VTuber Kirsche Verstahl - Host of Foxu News and anti-BRIDGE activist.

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I don't think Nikandros is sweeping for Hasan, I think he's fallen victim to this "look at how fair I am, I'm having a nuanced take about someone across the aisle from me" trap. No one gives a fuck and it doesn't make you seem more reasonable to most people.
 
nelly98 said:
I don't think Nikandros is sweeping for Hasan, I think he's fallen victim to this "look at how fair I am, I'm having a nuanced take about someone across the aisle from me" trap. No one gives a fuck and it doesn't make you seem more reasonable to most people.
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Calling someone out for EPIing millions of children on the internet and facilitating grooming on your trooncord server (with proof) will usually have "most people" be on your side. Sweeping and running defense for the EPI groomer kike in question though, is usually a surefire way of having the public be against you. I don't know what you're even trying to say with this.
iScream into the void said:
Nah, he went after Leaflit first with this absolute banger of a tweet (a), really goes to illustrate my point that chimping out like a nigger isn't going to get people hesitant to watch your video, to watch your video. Additionally, a good number of his most recent tweets is quoting Leaflit and continuing to act like a nigger upset he didn't get what he wants.
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This has nothing to do with kirsche. Why don't you post this in the leaflit thread?
Funnily enough it was leaflit who started chimping out and crying wolf first lol.
 
Thomas Talus said:
Interesting deployment of passive voice. Who's doing the telling? If the answer is "/vt/ randos", you ought to know the answer to your question without needing to ask.
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No, its members of the kirserver. It confirmed my biases so i wanted to verify it.

iScream into the void said:
Someone's mad he got banned, lmao.
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Not wrong. I was banned for complaining that someone was using the "yt" slur in main chat
 
W R A C K D O O R A N said:
I'm being told that Kirsche server mods have ban quotas because she had a problem with past mods not doing their job. Is there any truth to this?
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W R A C K D O O R A N said:
No, its members of the kirserver. It confirmed my biases so i wanted to verify it.


Not wrong. I was banned for complaining that someone was using the "yt" slur in main chat
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The Kircord server is one of the most lax servers with talking I've ever seen. The only rules are basically "Don't say slurs", "Don't Fedpost", and "Don't be an arguementative sperg". Considering you're literally going on Kiwifarms to bitch about it, I've got an idea on which rule you broke.
 
reinigen said:
The Kircord server is one of the most lax servers with talking I've ever seen. The only rules are basically "Don't say slurs", "Don't Fedpost", and "Don't be an arguementative sperg". Considering you're literally going on Kiwifarms to bitch about it, I've got an idea on which rule you broke.
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Probably the sperg one. But thats not actually written out in the rules of the server. In fact, rule one heavily implies that as long as youre respectful about it you can ask the mods questions.

` Freedom of Speech. I do not wish to hamper anyone's ability to speak, or make people feel like big brother is always watching and they're one wrong move from getting hammered out of here. Just be respectful of other members, and do not promote any kind of hate crimes and you're gucci. We are still very much beholden to discord's tos, as much as I hate how worse it gets year after year`

Now maybe im the retard, its very much a possibility. this is far from the first time something like this has happened, but "Hey if youre allowed to use the 'yt' slur in certain contexts can you use other slurs depending on contexts" in the bother-mods-here-tickets channels doesnt seem particularly disrespectful.


Maybe I'm wrong, maybe that is some other social faux pas not explicitly stated or something,

Also in fairness, I came to the farms because I wanted to know if there was any truth to the rumor i heard. explicitly coming here to bitch about a ban that none of you have control over seems like a waste of effort. I only talk about it now because thats where the conversation went. I'm an open book my guy.
 
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I just happened to be listening to Kirsche live, not even for a-log, and a spergout happened to break out in chat has extracted a deeper opinion on the Harmful/Nikandros vs Leaflit debacle. Honestly, the response as someone who primarily watches Harmful.

Quick rough clip that I might improve later, but this initial chunk is probably everything you need to know. I'm watching live and there's a few intermittent additions, if anything's important I'll add it later. The stream's still live right now.

Discussion begins at about 59:50. There's over 20m of total discussion but you can get a good idea in like 5 minutes.
Watching further, it seems the last mention is around 1:30:00 (a bit beyond what's clipped here) when she actually transitions into the next topic, though that last 10-15m starts to let other topics through. I've missed some relevant more praise for Harmful and stuff like that and may come back to it, but this ~20m is more than enough to get the idea.


  • Someone mentions getting annoyed at a ban related to slurs (@W R A C K D O O R A N?)
  • A Harmful sperg is causing issues in the Discord "just for saying minors shouldn't be in the same discord as adults sharing porn"
  • Hurtful, hateful Harmful slander with the same tone as the VTuber whiteknights on Twitter
  • Some people even seem to be taking jabs at Kirsche for standing by Harmful! for shame.
  • Nux defenders, eww
  • Kirsche says she likes Harmful, he's usually right on, and from what she's seen he's right on this one
  • Makes it clear she's said on stream and directly to Leaflit that minors shouldn't be in her server
  • Doubles down on "no minors in your Discord server", later following with an example "If a you're a creator whose audience is minors, don't have a Discord"
  • Expresses dislike of Nikandros (can't blame her after he flew out guns blazing without a good reason, though it was really funny)
EDIT: Coming back to this later, here are some more comprehensive timestamps from kaybe9797 on YouTube including some points I forgot in my summary:
52:00 Kirsche's understanding of the leaflit situation and what she said to Leaflit
54:02 Kirsche doesn't really participate in her discord, but the actions of her moderators acting poorly reflects on her - Kirsche has had to let go of moderators for some of their actions
55:40 You can't claim no accountability when it's your moderators - if you want no accountability, you have to completely cut ties and not be in the server
57:25 Explaining a Kafka trap
59:11 Discord ticket system
1:01:03 There is no argument for minors being in an adult community space
1:02:23 Loop: Kirsche doesn't want minors online, but she also doesn't want internet ID, parents just need to parent better
1:02:37 hic
1:03:43 Kirsche really hates the mentality that being against online ID makes you a pedo - even discounting all the security issues, she just doesn't want these companies holding that much information about people
1:06:18 If you are a content creator that makes content for a younger audience, you just never make a community discord
1:11:43 hic x2
1:12:10 recapping the situation
1:13:35 When you start lobbing insults, people are going to start completely ignoring everything you're saying - while that mentality makes sense, it can make you start defending things you really shouldn't
1:16:18 Different levels of Kircord mods
1:19:00 Autism noises
1:21:11 Just because we may have had access to things we shouldn't have, that doesn't mean you shouldn't care now
1:24:16 Lore: Why Harmful Opinions is called Hurtful Onions by Kirsche
1:25:44 Kirsche explaining her view of Harmful Opinions and why she trusts him
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Honestly, this makes me think Nikandros going nuclear at Kirsche right off was a mistake, and she could have actually joined the cause and gotten things done faster if he didn't immediately sperg out. It seems like Kirsche might actually be a big reason Leaflit actually fixed her shit!
 
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Kircord was ok but I had to leave cause the users were way too into defending specific depictions. I even remember one dude I was talking with admitted there is a population that is into pedophilia and that it was fine. But yea after them posting contant crying emojis when saba got revealed that was the last straw for me there. Dont get me wrong her coverage of shit like bridge is informative and id take her news over quarter pounder any day but yea her discords def not it.
 
I mean I'm just saying said:
Someone mentions getting annoyed at a ban related to slurs (@W R A C K D O O R A N?)
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Surprisingly no, I was in the chat though. I did do a double take when someone mentioned the whole slurs thing because i was planning to bring it up at some point

I mean I'm just saying said:
A Harmful sperg is causing issues in the Discord "just for saying minors shouldn't be in the same discord as adults sharing porn"
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That, might have been me, I was talking in the Kick chat and making that case, and Kir saw me at an inopportune time and because i might genuinely be retarded i couldnt figure out how to do replies on mobile on kick. I replied to another user that was making the case that Harmful Opinions was a dishonest asshole for saying leaflit should keep minors out of her discord server and my reply was something along the lines of "I think its completely reasonable to not allow minors in a place where porn is shared and I dont think my position is the minority one."

I continued arguing with this guy for like 15 minutes because I might genuinely be retarded and didnt know that stream chat is primarily for interacting with the streamer, not for interacting with other people in stream chat, which im pretty sure is why i was banned from stream chat. Which was probably deserved as it took a person who actually knew me to explain that was poor chat etiquette and I absolutely would have spent the entire stream arguing with him about how its not dishonest to call a server a porn server if your position on the topic is "Any amount of porn being allowed in the server makes it a porn server" as a matter of values
 
W R A C K D O O R A N said:
That, might have been me [...] my reply was something along the lines of "I think its completely reasonable to not allow minors in a place where porn is shared and I dont think my position is the minority one."
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Yeah that was you, she read this out and mentioned Kick chat. I agree with your point, obviously, but your friend's got the right idea if you want to integrate in a stream chat and avoid getting banned. Welp, at least the sperging sparked something that could develop into good content.
I'm curious what happens next: do the Leaflit defenders turn on Kirsche for strongly supporting Harmful? Do Leaflit haters see Kirsche in a better light now that she's taken a harder stance? Does she start getting hate from both sides? Find out next time, on Autist Ball Z!
 
I mean I'm just saying said:
Yeah that was you, she read this out and mentioned Kick chat. I agree with your point, obviously, but your friend's got the right idea if you want to integrate in a stream chat and avoid getting banned. Welp, at least the sperging sparked something that could develop into good content.
I'm curious what happens next: do the Leaflit defenders turn on Kirsche for strongly supporting Harmful? Do Leaflit haters see Kirsche in a better light now that she's taken a harder stance? Does she start getting hate from both sides? Find out next time, on Autist Ball Z!
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In my defense I literally had never bothered to watch a creator do livestreams live.
 
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