Kenneth Zucker documentary salt - Twitter transtrenders get upset over unbiased BBC documentary.

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bawtism said:
"Just because little kids say something doesn't necessarily mean that you accept it or it's true"
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And dangerhair internet shut-ins and gender studies majors are, for all intent and purposes, little kids.
 
Sinners Sandwich said:
Troons equate troonery with being gay. But sexual orientation and claiming to be the opposite sex or [insert gender identity] are ENTIRELY different. Homosexuality doesn't need drugs and genital surgery in order to function properly. It exist in the animal world too. Also being gay doesn't come with other mental health issues like trans does.

Troonery on the other hand means destroying your body in order to fit some gender identity in your head. It sees self hate as a proof that the body is wrong.
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What's neat is that some of them will argue that you shouldn't discriminate against mtfs still having the goods even if you're a straight person, or an ftm if you're a gay guy. The logic is you should accept whatever that person presents as and not care about their genitals.
So all those gay people's problems could have been solved by just dating really manly looking women I guess and the whole "liking penis instead of vagina" was never any issue?
That sounds a lot more like conversion therapy type shit to me.
 
D.Va said:
There is an upcoming BBC documentary focusing on Dr. Kenneth Zucker, a doctor who experimented with a 'cure' for trans kids before getting fired. Obviously, this upset the usual social circles before it even aired. 'Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best?' airs on the 12th of January at 9PM on BBC Two.

Trenders on Twitter are in arms:
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500 replies later, trender shares his deep understanding of biology:
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ThatSabineGirl and some other Rat Kings have opined:
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Including renowned personality Nicholas Nyberg:
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Gay Star News article, which is totally not salty:
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And we're still 24 hours from the documentary airing. Here we go
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This reminds of "The Wizard of Oz" where the Wizard gets pissed off and tells Dorothy not to pay attention to anything behind the curtain.
 
In all fairness, Kenneth Zucker is pretty retarded for thinking that forcing stereotypical gender roles upon children will cure them of transness. If anything that will only make them hate their sex even more, since it reinforces the delusion that they can't like the things they naturally want to because of their sex.

It reminds me of David Reimer, and then I just shake my head because his was a truly heartbreaking case. Sad as his life was though, it stands as the ultimate counterpoint to any argument that transness comes from nurture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
 
Pandinus Imperator said:
In all fairness, Kenneth Zucker is pretty exceptional for thinking that forcing stereotypical gender roles upon children will cure them of transness. If anything that will only make them hate their sex even more, since it reinforces the delusion that they can't like the things they naturally want to because of their sex.

It reminds me of David Reimer, and then I just shake my head because his was a truly heartbreaking case. Sad as his life was though, it stands as the ultimate counterpoint to any argument that transness comes from nurture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
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Plenty of people have been pretty damn exceptional in certain areas. Doesn't mean we can't appreciate the smart stuff they did while mocking their stupidity. Like that one experiment, I forget the name, that took a bunch of college students and simulated a prison system. Was it stupid to not expect the people playing the guards would abuse their "authority"? Yes. Did it give us a fascinating look into human psychology? Fuck yes.
 
Pandinus Imperator said:
In all fairness, Kenneth Zucker is pretty exceptional for thinking that forcing stereotypical gender roles upon children will cure them of transness. If anything that will only make them hate their sex even more, since it reinforces the delusion that they can't like the things they naturally want to because of their sex.
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Anyone who thinks that shoving a kid into any arbitrary roles isn't going to result in eventual rebellion is an exceptional individual.

Don't see why a documentary on this guy is hating trans people, though.
 
Piga Dgrifm said:
Anyone who thinks that shoving a kid into any arbitrary roles isn't going to result in eventual rebellion is an exceptional individual.

Don't see why a documentary on this guy is hating trans people, though.
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Indeed. A documentary about a retard isn't an attack on a self centered demographic.
 
Pandinus Imperator said:
In all fairness, Kenneth Zucker is pretty exceptional for thinking that forcing stereotypical gender roles upon children will cure them of transness. If anything that will only make them hate their sex even more, since it reinforces the delusion that they can't like the things they naturally want to because of their sex.

It reminds me of David Reimer, and then I just shake my head because his was a truly heartbreaking case. Sad as his life was though, it stands as the ultimate counterpoint to any argument that transness comes from nurture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
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Well, this poor man was not autistic. We all know that the autistic brain does not have the same reasoning skills as the neurotypical brain. That was not meant to be an insult to anyone, it's just the truth. In a perfect world, if pop-culture would stop giving so much attention to trannies, we would probably see a significant drop of new auto-troon cases. This is why all this stuff should be handled behind closed doors. It's no coincidence that the neurodivergence movement peaked at the exact same time of the so-called transgender movement. If people had been trooning out like this earlier in the last century like other trannies, then it might have had some validity, but they were not. Just like the LGBT refuses to denounce crazy, violent, pedophilic crossdressers pretending to be trans, the transgender movement refuses to denounce people who are blatantly autistic.

It's just so odd, like the most feminine thing about some of these people is that they were born with nipples and that's it.
 
Mariposa Electrique said:
Well, this poor man was not autistic. We all know that the autistic brain does not have the same reasoning skills as the neurotypical brain. That was not meant to be an insult to anyone, it's just the truth. In a perfect world, if pop-culture would stop giving so much attention to trannies, we would probably see a significant drop of new auto-troon cases. This is why all this stuff should be handled behind closed doors. It's no coincidence that the neurodivergence movement peaked at the exact same time of the so-called transgender movement. If people had been trooning out like this earlier in the last century like other trannies, then it might have had some validity, but they were not. Just like the LGBT refuses to denounce crazy, violent, pedophilic crossdressers pretending to be trans, the transgender movement refuses to denounce people who are blatantly autistic.

It's just so odd, like the most feminine thing about some of these people is that they were born with nipples and that's it.
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Autism and reasoning is conditional, though. Autistic people have varying IQs like neurotypical people, but the ones with high IQs are generally specialized rather than generalized thinkers. The smart ones may possess almost superhuman levels of intelligence within their narrow interest range, but this comes at the expense of just about everything else.

This is discourse for another subject, though. Kenneth Zucker being a tard about the cause of tranniness isn't relevant to autism, though the spread of tranniness like a disease may be.
 
Pandinus Imperator said:
Autism and reasoning is conditional, though. Autistic people have varying IQs like neurotypical people, but the ones with high IQs are generally specialized rather than generalized thinkers. The smart ones may possess almost superhuman levels of intelligence within their narrow interest range, but this comes at the expense of just about everything else.

This is discourse for another subject, though. Kenneth Zucker being a tard about the cause of tranniness isn't relevant to autism, though the spread of tranniness like a disease may be.
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I understand that the spectrum is vast, but as far as understanding the concepts and loyalties behind societal concepts like gender is s still lacking. Zucker does not say that autism is the cause of transgenderism, but that people who reason with autistic minds are more likely to be obsessed with gender as opposed to someone who may have too little estrogen or too much testosterone in the womb (gays & lesbians that go on to be transgender).
If the AGP trannies are all reasoning the same way, but they're all over the spectrum, there's obviously something to it.
 
Mariposa Electrique said:
I understand that the spectrum is vast, but as far as understanding the concepts and loyalties behind societal concepts like gender is s still lacking. Zucker does not say that autism is the cause of transgenderism, but that people who reason with autistic minds are more likely to be obsessed with gender as opposed to someone who may have too little estrogen or too much testosterone in the womb (gays & lesbians that go on to be transgender).
If the AGP trannies are all reasoning the same way, but they're all over the spectrum, there's obviously something to it.
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This is absolutely true. Intelligent autistic people tend to be more objective than subjective thinkers and fail to understand concepts grounded in emotion rather than logic.

I do not think this is a bad thing by any means, though. Ironically, as detached from reality and delusional as many autistic people become, the lack of understanding emotions makes for some who are more grounded in reality than the average person on some subjects, I think.
 
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