Feedback Kiwi Farms and Positive Good For Normies

[zeezoo]

Something that could easily be attached as a Twitter reply, an Imgur post, or a Reddit comment is ideal.
One problem we have is that people are going in a sequence of
1) Twitter Person A: "What the hell is kiwi farms?"
2) Twitter Person B: "A hate site dedicated to harrassing and SWATing minorities. They're linked to 4 suicides!"
3) Twitter Person A: "Oh I'm glad it's gone"

You need a quickly digestable imagepost or textpost that people can post at Step 2 so normies don't all get routed into a general mindset of "Kiwis Are Baddies".

doesn't matter what kind of reply you make, when all that is needed for someone to believe the website is about that is someone claiming it in that manner you're left in the position to prove a negative, a very vague negative I must add.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

KF must stay up for the lulz. QED.

This is a great comedy website. All arguments to the contrary are horseshit.
If the comedic material found herein occasionally happens to lead to some cow or other getting investigated/arrested/indicted: bonus.

 

[Some Badger]

What I'd like to see (but strongly doubt will happen) is someone documenting the entire site (preferably through livestreaming), which would bring them across sub-forums like Ethan Ralph and America First, which would automatically dispel the notion that we're a hardcore alt-right site, and the Internationale Clique, which shows that the Farms extends beyond just the northwestern quartersphere.

I’m still banking on Fredrik Knudsen covering the Farms someday in a Down the Rabbit Hole entry since he’s been known to document certain well-known lolcows like Wings and Terry (and probably used the forum as a source for both too). I find his videos to be pretty neutral and objective for the most part. I just hope that if he does make such a video, then doesn’t happen as a result of the forum getting taken down for good.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I just hope that if he does make such a video, then doesn’t happen as a result of the forum getting taken down for good.

If the forum stays up, then he will make it about [name redacted] instead.

The fucker will find that by trying to take down his loudest critics, more will pop up. Wikipedia might declare him the victor or the good guy, but everyone else knows the truth.

 

[Ishtar]

Everything on Kiwi Farms is compiled from publicly available sources. There are no "dox". Dox is illegally obtained information.

Your address comes from the white pages or similar sites, or voter registration, all public.

The picture of your house comes from Zillow or Redfin or realtor.com or Google.

Your embarrassing furry fic or art or political opinions that don't align with your current opinions comes from using the same email address or username across several sites for several years.

Your porn is publicly available to anyone with enough shekels.

Your discords are public to anyone you allow in. If you're allowing minors in you need to consider that Chris Hansen exists.

Your fucking Youtube streams and Twitch streams that catch more traffic than mainstream cable TV shows are public you fucking idiots. You are public figures and you can be ridiculed.

There will never be a world where you can be free from criticism.

You're correct, which is why troons, grifters, etc... consider all of this info "private" or somehow above scrutiny. To not put it on the net would be incomprehensible because the bulk of internet users are just as thoughtless.

When people are revealed as hypocrites, degenerates or criminals-they instinctively want their crimes hidden. As all those who do wrong do. If you wrote embarrassing Harry Potter fanfiction in the early 2000s, then you should just...man or woman up and admit it. Being made fun of comes with having written or done anything online at all.

Its not just thin skins, its a fear driven conviction that the public(meaning these people's enemies) should see what they actually do, in their own words, documented. Why they get mad at LibsofTiktok or Chris Rufo, because they make things they wish hidden publicly known.

The internet is forever, and no one has anyone to blame but themselves for making a fool of themselves(or worse). To be aware of this, to know what twitter grifters and politicians and streamers are up to-is integral to an informed citizenry, and free society, not corralled cattle.

 

[DrNow]

Normies aren't really involved in this. For a normie to really care about anything they either have to be directly effected by it in an obvious way, or told to care about it by what they deem to be a legitimate resource. And even then they'll stop caring once they're told to care about something else. This is how we saw people go overnight from being in a deadly pandemic to being emotionally involved some in some conflict in Eastern Europe they barely knew was happening for the past decade.

If the news media stopped talking about kiwifarms tomorrow, which they pretty much have, normies will forget it ever existed. It's also worth keeping in mind, if the tranny propaganda machine stopped enjoying financial and institutional backing tomorrow, normies would forget all about that stuff too.

The hippie movement probably thought it could change the world in 69, then the establishment backing disappeared and moved onto the next thing and it was over. There were probably ground level hippies who truly believed they were part of some grassroots, organic resistance against 'the man'. These troons will be just as at a loss when nobody is talking about them anymore. We may even look back on them in the same way, as a kind of cliche or something used for comedic effect.

If I was them, I would not trust the FBI, news media and corporations to have my back forever. I'd be thinking ahead a little more carefully and considering what bridges I might be burning when it comes to waging censorship campaigns and speech policing.

 

[Astute Observation]

Something that could easily be attached as a Twitter reply, an Imgur post, or a Reddit comment is ideal.
One problem we have is that people are going in a sequence of
1) Twitter Person A: "What the hell is kiwi farms?"
2) Twitter Person B: "A hate site dedicated to harrassing and SWATing minorities. They're linked to 4 suicides!"
3) Twitter Person A: "Oh I'm glad it's gone"

You need a quickly digestable imagepost or textpost that people can post at Step 2 so normies don't all get routed into a general mindset of "Kiwis Are Baddies".

I don't like to power level off site, If I had to say something it would be very short, subtle and to the point. Something unbias that dispels the mainstream narrative about us such as "Im not sure if that is true, didn't they help a transgender person once after they had a house fire?" Then if pressed link some normie friendly website that talks about the house fire. (too bad Know Your Meme doesn't include that part of the lore on Chris' page)

 

[Crunk Sneedler]

For a normie to really care about anything they either have to be directly effected by it in an obvious way, or told to care about it by what they deem to be a legitimate resource. And even then they'll stop caring once they're told to care about something else.

Allying with normies is a motherfucking fraught enterprise. Beware. And what I mean by "motherfucking" is Mumsnet was ready to have our feminazi (half femi, half nazi) babies if we could protect them from Keffals --- but they're putting their foot down about misogyny and the nigger-word, god dammit!! See? Even when they almost get it, they don't get it at all. They can't understand that their personal sacred cows don't get a pass. They can't. They're not allowed to understand that in front of other people. They're not ready to be seen as being soft on unicode-facilitated hate crimes. They want the solidarity, but they think they're going to bring "reasonable asks" to the table. Bitches just can't resist a good shit test.

 

[Ilikeoreos]

I am legitimately insulted when people use terms like "hate site" to describe this place. Not everyone here is a racist transphobic bigot, and most of us are all mature adults who know where to draw the line.

 

[Ishtar]

I am legitimately insulted when people use terms like "hate site" to describe this place. Not everyone here is a racist transphobic bigot, and most of us are all mature adults who know where to draw the line.

These people do not care dude. You may not consider yourself an evil racist or transphobe or whatever(I'm fine with all of these designations) but because you're here, you are seen as a Nazi in the eyes of tranny le streamer and stupid normies who believe whatever Vox news tells them.

 

[Vect]

These people do not care dude. You may not consider yourself an evil racist or transphobe or whatever(I'm fine with all of these designations) but because you're here, you are seen as a Nazi in the eyes of tranny le streamer and stupid normies who believe whatever Vox news tells them.

Right, but this is what Null believes, and this attitude explains his...expedient press outreach. I was initially suprised, but seeing that his personal reputation covers every known spectrum of human description, I can't say I blame him. That doesn't mean that these aren't manageable problems, if we start to play the game and apply a little empathy and make the site less intimidating. The more people are linked by the site, the harder it is to slander.

The thing is, back when I was a bluepilled normie, if I had heard that from the admin of a site that was alleged to be harassing a protected group, I would have just thought, "wow...what a callous prick". Exactly the sort of response that would fit the template of a 'right-wing' anarchist who sympathises with Trump, and is probably, logically, obviously an election denier and is thus a threat to democracy. Every other insult just tacks on, and I have no room left for critical engagement.

There is a way to counter this though, and that is by the glorious art of preempt and spin, by which things get better with the simple application of asstight denial and the assumption that aliens are visiting the Internet;

1. Establish the Farms offical policy and agenda, and by that the site's agenda is that it has no agenda. Make this unavoidable so nobody can pretend to be ignorant. Cite the fact that we criticise EVERYBODY and that this is NOT 8chan. Remember, mocking people is assumed to be political now.
2. Introduction message for new users on what to expect in terms of users and content. Maybe a handy link to a critical thinking guide. I get that lurking is a politeness thing, but there really is no way to prepare bleached Redditors for a pail of niggers right in the eyeball. We're in the bubble. Outline the rough makeup and culture of each board outright - so people know where to go to get the opinions they want to hear confirmed first. Nobody's going to investigate a board they think they won't be welcome.
3. Advertise the Farms and refer to it as an archive with an attached forum. People won't comprehend a place where you make fun of people, but they will understand an Internet resource on people and topics of Interest. If that's the sites strength, advertise it as a resource to victims, influencers, people looking for info, researchers and yes, journos. They do this already, they just never say. You're a lib journo, we got all the low down on those racist America First people. From New York Post, come look at our Critical Race Theory gallery!
4. It's not doxxing, it's 'public/second hand research'.
5. Transpeople are women and are trying their darnedest, bless 'em. We don't mock the afflicted.
6. This is not an SJW forum. The Farms exist out of autism, spite and principle, in that order.
7. Swatting will get you banned, and pinged by the FBI. Fedposting without cause is bannable no matter what people say.
8. Byuu committed a very sophisticated identity scam where he threatened the Farms to implicate them and faked his death in order to acquire a very rare personalised urn from Hong Kong that was rumoured to contain state secrets. The U.S and Japanese authorities can confirm his lack of death but are obviously being discreet on this sensitive matter. That is what happened. Any other narrative is CCP disinformation.
9. Maybe an introduce yourself thread where insults are not allowed. One post per person. Yes, it's cringe but what tranny is going to come and engage with us if the first thing they get are 20 posts telling them to kill themselve.

That should clear everything up.

 

[Haramburger]

We're a PR punching bag so sites like doxbin and sanctionedsuicide can continue to operate without media spotlights on them. Also our off-topic boards & content are better than theirs. And community.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

It's unfortunate, but the reputation of Kiwifarms won't change unless Null does what Lucas and his gang (probably) did--drop 50-100K on a PR firm and let them go to town. PR firms do all sorts of all awful shit, so image rehabilitation on a doxing troon murder HATE SITE would be pretty easy. If I were a PR firm, I'd just make it a culture war/anti-Big Tech issue and get whatever free speech types still exist on the left and the normie right to highlight the good things Kiwifarms has done and criticize the people and corporations trying to take the site down. Null comes across as a decent, reasonable person when he's been a guest on Nick Rekieta's show, so maybe try and get him on Fox News (I'd try and avoid Tucker Carlson unless that was the ONLY option, just because Tucker is used to pigeonhole reasonable ideas and concerns as "far-right").

That said, Kiwifarms is a surprisingly friendly and diverse community. Children would be much better served hanging out here than they are on Twitter or Discord.

 

[PurpleEater]

KiwiFarms helped two horrifically abused "schizophrenic" children, Jani and Bodi Schofield, get away from their demonic, shit-sucking mother. The forum users compiled years of evidence against the psycho Schofields that greatly aided the efforts of and put enormous pressure on California CPS.

I consider this alone reason to revere the Farms.

 

[Sheep Virus]

(I'd try and avoid Tucker Carlson unless that was the ONLY option, just because Tucker is used to pigeonhole reasonable ideas and concerns as "far-right").

That reputation seems to be wishful thinking on the part of the divide and rule mob. For whatever reason, the audience is more diverse, so the "pigeon-holing" is not as effective as the detractors imagine.

"Who is the Most Watched Host in All of Cable News For Young Democrats? Tucker Carlson"
By Alex Griffing Feb 2nd, 2022, 12:30 pm

New numbers from Nielsen/MRI Fusion released Tuesday showed a surprising trend among cable news viewers – Democrats are tuning into Fox News in large numbers.

While reading through the monthly breakdown of viewers released by Fox, CNN and MSNBC it’s impossible to ignore the enormous share of total viewers that Fox has. Fox makes up 56% of the total prime time audience in cable news and 55% during the day.

So, while it’s safe to assume that right-leaning Fox is attracting more than just Republicans, the amount of Democrats and Independents tuning in and who they are tuning in to watch is surprising.

According to the party-line data, gathered in the month of October, Tucker Carlson is the number-one watched host among Democrats in the key 25-54 age demographic – across all networks. For that month, Carlson pulled in an average of 101,000 Democrats in the demo. The Rachel Maddow Show and The Five tied for second – each pulling in 88,000 demo viewers that identify as Democrats.

More stunning still is the fact that Sean Hannity and Greg Gutfeld round out the top five with 81,000 and 73,000 Democrats in the demo, respectively.

In terms of total viewers, Fox has three of the top five shows watched by Democrats, while MSNBC has the other two.

Maddow leads among Democrats in terms of total viewers with 908,000. While The Five pulls in 732,000 total viewers who identify as Democrats and Tucker Carlson pulls in 722,000 to round out the top three. Hannity and Lawrence O’Donnell land in fourth and fifth place, with 6230,000 and 607,000 Democrat viewers – respectively.

Unfortunately for CNN and MSNBC, the same data shows that the top five most-watch programs among Independents are all on Fox. Tucker Carlson, The Five, Hannity, Special Report with Bret Baier, and The Ingraham Angle are the five most-watched shows by self-identified Independents – in order of popularity.

Among Republicans, it’s no surprise that Fox sweeps the top five watched programs. Listed in order of most-watched they are Tucker Carlson Tonight, The Five, Hannity, Special Report with Bret Baier, and The Ingraham Angle.

In raw percentages, Fox pulls in 58% of all Independents watching cable news, while MSNBC attracts 25% and CNN gets 17%. Among total viewers identifying as Democrats, Fox pulls in 39% while MSNBC pulls in 38% and CNN gets 24%.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/who-is-...able-news-for-young-democrats-tucker-carlson/

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Another good thing about Kiwifarms: it's the best collection of anti-role models you could ever come across.

Learning from the mistakes of others so that you don't make them yourself. We're all autists here, and therefore have the potential to become cows. We see the ways in which other people make fools of themselves, and we learn from them, and not make the same mistakes.

There are a multitude of ways in which to better yourself than laughing at idiots on the internet, but nothing could scare you straight like seeing the shit that others have gotten themselves into.

Certainly prompted me to improve myself.

 

[Nekoi.Inukuma.00]

IRL, I'm pretty open about my browsing of the site. "It's an old school internet drama forum."

I have two go-to's when it comes to defending the farms IRL:
If they go with the "it's far-right site" BS, I point out the various white nationalist cows. Nothing says "savior of the white race" like "fetish for underage filipinas". FFS, we now have a whole subforum for Fuentes and the AF people.

Alternatively, I point to how the anal retentive documenting and cataloging may have helped take out at least one abuser, in re: the Zoosadism stuff.


The point is, the farms has a diverse enough pool of users, you can find someone or something exposed or mocked here that your acquaintance finds distasteful as well.

Also, there are so many social media sites as, if not worse than here; Twitter is a great example. It's trivial to pull up some "antifa" accounts doxing someone, some blowhard "patriot" going internet tough guy, or just point to Twitter refusing to remove CSA material.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Kiwi Farms: come for saying nigger, stay because you learn about the traditional harvesting of crops in ancient Brazil.

 

[Next Task]

It depends on who you're trying to reach, but I'm not sure it's worth the bother. If you want to dispel the idea the site only targets minorities (and by minorities they always mean troons) you can point out that there are whole subforums on America First and Ethan Ralph.

But if you ever defend the Farms online, it's worth remembering that the SJW types who hate us the most live online, especially in the current short attention span sites like Twitter and TikTok. To understand the Farms takes effort; to say the Farms kills trans people with every post and posting a link to Wikipedia or The Washington Post that the other person doesn't even have to read can be done by bots. Hell, the only reason they don't get bots to do it in Twitter is they're all too happy to do it themselves.

We allow nono words, and post publicly available information of people who are never at fault for anything they do. That's a hard image to counter. Though, if someone does bother to properly look into it, it tends to turn them hard against everyone who has been lying to them - and that's a  lot of people. They just have to be willing to question the narrative first, and that's a huge first step in itself.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Kiwis are unquestionably the good guys in all this Internet drama and should be argued as such.
The degenerates that despise us confuse Justice with Evil.