VTuber Kirsche Verstahl - Host of Foxu News and anti-BRIDGE activist.

[Disdainer of the Plebs]

smugalana's model itself is pretty darn good yeah, but what really makes it stand out to me is the absolutely masterful rigging, everything is weighted ridiculously well and she's really good at controlling it. i can honestly think of only one other that i've seen that impresses me more, the vtuber/artist herself doesn't even stream and the rigger's own model is garbage in comparison, but hot damn does he know his way around the tools

I'm with @UtadaWasabi2, Alana has the better model (the ears are both a work of art and a technical marvel), but at least from what I can tell from Alana's clips youtube feeds me, Kirsche is by far the more interesting presenter. I don't watch Alana live though, on account of the fact that I don't go on twitch. She seems sort of like Asmongold, but an anime girl.

Maybe now that Kirsche has money and connections and shit, she can find a rigger who can be trusted to do a good job and not disappear.

 

[Molag Bal]

There is, in fact, a strong correlation between trooning and crippling drug addiction. It's not an either/or.

I've always wondered about that. Without exception, every single tranny where I know their drug use status, has prior to turning gay/trooning out being addicted to weed, SSRIs or some other opiate. There are no sober trannies.
At the same time, there has always been some disconnect between how I perceive them (and I would assume others do as well) and they perceive each other. Where they

1. Can emulate attraction to each other in a way that would induce revulsion and disgust in anyone else.
2. Don't see at all how jarringly un-female they look despite their dresses and wigs.

I have the impression that the drugs they take somehow disable the part in their brain that lets you distinguish men from women. And if this impression is true, if they could quit their addictions, the faggotry would stop as well.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

I've always wondered about that. Without exception, every single tranny where I know their drug use status, has prior to turning gay/trooning out being addicted to weed, SSRIs or some other opiate. There are no sober trannies.
At the same time, there has always been some disconnect between how I perceive them (and I would assume others do as well) and they perceive each other. Where they

1. Can emulate attraction to each other in a way that would induce revulsion and disgust in anyone else.
2. Don't see at all how jarringly un-female they look despite their dresses and wigs.

I have the impression that the drugs they take somehow disable the part in their brain that lets you distinguish men from women. And if this impression is true, if they could quit their addictions, the faggotry would stop as well.

It's a population that is, by definition, 100% mentally ill.

 

[Chuck 'n Geck]

It's a population that is, by definition, 100% mentally ill.

It's a population that is mentally ill, in a movement that not only glorifies but also repeatedly tries to normalise mental illnesses.

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I like Alana's model a lot but I think Kirsche's model from the Jim stream is 1000% better than her old 3d model and better than Alana's. Just a shame she got screw like 3 or 4 times over before she got that model.

I'll bite a bit: the design is peak, but the facials feel kinda dull - you know, the first thing you wanna look at on the vtuber model, after boobs. Even if summer Kirsche 3D had the "angy" and "wow" anime effects trigger seemingly at random, it's at its' best whenever she laughs. Which, foxu being foxu, happens at least once in three minutes. Conversely, anchor Kirsche looks like she's half asleep 99% of the time.

I agree though, she does need an even better model.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

I've always wondered about that. Without exception, every single tranny where I know their drug use status, has prior to turning gay/trooning out being addicted to weed, SSRIs or some other opiate. There are no sober trannies.

I have the impression that the drugs they take somehow disable the part in their brain that lets you distinguish men from women.

I used to hang out with users back in my younger days. No junkies hanging out in alley ways, just your standard rec use but still managed to keep their life somewhat together types (alot who worked in the weed industry for example). Its the same thing as with skater and gamer culture, very inclusive group that didn't have a problem with anyone as long as you had a common ground (420 in this case) that gets taken over and then hits critical overflow where they are the dominate force.

Its really a lesson in why gate keeping your community is important.

 

[DarkSonicPhil]

Welp, a bunch of respect i've had for kirsche and her work against bridge is damaged from the past hour of this stream

"Muh anime racism!" niGGA MAYbe if you weren't watching the most jailbait pedo stream shit i've seen all year amongst many other things people would be more partial with you, maybe it's not all to do with you being a vtuber/anime fox thing, maybe you oughta think twice before doing that!
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>nearly 140 THOUSAND people waiting for the stream

I still don't go with null's take about her and loli stuff in the april fools stream, I was there when it happened and it didn't come to me as anything other than edgy quips
But holy shit get a clue, woman.

I look forward to her eventual transition to lolcow-dom. She may end up as Turning Point USA’s first V-Tuber, she even hates “Nazis” too!

 

[whatsupwthat]

I look forward to her eventual transition to lolcow-dom. She may end up as Turning Point USA’s first V-Tuber, she even hates “Nazis” too!

Damn this nigga retarded...

 

[Ed Special]

I look forward to her eventual transition to lolcow-dom. She may end up as Turning Point USA’s first V-Tuber, she even hates “Nazis” too!

Attention threadshitting alog tourist:

Also, fuck're you on about, putting "Nazis" in airquotes? The NSDAP was every bit as full of hardcore drug addicts and dysgenic retards as every group in the US proclaiming themselves as Nazis, and their beliefs all align. Leaded gasoline isn't lemonade, son, you're not supposed to drink it.
EDIT:

Damn this nigga retarded...

He's so retarded he straight up admitted in another thread he's just here as a shitstirrer. Given the reacts handed out mere minutes after his threadban, and their similar writing styles, I think he's Kiwi Andy's alt.

 

[FlawlessCowboy]

Can someone please explain the terminology to me? I want to precisely understand what the sperging is about, so please correct me if I am off base here. People tend to be a bit sloppy with the terminology so I get confused.

To my knowledge:
A loli is simply a prepubescent girl in anime. This is morally neutral, as far as I understand. An example is the two sisters from Totoro are lolis. They are not depicted in an inappropriate manner, and are therefore not problematic.
A lolicon is a person sick fuck who gets their jollies from ogling lolis or rendering lolis in inappropriately sexual manners, inappropriate states of undress, and inappropriately lewd situations, and is what people are rightfully mad about. People Sick Fucks like this should be beaten with sticks and then jailed.

Assuming my understanding is correct, I believe the image the newfag above is complaining about is not "over the line," rather it appears to be simply beach attire. This being said, I did not watch the stream today, therefore I may be missing important context. What I suspect is more likely is that we have a new thread-shitter.

Did I miss anything?

The term partially or wholly comes from the book Lolita, which I had to read for a college course by the French Philosopher-type of Feminist teacher (They want children to be pimped out, unironically). The entire book is an unreliable narrator lusting after his step-daughter, kidnaps her after her mother finds his notebook, rapes her, makes her his daughter wife until she is kidnapped by a pornographer, and both of them die (execution after getting back at the pornographer and the daughter during birth). The book is creepy and it kind of gives a bit too much sympathy for the protagonist due to being written by a Russian autist. The background for why the protagonist is fucked in the head is that his childhood crush died of a wasting disease and his step-daughter (he marries her mother in order to get close to her) resembles his friend. The step-daughters name isn't even Lolita, it's Dolores. He calls her Lolita. He calls girls like her nymphettes which are like 8-13 and the protagonist is a pedophile.

I don't 100% know the origin for the Japs, but I believe it's based on the book.

The protagonist in the book lusts after young girls. He calls them nymphettes and there are a few scenes where you get the author writing from the perspective of a man who is attracted to 7-12 year olds. I remember at multiple points going what the fuck.

 

[Scarthew]

Can someone please explain the terminology to me? I want to precisely understand what the sperging is about, so please correct me if I am off base here. People tend to be a bit sloppy with the terminology so I get confused.

To my knowledge:
A loli is simply a prepubescent girl in anime. This is morally neutral, as far as I understand. An example is the two sisters from Totoro are lolis. They are not depicted in an inappropriate manner, and are therefore not problematic.
A lolicon is a person sick fuck who gets their jollies from ogling lolis or rendering lolis in inappropriately sexual manners, inappropriate states of undress, and inappropriately lewd situations, and is what people are rightfully mad about. People Sick Fucks like this should be beaten with sticks and then jailed.

Assuming my understanding is correct, I believe the image the newfag above is complaining about is not "over the line," rather it appears to be simply beach attire. This being said, I did not watch the stream today, therefore I may be missing important context. What I suspect is more likely is that we have a new thread-shitter.

Did I miss anything?

Loli is a loan word from lolita a book or movie about a guy attracted to his girlfriends underage daughter. Lolicon is a loan conjuctive of loli and conplex.

Now in theory words like lolicon are a bit more innocent than they seem. A siscon or brocon might be a person overly protective or doting of their younger sibling for example. But I feel like is just like when a furry says that being a furry is "appreciating anthro art".

However that is only in Japan and only how it started, in English the word is unambiguously a fettish word referring to smaller under developed physical features.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Can someone please explain the terminology to me? I want to precisely understand what the sperging is about, so please correct me if I am off base here. People tend to be a bit sloppy with the terminology so I get confused.

Just to elaborate on a common point of confusion others haven't touched yet:

There's also lolita fashion in Japan, which is a subculture of late teens and (usually) young adults wearing incredibly frilly, cutesy and elaborate pleated dresses vaguely inspired by Victorian fashion. Wigs/dye and makeup to match, of course. There's a good deal of the usual Japanese youth worship going on there, particularly with some of the more candy-pink varieties, but it's by and large just women dressing up.



But since the names are the same, and more than a few little girls in anime and manga also wear those outfits because some people are just obsessed with drawing lace, I guess, this subculture sometimes also gets rolled into lolicon.

 

[Ed Special]

Can you retards please kindly go be faggots about lolicons and anti-lolicons in a designated shitting thread?

 

[Chuck 'n Geck]

I have the impression that the drugs they take somehow disable the part in their brain that lets you distinguish men from women. And if this impression is true, if they could quit their addictions, the faggotry would stop as well.

I'll be honest, I'm... not quite sure if it's entirely drug-related. It may very well be a factor, but out of all troons I've used to talk to, I haven't seen them admit, or imply, they were regularly doing weed - I'm only aware of a single faggot ally who actually did it. So, AGP very well could be triggered by something else entirely - likely bad genetics and arrested development. I'm not a doctor, tho, so grain of salt.

 

[Disdainer of the Plebs]

I'll be honest, I'm... not quite sure if it's entirely drug-related. It may very well be a factor, but out of all troons I've used to talk to, I haven't seen them admit, or imply, they were regularly doing weed - I'm only aware of a single faggot ally who actually did it. So, AGP very well could be triggered by something else entirely - likely bad genetics and arrested development. I'm not a doctor, tho, so grain of salt.

My personal theory on why people like this exists is that when something that really fucks you up happens (getting molested, almost dying, your kid dies, general tragedy, et cetera), you pick a coping mechanism. Some are more destructive than others and make getting fucked up worse. I call it "spinning the degeneracy" wheel. Sometimes you end up doing a bunch of drugs, sometimes you end up with weird fetishes, sometimes you end up starting fights, sometimes you end up becoming a runner. So some poor kid gets molested and rolls AGP is one of those destructive degeneracies. We just noticed this particular fetish spread over the past decade because now in English speaking world, we're compelled to indulge them by law or school/workplace code of conduct.

Can you retards please kindly go be faggots about lolicons and anti-lolicons in a designated shitting thread?

Sorry, my autistic desire to know more from a week ago when the Gura/Saba stream happened, but before the creation of the shitting thread is apparently still spiraling. I gave the guy a clock.

Also, fuck're you on about, putting "Nazis" in airquotes? The NSDAP was every bit as full of hardcore drug addicts and dysgenic retards as every group in the US proclaiming themselves as Nazis, and their beliefs all align. Leaded gasoline isn't lemonade, son, you're not supposed to drink it.

Oh boy methamphetaminesPervitin! Nazis love methamphetaminesPervitin.

 

[Chuck 'n Geck]

So some poor kid gets molested and rolls AGP is one of those destructive degeneracies. We just noticed this particular fetish spread over the past decade because now in English speaking world, we're compelled to indulge them by law or school/workplace code of conduct.

Fair point! Though I'm also lowkey wondering how many troons/allies weren't significantly traumatised during their childhood and just came out extra spoiled from living in Commiefornia, or something.

Or, again, they came out like that through bad genetics and arrested development combined.

 

[Sebben Crudele II]

Last thing about the name Lolita in the book, this isn't really because I read it (I honestly haven't) but because nobody seems to know this: Lola is a common nickname for women named Dolores. Lolita is just a diminutive of that. That's where the nickname in the book comes from.

Japan adopted the word lolita to refer to cute and feminine because they associated the girl in the book with that. They just used the name of the character because she dressed cute and feminine too. That's all there is to it.

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[oh no im late for school]

Fair point! Though I'm also lowkey wondering how many troons/allies weren't significantly traumatised during their childhood and just came out extra spoiled from living in Commiefornia, or something.

Or, again, they came out like that through bad genetics and arrested development combined.

so there's a few ways to peel back the onion layers on this though i'm not entirely sure here is the place to do so. but there've been studies that point to a handful of commonalities that at occur at higher rates during childhood for troons. things like abnormal prenatal hormonal exposure, receiving brain damage, being raised by a mother with borderline personality disorder, being the victim of emotional, physical or sexual abuse, they're all likely ingredients that occur at rates higher in this population than average. some of the studies like the one on bpd moms are pretty old (1990 i think?), and don't control for subsequent, or even contemporary, distinctions between what we'd call a transsexual versus transgender, or hsts versus agp, those who suffer from gender dysphoria versus those who have other, related diagnosable condition, yada yada yada. genetics more than likely play a role too but there's really only one or two doctors who actually put any time into trying to figure out how specific genes play into how receptors behave and how that could influence developmental abnormalities in early life that lend themselves to trooning. the science has been steered away from actually trying to figure this stuff out because tptb don't want people coming to the conclusion that well gee wiz maybe all the self-identified narcissists who go apeshit when someone misgenders them on the street aren't so hecking valid afterall. and oddly enough, like a lot of these things don't account for pooners at all either, because there's actually far, far less science that supports the idea of the brain fucking up in reverse like that, and if they ever looked into how trooning and pooning differ you'd probably find a way to distinguish between the nature causes and the nurture causes since pooners are more than likely 100% nurture

tl;dr: yes, but wait there's more!

 

[Disdainer of the Plebs]

Fair point! Though I'm also lowkey wondering how many troons/allies weren't significantly traumatised during their childhood and just came out extra spoiled from living in Commiefornia, or something.

Or, again, they came out like that through bad genetics and arrested development combined.

The part of my hypothesis that I'm still working on is if your life is too easy, you also spin the degeneracy wheel, if only because you're bored and life is too easy. I've seen plenty of people ruin the business/property/fortune they inherited because they were a little nepo baby shit who thought it would be fun to take drugs and or go to orgies. Shit, one of them is probably on the front page of this website right now!

Edit: As of 21:23 UTC, there are two spoiled, degenerate nepo baby shits on the front page (Maldavius and Balldo):

 

[Tetragrammaton]

My personal theory on why people like this exists is that when something that really fucks you up happens (getting molested, almost dying, your kid dies, general tragedy, et cetera), you pick a coping mechanism. Some are more destructive than others and make getting fucked up worse. I call it "spinning the degeneracy" wheel. Sometimes you end up doing a bunch of drugs, sometimes you end up with weird fetishes, sometimes you end up starting fights, sometimes you end up becoming a runner. So some poor kid gets molested and rolls AGP is one of those destructive degeneracies. We just noticed this particular fetish spread over the past decade because now in English speaking world, we're compelled to indulge them by law or school/workplace code of conduct.

i think the spinning the wheel part you mention is just escapism. they are trying to escape from that bad event by pretending to be an entirely separate person which is why dead names are a thing because even if timmy got raped edith lilith is a just a cute smol innocent girl whos just living her best life and mysteriously has no memory of when they were 5 years old. its like how war vets will often turn to drugs and alcohol to cope with ptsd.

humans in general seem to have something in them that breaks if they suffer a high enough level of trauma that makes them not want to be who they are anymore and find something to either cover up or distract them from their true self.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

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For the record this is Agatha Christie and Hitler
It also shit on Hemmingway(87), Tolkien (9,