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So glad we could definitively answer the Sissy Hypno question here in the KINKiwis thread.

Now, can we figure findom? Why is it so arousing to paypig a stranger?
If I had to guess, it's an extension of degradation stuff. "You're disgusting, you're worthless" -> "the only value you have is money/material possessions incidental to who you are as a person." Think of it like a different, financially-aligned flavor of "the only use you have is being a hole for my cock"
 
This thread has convinced me that contraceptives need to be banned. Imagine how funny it would be if you were doing some of the weird shit that OP mentioned and got a kid from it.
 
This thread has convinced me that contraceptives need to be banned. Imagine how funny it would be if you were doing some of the weird shit that OP mentioned and got a kid from it.
This has great movie potential. Imagine a movie that's premise is that two freaky niggas got each other pregnant and are doomed to have children in 9 months. Can't have an abortion, because that's illegal.
The man can start off as a BDSM submissive chastity sissification twink that needs to man up in order to protect his child from inner-city thugs. It can be like Karate Kid, with some suspicious old guy teaching him how to fight and be strong, but the lessons that he learns also teach him to stop being a faggot.
The girl can start off as a ABDL feeder sadist. She can go on an epic journey where trains to climb a mountain in order to talk to a buddist monk waiting on top that teaches her the art of meditation, and uses ancient oriental magic to rewire her brain into not viewing diapers as sexual. Or maybe she would find a priest that uses ancient kabbalic magic to expell diaper demons from her.
HOLY SHIT I WOULD MAKE A GREAT MOVIE DIRECTOR. @Hollywood hire me.
 
Degrading, giving them a lot of power over you
If I had to guess, it's an extension of degradation stuff. "You're disgusting, you're worthless" -> "the only value you have is money/material possessions incidental to who you are as a person." Think of it like a different, financially-aligned flavor of "the only use you have is being a hole for my cock"
While this is probably the most common aspect of it, I can see a matriarchal/worship side to it without specifically being about degradation. I.e. "I'm so in love with/obsessed with/subservient to you that I'll give you anything you want (money)".

I can also see it as an extension of paying a professional domme (read: hooker) but specifically sexualizing the payment as part of the experience.
 
While this is probably the most common aspect of it, I can see a matriarchal/worship side to it without specifically being about degradation. I.e. "I'm so in love with/obsessed with/subservient to you that I'll give you anything you want (money)".
Definitely, but there is still a distinction to be made between someone doing that because they're a simp who wants attention versus doing that because they get aroused by having their bank accounts drained. I think the dom explicitly including a sexual component to it is obviously a pretty good indicator, but yeah there are certainly some people who would get sexual gratification even without a lewd component being part of the exchange.

For a lot of people who give money to the object of their affection in the hopes of getting attention, though, there is not really any sort of gratification side to it, sexual or otherwise. At that point, it's mainly just an extension of reaching out via chat messages, tweets, what have you- a more desparate and harder-to-ignore way of getting attention that is more an act of desparation than anything else. Of course, I'm absolutely definitely not speaking from experience here, not at all, but those are my thoughts on it.
 
I am a Jay, a Niel at worst.
Neil is the best one to be compared to because he's just a bit dim but otherwise a pretty decent lad, at at least he didn't call you a Simon.

Well, Gilbert is actually the best, but that's a very specific kind of energy that you definitively don't have.
 
This thread has convinced me that contraceptives need to be banned. Imagine how funny it would be if you were doing some of the weird shit that OP mentioned and got a kid from it.
gooning to sissy hypno while wearing fursuits, chastity cages and buttplugs doesn't result in pregnancy, contraceptives or not
 
Would Findom still be a fetish if we were communists instead of capitalists?

Would there be men lining up to give their bread rations away to women, and then jerk off while starving?
 
from the gays ive talked to this is true, many of them like to look at art or read something erotic and imagine an expansion of said media to include themselves.
Class 2 were strict heterosexuals (0.00 endorsement for lesbian pornography) and it hypothesises the increased romanticism with a trend seen in women's romance literature (i.e. socially acceptable smut) which points to a greater distance between themselves and the porn they consume. Personally I don't think "Girl who regrets having sex after a drunken tryst isn't a victim" = supporting rape but I digress. It points out how common aggressive male leads in romance fiction is.
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They were also disinclined towards "amateur" content i.e. non-professional pornography compared to the other classes.
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This means they prefer the people on screen to either know what they're doing or have it be more explicit that the content they're consuming is strictly performative/acted. Class 4 preferred rough sex and hardcore content but was the least inclined to amateur content, meaning they want to be of the mindset that the content is acted, there's no "real" harm being done.

One reason I kept stressing different homosexual types is because you can find a lot of overlap between the sexes and orientations it's just correlating certain attributes.

Despite lesbian porn displaying increased aggression, it was consumed by Class 3 (who dislikes aggressive porn) and rarely if at all consumed by Class 4 (who likes aggressive porn)
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Aggression and Pleasure in Opposite-Sex and Same-Sex Mainstream Online Pornography: A Comparative Content Analysis of Dyadic Scenes
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Gay and lesbian porn tended to display more frequent aggression or more frequent affection—which represents the two facets of homosexuality as I've posited previously: emotional Homosexuals and fetishist homosexuals. The former have a more idealised/romanticised view of sexuality whereas the latter are more sensory/hedonist.

Whilst on the subject of women on porn, another facet of that study is a surprising number of them enjoyed lesbian porn. This tracks with how women interact with porn compared to men.
Firstly, when it comes to how often women consume porn, you get a wide range of stats but amongst younger women they appear more likely to consume it, but probably not to the same quantity as men:
When you use a broader age range you get fewer women consumers. (54% 16-69)
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Narrow it down you get a higher consumers (80% 18-30)
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(Men consume more porn often in either sample.)

According to Xhamster, there's a direct correlation between frequent porn consumption and bisexuality amongst men but not women. (Big issue I suppose is the source of Xhamster you do have suppose that the female survey takers are actually female and not trans but let's take it in its best possible light for now since you'll never get this sort of study IRL)
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Anyway: there was a less noticeable correlation between female bisexuality than male bisexuality with frequent porn consumption according to Xhamster, but the actual numbers are surprising. According to Xhamster 38% of female porn consumers were bisexual, which is twice as likely as men (19%). But add on the 6% Lesbians, than that means just under half of all female porn consumers are sexually aroused by the same sex at 44% vs 56% hetero. For men, 25% of porn consumers are bisexual/homosexual according to xhamster.
Bisexuality is an odd chestnut because it's either
1. far more prevalent than straight up gay or lesbianism, but it's so insignificant to the individual they don't bother considering themselves as such (a guy who calls himself straight but still masturbates to feminine men isn't a strict heterosexual but might still regard himself as such)
2. it's the sexuality people are most likely to desist from or least likely to act on IRL. (similar to above, masturbation or arousal to specific content/scenarios doesn't necessarily translate into committing IRL action)
Possibly both. If more than half the male and female population consumes porn, even once a week, then there's a greater than none-zero percent that the actual portion of bisexuals (weak or fully committed) is greater than the gay and lesbian population combined.

The Xhamster data also correlates with the data seen in the other study (Class 1 i.e. "the coomers")
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It seems that any frequency porn consumption for women at all is a coinflip on turning them bi (internalised or fleeting), but they might do the reverse of the phenomena you see in some men. Men who consume some variation of bisexual/homosexual pornography might not see themselves as any shade of bisexual whereas women are more likely to say they are regardless of how committed they are to the label. (Yes, the higher number of LGBT amongst zoomers, especially bisexual women, could be signalling increased porn consumption, though it correlates to 20% male bisexuality and close to 40% female bisexuality)


Porn consumption did not correlate to any increase in homosexuality according to Xhamster, but given strict monosexual homosexuals (strict gays and lesbians) require more significant reinforcement than being bisexual (the most passive orientation possibly, since sexual intensity isn't particularly pronounced one way or the other) that could—potentially—point to one of two things:
1) Passive porn consumption is less of a factor in the nurturing of homosexuals than is reckoned (bisexual -> homosexual pipeline =/= maturing into adulthood as a homosexual) which I personally think is true, even if it might cover a non-insignificant number.
2) homosexuality is set during adolescence for the majority leading to less deviation from same-sex attraction than is seen in formerly heterosexual men veering into temporary/full-on bisexuality

Men who consumed porn once a week composed 10% of male bisexuals whereas frequent daily consumers rose to 27%. This has some actual IRL merit.

Hypersexuallity in adolescents directly correlates to increased likelihood of pre-adult sexual activity and in men can correlate with bisexuality very closely.

When you narrow the age brackets (as seen above) younger people were much more likely to consume porn. Men appear more likely to act on these impulses, but given the pronounced bisexuality in women when it comes to porn, maybe women are more influenced by less consumption than men?

Regardless: men are more likely to be high consumers of porn thus hypersexual, meaning they are more prone to letting porn and sexual fantasy occupy their thoughts resulting in IRL action.

Men exposed to a lot of pornography in adolescence were twice as likely to have had sex with a friend—gender non-specified—but 75% of the sample had sexual intercourse. (the friend stat is just an estimate however)
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(From Anna's archive of the above paper)
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(30% of the men asked considered themselves "high consumers" compared to 2% of women)
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People who consumed porn were less likely to believe that they were personally affected by it.

High consumers were much more likely to fantasise than low consumers, which tracks with hypersexuality, however sexual activity appeared negligible (low and high were equally likely to have had intercourse) and sexual activity by both sexes were more or less comparable.
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There's a remark that high porn consumers were more likely to have had sex at a younger age ("Sexual debut"), also alongside a crude OR pointing to high consumers being almost twice as likely to engage in anal intercourse, group sex, and more likely to have intercourse with a friend
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In another study comparing sexual behavior patterns among men who have sex with men and heterosexual men and women, former group was more likely to have had sex at younger ages (correlating with the high-use porn consumers above)
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(MSM = Men who had sex with men/Urban Men’s Health Study (UMHS)/Seattle surveys (SEA))
From Anna's archive:
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This points to earlier sexual activity having correlation with bi or homosexuality (though probably the former, given many of the MSMs had their first sexual experience with women)
 
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Now, can we figure findom? Why is it so arousing to paypig a stranger?
Overtly its degrading, but covertly the person being "dominated" sees themselves as being depended on by the "dominator," which is a sort of the implicit understanding. It's comparable to the "sugar dating".
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Findom is a sexual escalation of this dynamic from a long-distance POV where the "paypig" occupies both a submissive yet controlling position. If the person being given money has multiple "paypigs" then this is a way to extract some sort of gratification from the "relationship" without 1:1 intimacy.

Besides the obvious degradation elements, the forfeiture of power is also one of the weakest conceptually (just don't give them money, stupid) yet it simultaneously has a very strong combination of chemicals that reinforce it. Dopamine from sexual gratification, and oxytocin.
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The Helper's High describes the mood boost we feel when giving selflessly in the moment.
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(Anna's Archive):
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Essentially, the act of giving money for no material or immediate return releases oxytocin, meaning the individual feels positively about both the act itself and the recipient i.e. Oxytocin from the act of giving itself.

From the Helper's High paper, merely thinking about the act is enough to stimulate the same parts of the brain that activate when thinking of food and sex (which also answers any possible questions relating to food fetishes).
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When "paypigs" give money, even thinking of a hypothetical reward for such can be just as stimulating as receiving the reward itself. from the sexual gratification of accompanying degradation. This is why it feels particularly insidious I suppose. In a way, Findom is a sexual escalation of parasocialism given this is how parasocialism cements in the first place. Giving money in a "charitable" (money without expectation of reward) context is more likely to foster a one-sided connection between giver and recipient. If you wonder how/why certain lolcows still have fans/followers in spite of everything, you can't underestimate how strongly oxytocin binds them to the recipient. That's part of the insidious-feeling. The dominated is seeking sexual gratification from the human ability to feel good from charity, and the dominator is taking advantage of the one-sided connection the dominated feels towards them.

This is also why in "sugar dating," older partners don't expect or even want for sex (sometimes) because, in a crude sort of way, they're effectively paying someone to act as a pseudo-parent to them.

Sometimes though, both paypigs/sugar-daddies symbiotically enabling more covertly selfish or ego-driven personalities. There's overlap with the "Dark Triad" or some forms of narcissistic personality disorder.
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(The people who have many "paypigs" under them are possibly high-functioning narcissists)

Some sugar daddied/"paypigs" may give money because they are "covert/vulnerable narcissists" with some form of dependency disorder.
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This can be mirrored in the findoms themselves, especially if they're acting out of a dependency of outside validation i.e. their "paypigs" are how they judge their own self-worth—though this can apply to anyone online who equates their personal value with their follower count or how much money they get from fans.

Milton's narcissistic sub-types can make the interplay between differing narcissist types clearer.
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"Paypigs" = Normal narcissist, Elitist narcissist (their perceived-real association to recipient makes them feel "special")
Findominators = Amorous narcissist, Unprincipled narcissist, Compensatory narcissist
 
have a more positive/healthy sexual imagination
I wonder how aphantasia factors into that. I can't picture an apple in my head so I need to gape my asshole to cum? Also is this some official shit saying that actually a decent amount of '''''''gay'''''''' people are just straight men with a cock fetish?
This thread has convinced me that contraceptives need to be banned. Imagine how funny it would be if you were doing some of the weird shit that OP mentioned and got a kid from it.
I have tried my hardest and I can confirm that you cannot impregnate a foot. The closest I have gotten to being pregnant is an eye infection from being pissed on but I don't think that counts.

The more you post the more I think you could very easily chart every fetish on some sort of 3d graph or one of those jrpg octagon area graphs. It seems that almost every fetish in some way falls into a broader category and is just expressing itself in a different way. Obviously partialism and material fetishes, masochistic and sadistic, then you have loss of control stuff, there's idk if you'd call it a subgroup of material fetishism or the other way around but like tactile fetishism that's about the physical feeling of anything like mud and that sort of shit not just specific types of tailoring. There's some sort of fantasy fetishism stuff like giantess or vore where it's just aphantasiaphobic for the most part. Then there's something like personality removal where the fetish is to become someone/thing else like furries or abdl or drones and kigus. There's already olfactorphilias I think it's called and I'd say that in some ways bodily fluid fetishism is somewhat in the same broader grouping as that like yea I like smelling feet so I also like sweat and I like the smell of piss and so I like drinking it too.

Basically you know how life is split into 5 groups that are then split into hundreds of subgroups beyond that. You could do that for fetishes instead of having trees and fish in the same group. Like how likely is someone who has some sort of tactile fetishism going to suddenly decide that they want to be pegged? Kinda like how giantess stuff always leads to vore or foot stuff but hardly ever leads to wanting to piss yourself.
Can you do an effortpost on face sitting next?
Please don't. It's hard to use my mouse left handed and it's hard to read long posts when the entire screen is shaking.
 
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