been needed for decades!

I wish. Social media algorithms are designed to boost engagement and apologetics gets a ton of engagement from people slapfighting. This is what influencers are going to gravitate towards because they crave attention (and money.)

Or, to be more charitable, boosting engagement would get more young people interested in the Church, but also that's kinda weird when half your videos are "here is why the Catholic Church provides the only absolute truth you can trust" and the other half is "is the Catholic Church being invaded by gays, Protestants, and gay Protestants?"

 

[Justice Tony]

So I watched this video tonight and found it incredibly interesting. Candace Owens being part of the SSPX makes complete sense, since the rhetoric that she is spouting is something that I don't believe any genuine Catholic would believe. It also made me sad and angry though - the SSPX/sedes/and other heretical/schismatic (not sure of the correct word here) traditionalist Catholic movements have become so pervasive since Vatican II, and have led so many Catholics down a very dark path. I used to think that because Candace Owens is a Catholic (and a conservative one at that), she believes in the same things I do. I am incredibly disappointed, and it's not only made me side-eye her, but also a lot of Catholics that I know who are more traditional. It's also made me slightly hesitant to even trust the Catholics I follow and are friends with, sadly enough.
Anyway, I'm trying not to despair, and I trust in Jesus that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. But man, right now I am very sad and angry the more I think about all of this. The best thing I can do is pray for those who are in these schismatic/heretical sects to come back into full communion with the Church. But yeah, just wanted to rant about it here because I think there's a lot of people in this thread who will understand where I'm coming from.

Candace is like Alex Jones but black and with tits at this point. She used to be rather normal but I think it's that she got wrapped up with the Kanye thing and was tainted by that. The fact that she married that Anglo also didn't help since she has kinda emasculated him. Who's Candace Owens? A black conservative influencer. Who the actual fuck is George Farmer?

Marriage itself is incredibly spiritual as well. When Jesus said: "let no man separate what the Lord brought together", He meant it literally. Marriage is the joining of husband into one flesh, a union before God that, if viably done, can only be broken in the event of one of the spouses. If your criteria for marriage with someone is a bang maid or sugar daddy, I would highly recommend you rethink your spiritual well-being as a Catholic.

Yeah I agree. I mean to a certain extent you need to just disregard all the trivial shit. If she's single, of age, someone you'd trust to raise your kids to be saints, can have kids, isn't going to pass on some horrific genetic condition, and gives you a boner you have no real reason not to shoot your shot. People are just too picky.

"Oh I want an Irish redhead for a tradwife, this latina won't do and neither will this black one! Oh I want a cradle Catholic, this Protestant convert who has completely thrown off degenerate heresy won't do! Oh I want a woman with huge tits, this otherwise hot chick with small tits won't do!"

Your ancestors killed Saracens in the Levant, Aztecs in Mesoamerica, Protestants in Germany, and pagans in Lithuania. They are in heaven, and they are so disappointed that you're letting something so unimportant prevent the propagation of the faith. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good enough.

 

[RomanianSchizo]

Candace is like Alex Jones but black and with tits at this point. She used to be rather normal but I think it's that she got wrapped up with the Kanye thing and was tainted by that. The fact that she married that Anglo also didn't help since she has kinda emasculated him. Who's Candace Owens? A black conservative influencer. Who the actual fuck is George Farmer?

All I know about George Farmer is that he's an English Lord (which I don't think means much tbh), is a businessman and the former CEO of Parler, he's part of the SSPX, and is best buds with Andrew Tate. Iirc, he was friends with Tate before he even met Candace. It puts a bad taste in my mouth, but it explains why Candace is so ready to defend the Tate brothers.

 

[Justice Tony]

All I know about George Farmer is that he's an English Lord (which I don't think means much tbh), is a businessman and the former CEO of Parler, he's part of the SSPX, and is best buds with Andrew Tate. Iirc, he was friends with Tate before he even met Candace. It puts a bad taste in my mouth, but it explains why Candace is so ready to defend the Tate brothers.

Why the absolute fuck would he be friends with Tate? Through Parler?

 

[RomanianSchizo]

Why the absolute fuck would he be friends with Tate? Through Parler?

According to him, "I’ve known Andrew for many, many years. I’ve known Andrew since before Andrew was Andrew, you know what I mean. I’ve known Andrew since before he was famous, I guess. Andrew is a great guy, he really is and he’s a wonderful guy in many ways."
That's all he's said about the friendship though from what I can find.

 

[Justice Tony]

According to him, "I’ve known Andrew for many, many years. I’ve known Andrew since before Andrew was Andrew, you know what I mean. I’ve known Andrew since before he was famous, I guess. Andrew is a great guy, he really is and he’s a wonderful guy in many ways."
That's all he's said about the friendship though from what I can find.

When did he say that? After he became a pimp?

Edit: Also why the fuck did you quote a black Jew? Like look, it's informative that Candace is a part of SSPX but like he attacks SSPX for being "anti-Semitic" which is bullshit. I have problems with the SSPX, they're a bunch of rabble rousing retards who do far more harm than good. But I refuse to be lectured to by a Jew on the SSPX, especially after Israel deliberately attacked a Catholic church in Gaza.

 

[RomanianSchizo]

When did he say that? After he became a pimp?

Edit: Also why the fuck did you quote a black Jew? Like look, it's informative that Candace is a part of SSPX but like he attacks SSPX for being "anti-Semitic" which is bullshit. I have problems with the SSPX, they're a bunch of rabble rousing retards who do far more harm than good. But I refuse to be lectured to by a Jew on the SSPX, especially after Israel deliberately attacked a Catholic church in Gaza.

A black Jew? I copied and pasted this quote from an article I found, and it's a direct quote from George Farmer from this interview with Taylor Marshall (timestamp 47:00):

 

[Unique User Name]

It's in the news currently, but to me this is very straightforward, maybe I'm not seeing something others are.

The clergy should be mandatory reporters of CSA in all instances unless doing so would break the seal of confession. But during confession, a good priest will withhold absolution if the penitent doesn’t intend to rectify his ways, or if the offender doesn't agree to turn themselves in to the authorities as a part of their penance.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/priestly-responsibility-regarding-crimes-confessed (A)

“If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained”

(John 20:23)

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...ch-child-abuse-law-clergy-priests-1235388032/ (A)

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea”

(Matt 18:6)