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So then trooning and being trans-abled cutting off limbs is okay if they consent. We used to be a proper society and acknowledge when mental illnesses contributed to self-harming demands. But now I can't judge if an 18-year-old OnlyFans girl goes to Dubai to get shat on by sandniggers "because she consented and you are a bigot". And then when she develops a drug addiction after to cope with the psychological trauma, that came out of thin air I guess, since there is nothing wrong with that behavior and it is totally healthy according to Reddit. Would you want your daughter following in that path? I doubt it, or at least I hope you don't.

And I can't advise someone against an open relationship because that makes me a "polyphobic bigot", I just have to accept them ruining their good marriage to chase sexual hedonism cooming, something they'll realize wasn't even that good once they actually experience it. Casual sex is never as good as sex with someone you love. A good friend of mine lost a woman he really loved because he thought he could make the poly thing work. And he regrets it.
 
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Scenario A: Obvious Abusive Relationship
>Man beats woman during argument, calls her a stupid whore
>Later gives woman a compliment and the woman stays "because he can be nice sometimes"
>Repeats cycle regularly

Scenario B: Kinky Relationship You Should Accept, You Bigot
>Man beats woman during sex, calls her a stupid whore
>Later gives woman a compliment, "it was just roleplay"
>Repeats cycle regularly

Why is one bad and the other good? Why does the presence of getting off make abuse okay? Some people think BDSM is just fuzzy handcuffs. But now even choking fetishes are becoming normalized and people are dying because of it. And just because something is becoming more common doesn't mean it's good. I think Generation Z is extremely mentally ill and their weird sexual proclivities are a symptom of overall societal decline.
Following principles like RACK, the couple in scenario B would have sufficient conversations about it, and during sex the sub can stop at any time by using a safeword.
I'm not making the case that a couple that engages in degrading BDSM is just as healthy as one that doesn't, but I do think it is possible to do safely without significantly harming the mental or physical health of the sub.

I think it may be more of a you problem, it's totally okay if you don't feel comfortable with BDSM and your partners should respect that.
If we make every behavior acceptable "as long as you consent", then where's the line and how can you tell?
Not every behavior that is consented to is ethical, and thats why BDSM communities came up with SSC, where the Safe and Sane aspects are as important as the Consensual aspect. That is a philosophy that I and many others follow, I would never want a partner of mine to do something unsafe even if they consented to it. Now, where that line is drawn is a matter of personal philosophy.

Obviously, many people don't follow SSC and it causes problems for everyone involved. I think findom is a good example, it's no different from paying a pro domme or buying something for your girlfriend, assuming you are only spending your 'fun' money. But if a findom willingly makes a sub go into debt or ruin their lives financially, even if the sub asked for it, it would be unethical and in my opinion should be illegal, the same way a bartender giving alcohol to someone extremely drunk is.
 
So then trooning and being trans-abled cutting off limbs is okay if they consent.
If they are a legal adult and fully understand the consequences of their actions or seriously impact the general public (through taxes in that situation). Yes. I don't give a shit if you chop your bodyparts off. Your life to ruin not mine. I'm still going to think it's fucking retarded but I'm not going to go around saying it should be illegal. The problem is that they are lied to and do not actually understand the consequences.
I can't advise someone against an open relationship
You can. Everyone else can ignore you though. Your words are not special. No one has an obligation to listen and obey you.
 
I don't entirely disagree but this isn't the hill you want to die on bro.
I particularly hate the inability to concede that there is SOME connection between pedophilia and what is tantamount to simulating pedophilia. It's mendacious. I can't buy this guy both being so well-versed in ABDL to defend it like this, but then also naive to the "caretaker" role in the ABDL dynamic and how it's more or less someone who wants to pretend to partake in child molestation with an adult surrogate. It's possible for someone to have a coherent defense for it as a paraphilia without playing coy about the sinister side of these "adult babies" and the fantasies they're enacting.

At this point, he's only dying on the hill in the sense that he's rhetorically blown his legs off and refusing any assistance to not die on the hill. We all know that if we sat through an hour of "ABDL kink content" that it'd be pretty damn obvious pedophilia plays a role in what grinds their gears and excites them. Then the goal posts move again to "that's only some of them!" and then the goal posts just keep moving forever. It's really that Spongebob meme of Patrick refusing to accept that it's his wallet.
 
excuse me for not reading all 53 pages of a thread about urethral sounding but there should be more cautionary tales about the depths of kink shit, because as mentioned by OP or whoever when you look into the void long enough, it stares back and never blinks. it's all fun & games when you start with pantyhose & fuzzy handcuffs but the longer you coom to that shit the worse it gets, its like an addiction, just like how OP mentioned your inhibitions lower when horny. near the end of the pipeline is shit like breath"play" where people get hung or choked & pass out for a nut. the description in that last sentence doesn't do it justice when it comes to how fucked up and depraved this david parker ray ass shit is. shit on kinks all you want (no pun intended), infact you should do so because they lead to depravity, but use your brain and be logical, and importantly a line needs to be drawn between NORMAL sexuality and this ridiculous fetish shit. Labeling anyone who finds a girl in a crop top attractive as a "belly fetishist" is going to lead them into that aforementioned pipeline whether you shame them for it or not. A normal person's sexuality is so divorced from that of a coomer's that the coomer's "sexuality" should be considered a completely separate thing altogether. it's extremely evident with latex where someone can go from "ooh shes sexy and looks shiny, that's cool & futuristic" to "i want ball crushing pressure from a vacuum bed & a hitachi with near suffocation from a gas mask filled with dirty drawers" faster than most people can imagine, which was even mentioned by OP (preferences of people with the "fetish"). the mindset behind the first quote "ooh she looks cool" isn't the problem and shouldn't even be considered a fetish; the second one "me likey magic wand" is the real issue. Cut off the extreme coomers, or better yet cut off the conditions that foster the porn addiction that creates them, and then things might start to heal.
 
However, I'm not going to pretend to care about people getting off in "unsanitary," but otherwise mundane manners. What's objectionable is utilizing diapers to facilitate sexual situations simulating pedophilia and child molestation. There's people who incorporate the diapers into kink stuff specifically because they're into piss and shit, or because it's being contextualized within a BDSM control scenario without all the "I'm-pretending-to-diddle-or-be-diddled" age regression stuff. More people are probably getting infections from "vanilla" sex than poopoo sex, anyways.

This is bad reasoning. Even if you believe what people do behind closed doors is their own business, that should exempt human waste just on it's face. But if you for some reason must go "no, even in the case of someone wanting to wear diapers like a baby, that's their business", there should still be limits. And even if you're willing to permit some human waste, there STILL needs to be a boundary, because while urine is not particularly dangerous, feces are lethal.

You're right, people get mild UTIs and other non-serious infections from regular sex all the time. You know what happens if you introduce E. Coli O157:H7 into a scenario that would result in a relatively normal infection? Kidney failure where your body start destroying it's own red blood cells, followed by sepsis, and death.

The Shiga-toxin produced by E. Coli O157:H7 is fucking lethal. Do not allow people to play in the poo poo. Anyone who is a poo poo player, fuck their agency. It would be better for them to be killed in the name of harm reduction, than to continue their actions, because a continuation of their actions can spread their deadly behaviors to others. Ipso facto, better to kill them, before they kill someone else and themselves.

Also Hitler tried to mind his own business when it came to Rohm and that was a mistake.
 
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This is bad reasoning. Even if you believe what people do behind closed doors is their own business, that should exempt human waste just on it's face. But if you for some reason must go "no, even in the case of someone wanting to wear diapers like a baby, that's their business", there should still be limits. And even if you're willing to permit some human waste, there STILL needs to be a boundary, because while urine is not particularly dangerous, feces are lethal.

You're right, people get mild UTIs and other non-serious infections from regular sex all the time. You know what happens if you introduce E. Coli O157:H7 into a scenario that would result in a relatively normal infection? Kidney failure where your body start destroying it's own red blood cells, followed by sepsis, and death.

The Shiga-toxin produced by E. Coli O157:H7 is fucking lethal. Do not allow people to play in the poo poo. Anyone who is a poo poo player, fuck their agency. It would be better for them to be killed in the name of harm reduction, than to continue their actions, because a continuation of their actions can spread their deadly behaviors to others. Ipso facto, better to kill them, before they kill someone else and themselves.

Also Hitler tried to mind his own business when it came to Rohm and that was a mistake.
What are you arguing here? That we should have state diaper inspections and kill anyone that shits in them?
 
What are you arguing here? That we should have state diaper inspections and kill anyone that shits in them?
Well I was mostly warning against how dangerous E. Coli is, but if you want a plan of action for the state: I would start by raiding every Etsy shop that sells custom print adult diapers with death squads, but instead of shutting down the operations, we would force them to continue to sell the diapers and clandestinely report back to us. We track those purchases over a period of time and then we liquidate the liability when the state has built a list of targets.
 
You know what happens if you introduce E. Coli O157:H7 into a scenario that would result in a relatively normal infection? Kidney failure where your body start destroying it's own red blood cells, followed by sepsis, and death.
You know, when they want to prevent people from abusing alcohol or stop problem drinkers before it's too late, they'll show them someone who has drank themselves to the point of sepsis. They'll show them someone who's going through the violent withdrawals of a lifelong alcoholic. It's one of the greatest deterrents for a reason. You know where they couldn't do that? In your power fantasy where you can go "you bad, you die now" with all the extra added window dressing.

If they want to make an example out of themselves and discourage others from eating shit by putting on display that kidney failure, then let them. They want to fuck on the train tracks because it's their "kink" too? Let them. Let them touch the hot stove, maybe onlookers who were considering touching it will clue into "oh, yeah, don't wanna touch that!" I struggle to believe that we're one mass murder away from finally solving the "we need to hurt you to prevent you from hurting you because you hurting you will inspire others to hurt themselves!" conundrum, but for the record, if we do undergo such a mass murder, I do not eat poopoo. When I shit my diaper, I change it immediately. Phew, survived that one.
 
You know, when they want to prevent people from abusing alcohol or stop problem drinkers before it's too late, they'll show them someone who has drank themselves to the point of sepsis. They'll show them someone who's going through the violent withdrawals of a lifelong alcoholic. It's one of the greatest deterrents for a reason. You know where they couldn't do that? In your power fantasy where you can go "you bad, you die now" with all the extra added window dressing.
Alcohol and drugs have been used through all of human history. It's normative and that matters. Acting like it doesn't is why the world is so fucking dogshit these days.

But more importantly its victim blaming to confuse alcoholic with sexual deviant.
A pervert is more equitable to a drug dealer than a drug addict or alcoholic, as he infects others with his disease for his own benefit.
 
I think trying to reform degenerates is a waste of time and effort. Just deport them to a remote island somewhere and forget about them. If they figure out how to catch fish and make their own society, good on them, if they starve or kill each other, sucks to be them, shouldn't have been a degenerate.
The point is that the weak genes that predispose people to being vulnerable to abuse should be bred out eventually.
Are the genes that predispose people to being abused the same as those that then make them abusers?
Are they perhaps lacking the social cohesion or social rules to stigmatize and weed out degeneracy that will harm the vulnerable? Then the genes that cause this lack of social rules and stigmatization need to be eliminated and replaced with genes that have this drive to eliminate degeneracy.
I unfortunately don't think reform is a long term solution, as reform cannot change genes. Even if you put much effort into preventing abuse and manage to raise one generation with no abuse at all, the genes of people that will make them abusers still exist and as soon as you go hands off and let them go wild, the genes will eventually express, and without any restrictions from the outside through society, they'll spawn a new cycle of abuse.
Even social stigmatization is not a solution. They'll just go into hiding and suppress those genes. Then they'll express when they get the chance to.
So many genes that make people abusers make people behave in ways that help their survival by making them behave differently than others and be more psychopathic and manipulative, and thus make them more successful in some fields where this is advantageous, and so that makes them more likely to reproduce and carry on those genes.
It's how rape, murder and cannibalism culture gets normalized and the standard in shithole countries. Certain selective pressures ensure that the genes that predispose people to those behaviors are more likely to reproduce. And the usual way this happens is through violence and rape, and the genes that make people violent rapists.
There only way to do this is with eugenics and either castration of problematic people or outright murder sentences.
 
Anyone who is a poo poo player, fuck their agency. It would be better for them to be killed in the name of harm reduction, than to continue their actions, because a continuation of their actions can spread their deadly behaviors to others. Ipso facto, better to kill them, before they kill someone else and themselves.
Let's deport all the scat fetishists to India. Clearly that is where they belong. They would fit right in. Indians have a Hindu god that was born in cow shit. It is fucking ridiculous that people are seriously defending people that play with their own shit as if that isn't a sign of severe mental illness.
 
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What are you arguing here? That we should have state diaper inspections and kill anyone that shits in them?
Write to your congressman and lobby for the federal government to establish a diaper patrol and enforcement. You can become a federal agent tasked with stopping and frisking suspected individuals and feeling for a crinkle under their pants.
 
For those asking for a real solution, I said this in the "Kiwis Against Pornography" thread:
I agree. Pornography bans will never work. But what will work is increased education on why porn addiction is bad and how what you jack off to can affect you. People are surprisingly stupid in thinking their fantasies can become reality too. You see this with trannies and poly people. Poly people always end up breaking up eventually because humans are wired to feel sexual jealousy over their mate. It's extremely abnormal to be completely okay with someone else fucking your wife in front of you. If you've ever looked at r/polyamory, they will attempt to self-gaslight with "poly-informed therapists" or reading polyamory books, but are still miserable and on SSRIs.

No type of ban will work obviously, and any attempt is impossible to enforce. But we can spread more education. You should also monitor your kids to prevent the Internet from raising them and making them into a Giggly Goonclown-level degenerate. Also we should shame gooner degenerates whenever they TMI overshare their depravity in spaces where it's not wanted. Discord and Reddit are the worst offenders of this where people on those platforms genuinely think it's normal to publicly share their fetishes with strangers, even in servers/subreddits that are not sexual. Basically we need to go back to the time where pervert was still an insult and not a Protected Class. Back when people still had shame for their actions. Completely get rid of this Redditor contrarian mindset that justifies this bullshit.
 
Just like how no liberal can answer "What is a woman?". No liberal can answer "Where is the line drawn in regards to kinks?" either. That's interesting.
1) Whatever doesn't cause serious harm (physical or psychological)
2) Whatever doesn't impede (non-consensually) the freedom of another

The main point of contention is 1) even though they're arguing from the perspective of upholding 2)
One side believes in restrictions in order to reduce harm
The other believe that freedoms must be maintained even if harm is a factor

From my understanding the lines are:
1) Consent (both parties must want it, and are capable of giving it)*
2) It mustn't cause unwanted harm to another person.
Theoretically there is no line so long as it abides by the above. Scat, ageplay, etc—all permissible.
The issue here is this is a universal principle that may or may not be applied in general by the person.
It becomes contentious when applied to kinks and porn, but when applied to guns, speech, alcohol/cigarettes, etcetera, you might find more people in alignment with the more Liberal POV. If getting rid of gross porn and gross people also meant restricting some of their own freedoms in doing something non-porn related, they might side with the "sicko" over the "non-sicko".

I particularly hate the inability to concede that there is SOME connection between pedophilia and what is tantamount to simulating pedophilia. It's mendacious. I can't buy this guy both being so well-versed in ABDL to defend it like this, but then also naive to the "caretaker" role in the ABDL dynamic and how it's more or less someone who wants to pretend to partake in child molestation with an adult surrogate. It's possible for someone to have a coherent defense for it as a paraphilia without playing coy about the sinister side of these "adult babies" and the fantasies they're enacting.

At this point, he's only dying on the hill in the sense that he's rhetorically blown his legs off and refusing any assistance to not die on the hill. We all know that if we sat through an hour of "ABDL kink content" that it'd be pretty damn obvious pedophilia plays a role in what grinds their gears and excites them. Then the goal posts move again to "that's only some of them!" and then the goal posts just keep moving forever. It's really that Spongebob meme of Patrick refusing to accept that it's his wallet.
Because it's become important to them. It's a major source of happiness/dopamine and so they won't see it tarnished.

I personally don't see why there's an all or nothing approach when there's obviously nuanced involved, regardless of your view. Obviously it's possible there might be some paedophilic element involved, but it's just one of a laundry list of possible reasons. His problem is refusing to accept it, but the problem being raised by opponents is that it's only paedophilia.

From his POV accepting conceding to that possibility would effectively open the door to labelling him a paedophile, which he likely isn't considering he saw the kink as "pure"/"acceptable" enough to put front and centre in the OP post. From the bizarre number of pedos who have outed themselves as pedos on this very site, they usually come right out and say it, because it pleasures them on some level.
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I don't think he's a pedo and if he's into ABDL, his reasons are likely not tied to paedophilia. Like many kinks though the true underlying motives are still likely to be embarrassing (which he may enjoy—though not to the extent that he's regarded as a pedo) such as: envy a child/envy his past-self (re-experiencing a time in his life he wouldn't have the memories to appreciate in retrospect), like the idea of being infantilised, being doted on by a "mother"-like figure, being doted on by a proxy for his actual mother, get off on the humiliation, etc.

TLDR: It could have a pedo-basis, but it could also be any number of things. He probably doesn't want to be labelled as a pedo—a battle he knows he'll lose because to some people denial is proof of the accusation made—but one of his paraphilias has been disparaged and so he needs to defend it, or not be lumped in with one of the "bad ones".
 
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