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It is the year 2036 and you are not aloud to say the n-word online anymore because your ISP is required to prevent hate speech by law. Luckily you have a secret weapon. You pull out the ol' beofange UV-5R and set it to Josh's weekly radio stream live from the independent Republic of North Florida. Turning up the volume, to drown out to sound of Somali immigrants beating a cat to death in the pod over, you hear the errverlord talk about his week.. You may have to hide your radio under your Amazon Basics(tm) bed, but at least its freedom you think as you eat your bug rations.



Local Communications: Radio-to-Radio – 0-10 miles
Tactical Communications: Radio-to-Repeater/Base – 0-50 miles
Regional Communications: NVIS – 30-500 miles
Strategic Communications: HF Skywave / SATCOM – 500+ miles


These different areas typically involve dedicated hardware, as well as operating procedures for each area of coverage. For example, the equipment and techniques for Local Communications will not work for Regional Communications, and vice-versa. While there are exceptions, the technical details are beyond the scope of what we’re setting out to understand here.


Local Communications: You and your buddy are chitty-chatting across the lake to one another.

At the Local Level, or immediate area, you have Simplex communications. Simplex communications involve a radio signal, transmitted from one person directly to another. Simplex operation is typically in the Very High Frequency (VHF) or the Ultra High Frequency (UHF) portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. The range is, approximately, 0-10 miles. A reasonable expectation is approximately 1 to 2 miles. These types of communications are limited to Line-Of-Sight (LOS) only.

What LOS means is that as long as you have a straight-line distance between you and your buddy, the two of you can chat it up. If your buddy is in a valley, and you are not, there is a good chance you may not be able to hear each other. You are also limited to the curvature of the earth, which falls at the rate of ~8″ per linear mile. The earth being round and all, means that it starts falling off faster as you traverse along it radially.

There are ways to mitigate this.

Height is your friend with VHF/UHF. If you can gain additional elevation, the range of your radio can be extended. For example, if you were to stand on a very large hill, and your buddy is 10 miles away, with no obstructions between the two of you, there shouldn’t be any difficulty in communicating with each other. A way to think of it is that, if you were physically capable of seeing your buddy, even with aid of a telescope, you should be able to communicate Simplex.

The VHF portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is referred to as the 2-meter (2m) band. The area we are concerned with is 144-147 MHz.

The UHF portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is referred to as the 70-centimeter (70cm) band. The area we are concerned with is 420-450 MHz.

The majority of communications in VHF/UHF use what is called a vertically-polarized antenna. This simply means you’re pushing a signal into one end of antenna, that is perpendicular to the earth. Stickin’ straight up in the air, for you non-geeks.

VHF/UHF radios come in three flavors:

The Handheld Radio.
The Mobile Radio.
The Base radio.


The handheld radio, or “Handie-Talkie” (HT for short) is exactly as its name implies. These are oftentimes referred to as, “Portables.” They are battery-powered radios, with a small form factor, that can be carried on your person. The typical wattage on these radios is around 3-5 watts. There are some models floating around that can go as high as 10-watts (TRI PRC-148 Clone); however, pumping higher-output from a HT is mostly an exercise in depleting your batteries at a higher rate, without the benefit of a better signal report on the receiving end. I tend to view the HT radio as the most utilitarian, despite its range, due to the fact that it is the radio you are most likely to have with you at all times.

Examples of affordable, entry-level HT Radios are AS FOLLOWS:

Baofeng UV-5R
Yaesu FT-60R
Icom IC-T70A


All of the HT radios listed above offer both VHF and UHF frequency coverage.

After the HT radio, we have the Mobile Radio. The mobile radio is vehicle-mounted, and they typically have an output of anywhere from 5-75 watts. The mobile radio offers advantages over the HT in terms of higher output, a better ground plane (the vehicle’s body or chassis), and taller antennas with higher gain. Gain is the amount of increase in signal, expressed in decibels (dB). We won’t go into technical details here, but what it means to you is that the radio signal leaving a higher-gain antenna will be more focused (stronger) in a given direction (typically towards the horizon / parallel to the earth’s surface). In general, a properly configured mobile radio should have a greater range potential than a handheld.

Examples of affordable, entry-level mobile radios are AS FOLLOWS:

Yaesu FT-7900R
Baofeng UV-50X3
Icom ID-880H


Like the previously mentioned HT radios, all of the Mobile radios listed above offer both VHF and UHF frequency coverage.

Finally, we have a base radio. This is a radio, operated from a fixed location. A base radio, may not necessarily be any different from a mobile radio, other than its configuration in an overall radio system. For example, while the radio you obtain may be used for either a mobile or fixed application, the application of the radio is the critical difference between the two. With a fixed base radio, you have the advantage of installing a much taller antenna and, through the use of an amplifier, up to 1500 watts of power. Again, like the handheld, more wattage doesn’t necessarily equate greater range, and there is an exponential loss of efficiency as you continue to increase power. A base radio, in theory, means that you have the potential for the highest antenna possible, and the most power possible to use.

At the Technician level, most of the fixed-station, or base radios, are going to be the same as mobile radios, configured to be run indoors. Since mobile radios are inherently designed to run off of your vehicle's battery, you will need a switching power supply in order to power these from a wall-outlet. While I'm not overly crazy about MFJ's products, this is one of the cheapest power-supplies that should power just about any radio you might have access to as a newly minted Tech: MFJ-4125.

The VHF/UHF frequencies are not limited to the earth. They will zip right through the atmosphere. This means, that should your buddy load himself up into a hot-air balloon, and take a trip to outer space, he would, for the sake of this analogy, be able to communicate with you.

The problem with VHF/UHF is that, due to the laws of physics, for the most part it is a means of local communications only. You can pump all the wattage into a radio that you want; you’re still not going to push the radio signal through a mountain, or bore through the earth. Remember, we are limited to Line-Of-Sight…

Since VHF/UHF radios are limited to LOS, how might we go about milking some extra mileage out of them?


Tactical Communications: You and your homie talk shop across a major metropolitan area.

At the Tactical Level we would employ a repeater, or use a tall antenna at a topographically sound location. Typical ranges could be anywhere from 0-50 miles.

A repeater is typically placed at an advantageous position, such as on top of a tall building, large mountain, on a tower, etc. The repeater will receive your LOS signal, and re-transmit that signal outward in every direction.

In most situations, the repeater will be operating, not only from a more efficient position, but at a higher effective radiated power output level than what you are sending to it. So, for instance, if you are transmitting at 5 watts to the repeater, it will receive your radio signal and repeat it back out at 100 watts, and from a higher elevation, ensuring that your range is significantly extended.

Another option, aside from the employment of a repeater would be a well-configured base station. If, at the fixed location, you have a good antenna height, for example at the top of a chimney, or mounted to a backyard-tower, the additional horsepower from higher-wattage, and the taller/more efficient antenna will extend the range significantly, when compared to handheld/portable/vehicle-operated VHF/UHF radios.

Repeater coverage, just like Simplex, is limited to LOS. The use of a repeater can give a much greater coverage area than Simplex alone, but the laws of physics creep back in, and still limit the repeater to what is within, for all intents and purposes, visual distance. Because the repeater is in a higher location, by default, its visual distance is greater than what you have at typical ground-level in your area.

So we can talk across town with a repeater, or simplex through base-to-base comms, but now what?

Up to this point, we have been discussing the application of VHF and UHF radio. The frequencies VHF and UHF are limited to LOS, and we know that they will zip right through the atmosphere and continue into space.

To effectively go Beyond-Line-Of-Sight (BLOS) we will need to get into the High-Frequency portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.


You and your buddy, rag-chewin’ from Crested Butte, Colorado to Wichita, Kansas.

At the Regional Level, we are in High-Frequency territory. The HF portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is also referred to as Shortwave Radio. The area we are concerned with for NVIS is 3-7 MHz. In order to establish BLOS Communications, you would employ a technique known as NVIS, or Near-Vertical Incidence Skywave.

NVIS is the only reliable way to obtain wireless communications in a coverage area from approximately 30-500 miles.

Remember from earlier, where VHF/UHF radio waves will go into space? HF, for all intents and purposes, does not. HF frequencies are reflected by the earth’s ionosphere.

NVIS works by sending a radio signal straight up in the air, perpendicular to the earth’s surface. The signal is then reflected by the earth’s ionosphere, cascading back down in a waterfall back to the surface. The frequencies used for NVIS typically range from 3-7 MHz.

For NVIS, the most common antenna is a dipole. A dipole, simply means “two poles.” For the sake of simplicity, imagine two sections of wire, with an insulator in the middle. The antenna for NVIS is horizontally-polarized. Runnin’ side-to-side for you non-nerds. For simplicity’s sake, running the antenna low to the ground, and horizontally-polarized, is a technique for ensuring as much of the signal is directed towards the zenith as possible. Basically, straight-up.

So that’s cool and well, but what else is there?

NVIS is used to operate in that 30-500 mile radius we discussed earlier. What if you want to go farther?


Using HF, or Shortwave to Talk to Aunt Mavis in Kuala Lumpur.

At the Strategic Level, there are a couple of options available for radio communications.

We’ll start with the most unreliable for ham radio considerations: SATCOM. There are multiple satellites, along with the International Space Station (ISS) that are available to make contact with, or to use as repeaters. While it is certainly possible to make contact with distant stations using a HT, and a satellite in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) as a repeater, it requires advanced tracking of the satellite’s path, and the window of opportunity is relatively short (typically less than 10 minutes of available time). In order to reliably use a bird (Satellite) for comms, both the transmitting and receiving stations would have to be within the flight path’s range, as well, the short window of time, and difficulty in tracking without pre-established flight-paths being published make this a somewhat unreliable form of communications.

Virginia Tech University is currently in the process of preparing a geosynchronous satellite as a radio repeater sometime in 2017. This satellite would be available for long-distance communications 24/7/365. This may be a viable option for reliable SATCOM, but until the system is on-line, there aren’t any other reliable methods for using satellites consistently.

The final option for long-distance communication is Ionospheric Propagation, Skywave, or “Skip”. All three terms are referring to the same phenomena.

This means of signal-extension, not unlike NVIS, relies on the reflective nature of the earth’s ionosphere to bounce signals between the earth’s surface and the atmosphere. For this means of communication, we are still using the HF band to make distant contacts. The area we are concerned with is 3-30 MHz. Ionospheric propagation is dependent upon a lot of variables such as solar cycles and storms, time of day, seasons, etc.

The ionosphere itself is broken down into three layers:

D Layer
E Layer (as well as Sporadic E, but we won’t get into that)
F Layer


The D Layer is the closest to the earth’s surface, followed by the E in the middle, and finally the F layer. The F layer is the most dense, and is the layer that is responsible for the reflectivity that is important for skywave/skip propagation of radio waves.

Once a signal is reflected off of the F layer, oftentimes it will undergo several bounces between the ionosphere and the earth’s surface. Bear in mind, that with each successive “bounce”, the there will be a degradation of the signal strength, both through ground losses, as well as D layer absorbtion. Atmospheric conditions, and solar activity will play a part in the ability to use skywave propagation for communications.

For both NVIS, and Skywave, an HF-radio is required. While Technician class licensees are limited to the 6m and 10m HF bands; neither of these are suited for NVIS.

An absolutely excellent radio that one can grow into, is the Yaesu FT-817. It is field-portable, can be run off of batteries, as well as a DC source, (or AC with the use of a witching power supply). If you eventually find the output to be insufficient for your needs, an in-line amplifier can be run to give your signal a little more ass.

Hopefully, this helped you to understand the fundamentals of radio communications, related, specifically, to ham radio.

I am asked many of the questions answered here, by people I know personally, and this is basically a simple article on the rough-principles of operation, without a lot of technical jargon, and geek-speak that tends to glaze eyeballs over. It has been my experience that many people, unfamiliar with ham radio, find the subject grotesquely overwhelming, and unapproachable. Can’t start without the basics, and this writeup is about as basic as it gets.
 
In 2036 we'll only be able to shitpost on packet radio BBSes linked together by tablets connected to HF radio while multiethnic troon squads try to find "Mr Moon" the leader of all hatethink in america

also I should bring up here that there are pirates in brasil who hack US Army sats in order to go HUEHUEHUE
 
When Earth gets destroyed by too much climate change and technology we could colonize the planets and start communicating one another with intercoms connected to our own radio station which hosts live-streams and Kiwi propaganda music 24/7

Radios are probably gonna be like Discord servers in the mid-21st century and so-on because technology is becoming more advanced so.
 
I’ve always had this fascination with amateur radio, but never got further than reading about it.
I just don’t know what I would do with one in the first place, really.
Barring my being a Black Autumn style apocalypse radio DJ, I can’t think of what would justify the money and time put into it.
 
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I haven't a clue how the tech actually works but my local authority transitioned EMS from analog to digital radio (TETRA) over the last decade. I generally prefer the new system but a few people are peeved they don't get to listen in on police coms anymore or didn't get the memo that shenanigans on air could now easily be traced back to specific devices.
The induction training was probably the first time I actually met people that were into amateur radio, according to them the hobby's been on a steady decline for a long while tho.
 
Baofengs strike me as a meme so I'm inherently distrustful of it as a brand. Shilling appears to be happening and working. Why not get any ol' SDR for your laptop, hack a wifi card, or get any random milsurp Motorola, Harris, or other milsurp radio set? the PRC 117 and 152 both come in civilian variants and occasionally see market as milsurp, and support both "legacy" symmetric key crypto and modern handshaky protocols.
 
Baofengs strike me as a meme so I'm inherently distrustful of it as a brand. Shilling appears to be happening and working. Why not get any ol' SDR for your laptop, hack a wifi card, or get any random milsurp Motorola, Harris, or other milsurp radio set? the PRC 117 and 152 both come in civilian variants and occasionally see market as milsurp, and support both "legacy" symmetric key crypto and modern handshaky protocols.
What bands do milsurp radios use? Unless it's a true SHTF scenario they aren't going to be much use since I doubt the FCC is handing out licenses to the general public for those bands, and encryption is illegal outside commercial and government use. And if you just want to use ham bands then an Icom, Yaesu or Kenwood HT is going to be far more user-friendly. Baofengs are indeed a meme, they may be cheap but they are deaf and not built well. An entry-level HT from Icom or Yaesu is only a little more expensive but is absolutely going to be worth the extra expense.
 
What bands do milsurp radios use? Unless it's a true SHTF scenario they aren't going to be much use since I doubt the FCC is handing out licenses to the general public for those bands, and encryption is illegal outside commercial and government use.
Essentially all of them -- on genuine military units I've seen for trucks or botes you just punch in whatever frequency and modulation you want. A lot of them require a separate amp/driver for HF though. They're basically the same as radios you'd get as a HAM except they can dial down far enough for UHF/VHF, have support for shit you'll never use like mil satcom or tactical data links, and come exclusively in rubberized olive green instead of black crinkle paint.

Also don't quote me on it but I'm like 90% sure that even the FCC doesn't require a license or anything to go out over any VHF channels, and the only rules are that some are reserved for or expressly prohibit use of DSC, and generally harbour control or other traffic control nets have the right to tell you to fuck off. The channelization is internationally standardized and there's a gorillion channels basically reserved for "non-commercial working" i.e. person-to-person free chatter on the lake.

As for cryptography just be gay do crimes it's also a bit of a meme on my part to bring it up since those military radios tend to use weird ports and very proprietary ways of loading things. Also note that cryptography being illegal is mostly an American thing, and I've never heard of it coming up in court. It strikes me as easy to defeat since WiFi exists and that's encrypted by nature, and what specific part of encryption is banned? Can you send an encrypted email over HF? What about teletype in general, is character encoding a type of encryption? Fear of encryption and the FCC strikes me as kinda fuddlore-y, from the days of the NSA banning certain models of office phone and professors were getting nailed by ITAR for publishing math papers in Europe.
 
Essentially all of them -- on genuine military units I've seen for trucks or botes you just punch in whatever frequency and modulation you want. A lot of them require a separate amp/driver for HF though. They're basically the same as radios you'd get as a HAM except they can dial down far enough for UHF/VHF, have support for shit you'll never use like mil satcom or tactical data links, and come exclusively in rubberized olive green instead of black crinkle paint.

Also don't quote me on it but I'm like 90% sure that even the FCC doesn't require a license or anything to go out over any VHF channels, and the only rules are that some are reserved for or expressly prohibit use of DSC, and generally harbour control or other traffic control nets have the right to tell you to fuck off. The channelization is internationally standardized and there's a gorillion channels basically reserved for "non-commercial working" i.e. person-to-person free chatter on the lake.

As for cryptography just be gay do crimes it's also a bit of a meme on my part to bring it up since those military radios tend to use weird ports and very proprietary ways of loading things. Also note that cryptography being illegal is mostly an American thing, and I've never heard of it coming up in court. It strikes me as easy to defeat since WiFi exists and that's encrypted by nature, and what specific part of encryption is banned? Can you send an encrypted email over HF? What about teletype in general, is character encoding a type of encryption? Fear of encryption and the FCC strikes me as kinda fuddlore-y, from the days of the NSA banning certain models of office phone and professors were getting nailed by ITAR for publishing math papers in Europe.
In the US there is the Family Radio Service which is what walkie-talkies use. There's also GMRS which is just a small fee for a license and covers a whole household. Other countries will have different spectrum allocations, the international standardization is much more general than that. Transmitting on the ham bands without a license will eventually get you a love letter from a local volunteer observer and/or the FCC. They'll do that even though the FCC would rather just have all the ham boomers die so they can sell the spectrum. Transmit on a band the FCC cares about and you'll be lucky to get off with just having your equipment confiscated. Also, legally you have to use part approved radios for FRS/GMRS. In the last few years the FCC has been cracking down on cheap Chinese radios that operate on those bands without being approved. Though I don't know how anyone would be able to tell, unless you were obviously outside the power limits or creating interference. Ham bands don't require part approved radios, but that's part of the privilege that comes with being licensed.

As for encryption, this is from FCC Part 97 (governing amateur radio):
§97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

(a) No amateur station shall transmit:
...
(4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification.
So no, it would be illegal (at least in the US) to transmit an encrypted email over HF, at least on any band the average person could legally transmit on. Teletype is allowed because it's not meant for obscuring meaning. Same with digital modes like DMR or FT8. Encryption of course is fine with Wi-Fi but we're talking unlicensed spectrum in 2.4 GHz and above, and there is still the part approval requirement for this. Mesh Wi-Fi networks might be a good way to avoid some of the restrictions I've mentioned.

If you're concerned about government surveillance and authoritarian repression, it seems to me like the last thing you want to do is draw attention to yourself by using a medium which allows for precise location pinpointing, operating on frequencies you aren't allowed to operate on, sending encrypted communications. But what do I know.
 
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Fair, but you can still freely operate on most channels of the VHF band in the US and Canada. The channelization is ITU-controlled so any ol' VHF you get should have the same programming, and you can shitpost on channel 69 to your heart's content.

As for encryption, this is from FCC Part 97 (governing amateur radio):
FCC said:
No amateur station shall transmit ... messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning,
Unless "amateur station" is well defined legally (which I doubt given the capitalization) this is so vague as to not be realistically enforceable. Even if 2.4 and 5ghz aren't regulated at all, what's to stop me from broadcasting encoded voice or data that's not for internet over that, and where does the concept of encoding start and end on the lower bands?

Or let's take the example of sending an e-mail over HF, just using an HF radio as your physical link between two otherwise conventional modern internet objects. At what point does "obscuring meaning" begin? If it's a plaintext message but sent via HTTPS, is it okay since that can be done from any other device over a variety of radio links across at least two spectra? (2.4ghz and 5ghz). Or is it the contents of the message, so if it's a plaintext message but with TLS, it's okay? What if It's not a secure connection but I PGP it up and send an encrypted message but via plaintext, with or without TLS, over any non-conventional wireless link? Or is all that okay, but as soon as I just speak in pig latin, it's all over? Let's say I have a big property and set up a microwave link from one end to the other, but on either end is just a normal-ass router from Bell. Am I committing a crime? Will I be prosecuted? Have HARMs gotten cheap enough to stop me?

Again, this strikes me the same way it does old ITAR gotchas and ancient NSA battles over cryptography that were eventually lost once they realized you can't really legislate against physics and math.

If you're concerned about government surveillance and authoritarian repression, it seems to me like the last thing you want to do is draw attention to yourself by using a medium which allows for precise location pinpointing, operating on frequencies you aren't allowed to operate on, sending encrypted communications. But what do I know.
Well obviously operating on the wrong bands and using encryption at all is inherently suspicious. They already kill people over metadata. I was just saying, why bother with meme models of radio that have their own version of Drift Tax when you can pick up anything else that does the same thing, and why listen to the FCC's regulations on what you can or can't transmit considering how obviously out of date it is? It's understandable to respect VHF channelization and to stay out of the bands marked for emergency services or military but there's a certain amount of fuddy spook lore that's off-putting.
 
Fair, but you can still freely operate on most channels of the VHF band in the US and Canada. The channelization is ITU-controlled so any ol' VHF you get should have the same programming, and you can shitpost on channel 69 to your heart's content.
Those are the marine bands, and though you don't need a license to transmit on them in the US, their use is heavily regulated, even more than FRS and GMRS. They aren't for general chatter. And it's not only regulated by the FCC but also the Coast Guard.
Unless "amateur station" is well defined legally (which I doubt given the capitalization) this is so vague as to not be realistically enforceable. Even if 2.4 and 5ghz aren't regulated at all, what's to stop me from broadcasting encoded voice or data that's not for internet over that, and where does the concept of encoding start and end on the lower bands?
It is defined elsewhere in Part 97. That clause has been enforced many times. I don't know specifically of any enforcement actions relating to encryption but I know people have been fined for music and profanity. The unlicensed spectrum in 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz is not unregulated, there are still regulations on power limits, interference protection, all of the other regulations around intentional transmitters still apply. It's perfectly legal to set up your own encrypted mesh network on unlicensed spectrum using consumer equipment.
Or let's take the example of sending an e-mail over HF, just using an HF radio as your physical link between two otherwise conventional modern internet objects. At what point does "obscuring meaning" begin? If it's a plaintext message but sent via HTTPS, is it okay since that can be done from any other device over a variety of radio links across at least two spectra? (2.4ghz and 5ghz). Or is it the contents of the message, so if it's a plaintext message but with TLS, it's okay? What if It's not a secure connection but I PGP it up and send an encrypted message but via plaintext, with or without TLS, over any non-conventional wireless link? Or is all that okay, but as soon as I just speak in pig latin, it's all over? Let's say I have a big property and set up a microwave link from one end to the other, but on either end is just a normal-ass router from Bell. Am I committing a crime? Will I be prosecuted? Have HARMs gotten cheap enough to stop me?

Again, this strikes me the same way it does old ITAR gotchas and ancient NSA battles over cryptography that were eventually lost once they realized you can't really legislate against physics and math.
If you're operating on the ham bands in the US then the clause applies. If it's meant to obscure the meaning of the message from others, then it's illegal. Public-key cryptography like TLS or PGP would absolutely fit that criteria, that's the entire purpose of it. Other bands have different rules but I'm not aware of any band under the GHz level available to the general public in the US that allows anything like that. I can't speak for other countries.
Well obviously operating on the wrong bands and using encryption at all is inherently suspicious. They already kill people over metadata. I was just saying, why bother with meme models of radio that have their own version of Drift Tax when you can pick up anything else that does the same thing, and why listen to the FCC's regulations on what you can or can't transmit considering how obviously out of date it is? It's understandable to respect VHF channelization and to stay out of the bands marked for emergency services or military but there's a certain amount of fuddy spook lore that's off-putting.
You can go right ahead and try using marine radios for chatting with your buddies or sending encrypted email over HF bands. And you can try to fight the inevitable enforcement action like so many have done before. I don't know why you would take that risk when the internet still exists and is still the best medium of communication we have despite its flaws. It's great to think about what to do if and when the internet is no longer usable for private personal communication, but expecting to just hop on a radio and use it the same way we use the internet now is probably not going to happen.
 
If you're operating on the ham bands in the US then the clause applies. If it's meant to obscure the meaning of the message from others, then it's illegal.
So if I transmit " φ(゜▽゜*)♪ " over HF in teletype, it's okay, but if " φ(゜▽゜*)♪ " means "FELL THE TALL TREES" among my lesser-known terrorist sect, it's illegal? Seems like bad law to me.

any band under the GHz level available to the general public
All bands are available. Law doesn't prevent exploitation of physics. Just as easily as I can scan the air with a shitty chinkpad and a copy of wireshark, you can get some SDR dongle and broadcast on whatever frequency you have the power and heatsinking for. (I understood your post to mean that it's physically available, in that commercially available radios would go out on it at all)

You can go right ahead and try using marine radios for chatting with your buddies
Well you actually can. There's a fair number of channels reserved for non-commercial working. If you're shitposting in plaintext voice over them, all anyone can do is politely ask you to kick to a different channel to let them coordinate their fishing boats or alongside operations or whatever. If you really just want to casually talk to people or make passing arrangements on the lake, there's a ton of VHF channels solely dedicated to non-commercial analog use, and even Ch16 is outright open except for at the top and bottom of the hour, and only with that restriction to open up distress calling a little more.
 
So if I transmit " φ(゜▽゜*)♪ " over HF in teletype, it's okay, but if " φ(゜▽゜*)♪ " means "FELL THE TALL TREES" among my lesser-known terrorist sect, it's illegal? Seems like bad law to me.
Yeah, when you get into ciphers like that it would be extremely hard to prove. They would probably just try to get you for transmitting gibberish (i.e. not using the radio service for its intended purposes).
All bands are available. Law doesn't prevent exploitation of physics. Just as easily as I can scan the air with a shitty chinkpad and a copy of wireshark, you can get some SDR dongle and broadcast on whatever frequency you have the power and heatsinking for. (I understood your post to mean that it's physically available, in that commercially available radios would go out on it at all)
Well sure, there's no physical law preventing you from blasting Russell Greer's summer hits on an air traffic control channel. But if you do, don't be surprised when dudes with badges show up at your door. That's basically the point I'm trying to make. The airwaves are a public good and as such the state has the authority to regulate their use.
Well you actually can. There's a fair number of channels reserved for non-commercial working. If you're shitposting in plaintext voice over them, all anyone can do is politely ask you to kick to a different channel to let them coordinate their fishing boats or alongside operations or whatever. If you really just want to casually talk to people or make passing arrangements on the lake, there's a ton of VHF channels solely dedicated to non-commercial analog use, and even Ch16 is outright open except for at the top and bottom of the hour, and only with that restriction to open up distress calling a little more.
Maybe it's different where you live, but in the US, marine radio is meant for communications between ships, and if you're using it on shore it's meant to be for operational communication with an associated ship. The rules were changed a few years back to allow for this, previously you needed a license to operate a marine radio on shore at all. So if you and your buddies live on ships, that might work, but for most people it's just going to lead to an FCC love letter. CB, GMRS and FRS exist for a reason.
 
Maybe it's different where you live, but in the US, marine radio is meant for communications between ships, and
VHF channelization is internationally set, and being marine or on land does not matter. VHF has channels controlled by the ITU and their local usage is easily found out and there are usually non-commercial working channels across NA and western europe. Even when not, Ch16 is free and open and the only thing that stops you from using it is being rude enough to clobber distress signals.
 
VHF channelization is internationally set, and being marine or on land does not matter. VHF has channels controlled by the ITU and their local usage is easily found out and there are usually non-commercial working channels across NA and western europe. Even when not, Ch16 is free and open and the only thing that stops you from using it is being rude enough to clobber distress signals.
According to the FCC it does matter, and there's a huge section of their regulations dealing with marine radio: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/part-80

This is the particular section that relates to unlicensed shore operation: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/80.115

In the US, if you are on shore and you aren't communicating with your own associated vessel, specifically about topics related to operation of the vessel, and you're not at or under 1 watt of power, you're in violation. This is why FRS, GMRS and CB exist.
 
Unless your particular AIS set is some bullshit overpowered set and INMARSAT stopped making money, fuck the FCC. VHF channelization is set by international standard and at the very least CH16 is recognized as the distress and open calling frequency.

Vessels at sea are required by Col Regs to at least maintain watch on 16 and are strongly encouraged to be able to broadcast on VHFin general. Many cunts require you have a proper VHF set to put to sea. 1w on VULOS is a lot for tactical communications (fudds like to quote that 5w is sufficient for a moon bounce on HF but your typical coast guard handheld is only 1 or 2 watts off some Motorola XTS/XPS shit) and vessels over a certain length are not only required to operate AIS (which is VHF data link at its most primitive) but must maintain Ch16 watch and call in to harbour masters who are usually on a VHF channel between 10 and 20 in the west, or in the 60s in australia or the far east.

The VHF band is very open because sea traffic is A Thing. Harbour masters actually prefer it when you glow like the sun. Even vessels operating AIS are asked to call in over VHF, and it's nothing but good will when you as a kayaker call in to say where you are in the lanes.
 
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