Kiwi Running Club

[Jew-ish]

Oh, for asphalt, I'd recommend more cushioning.
Personally, I run with Asics Kayanos 27 because I overpronate (my right ankle is pretty fucked due to repeated injuries and bends inwards), but they aren't the best in terms of cushioning. I still love them and they work fine for me, but most of my friends swear by the Asics Gel Nimbus 22 or else Hokas.

Ultimately, it's a question of personal preference, and although a lot of runners will say that "the shoe makes or breaks the run", most shoes are fairly similar. So when you're settled on your size, how much cushioning you want, what drop & weight, you can just pick any model that fits your criteria to start with, and see how it goes from there.

Also, there is a difference in shoes made for speed work and those for long runs. In French, running shoes made for interval training and generally speed are called "balancier", meaning pendulum. If you look at the pics below just to give an example, you see that there's a lot of empty space under the toebox. It's especially egregious in the Tri Noosa ones, so the shoe works as a pendulum of sorts, and it's supposed to help you run faster.
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Compare that with the long run shoes for concrete below.
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So if you had to chose, I'd suggest going for the long run shoes. The general consensus seems to be that they're more stable and thus reduce the risk of injuries when you run. At least that's what I've heard chiropractors and podiatrists say.

And finally, and I know it's not feasible for everyone, but try not to always run on asphalt if you can. It's way rougher on the knees than ground, track, or even sand. What's been suggested to me when I first started running was to go through parks to vary the surfaces a bit.

Of all the places to get this advice, I cant believe it happened on the farms lol

I sprained my ankle severly running the mile on a track as a teenager, so I will definently air on the side of safety. I just want to run long distances aswell, so your advice has made my decision making that much easier moving forward and I sincerely appreciate it.

 

[Azovka]

Of all the places to get this advice, I cant believe it happened on the farms lol

I sprained my ankle severly running the mile on a track as a teenager, so I will definently air on the side of safety. I just want to run long distances aswell, so your advice has made my decision making that much easier moving forward and I sincerely appreciate it.

No problem. Glad I could help. I've sprained my ankle severely playing volleyball back in high school, and it's only been downhill since, so I feel you. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to DM.

And yes for fucked up ankles, definitely go for stability shoes.

Also maybe consider eventually investing in orthopaedic soles ? I get fitted for mine this weekend as a matter of fact.
It's just that, if your ankle has been severely sprained, then it's most likely weakened, which in turn impacts the knees. Ever since I've seriously increased my volume of training and started doing trail, I've been feeling them, and a solution to lessen the load on your joints is getting custom soles for running.

Good luck to you on the road !

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Anybody here have running shoe recommendations?

There is one, and only one, possible correct recommendation: ignore any fucker on the Internet who tells you what you should or shouldn't buy. First, because unless they are sitting next to you and can see your feet they're statistically likely to be wrong. Second, because most people are probably wearing the wrong shoe themselves and therefore can't be trusted for advice.

That said, I can tell you what I like, if that is any help. I've tried Brooks, Hoka One One, Altra, Saucony and Asics for road shoes; I keep coming back to the former. I like the shape they're built around (the last) and the guide rail system suits me well. Saucony were horrible quality, Hoka gave me blisters and Altra were awful as well as giving me achilles issues. For trails I've had Brooks, Scott and loads of different pairs of Inov-8, the latter of which I've mostly loved.

Take advice about support vs neutral shoes under caution - there's relatively little repeatable science behind it. You will benefit from getting a proper running podiatrist (not a store salesperson!) to film you and give you advice about what kind of shoes you'd benefit from. I pronate a bit and might otherwise assume I need support shoes, but it's my natural gait and I'm most comfortable in a neutral/mild support shoe like the Brooks Launch GTS.

Also if you're not getting on with your trainers, it may be you're lacing them wrong rather than them being the wrong model. I suggest you try heel lock lacing, and even consider loosening off at the toe end of the laces to give more space.

Thanks for the input.

FWIW I run mostly on concrete/asphalt and I do my best to run on the balls of my feet.

Don't try and vary your natural.vait on your own - you're highly likely to injure yourself. It's something only to be done under the advice and guidance of a specialist, and most specialists will focus on helping you improve based on your natural stride rather than.change your foot strike.

If you really want to avoid injury, focus on strengthening core and hips, because those help you maintain form, and good form will minimise overuse injury as well as trips, sprains etc.

 

[burntgrilledcheese]

Today's run sucked dick. Had a gnarly headache but ran anyway, and was constantly interrupt by some fucking Karen who thought I was a teenager (thanks I guess) and kept harassing me about trespassing at a public park before sundown. Ugh.

 

[burntgrilledcheese]

A better run today! Took the dogs to the trails and no one fucking bothered us. Looking forward to the weather cooling down soon.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

23-and-a-bit minute 5k this morning, which was about a minute better than where I thought I was at. And not a particularly flat one, either - averaged out at 13m climb per km.

Going for a slow, hilly one tomorrow hopefully.

Spoiler: Powerlevel

This was the profile last time I ran the same area:

 

[Wu-Terf Clan]

This thread is so wholesome y'all are adorable

Anybody here have running shoe recommendations?

Nike revolution 5, I have two pairs of them, one for running and one for travelling when I know I can't take more than one pair of shoes with me. But running shoes are not one size fits all unfortunately, it depends on arch, running style and personal preference. My arch is quite high and I'm a forefoot striker so they're great for me but something I used to do was go to the doctor and get custom foot insoles then put those in my cheap running shoes.

Also something else I've noticed, cheap running shoes are the same as expensive ones, so if you're on a budget decathlon stuff is great too, just try them on before buying.

 

[Azovka]

I have my first race ever coming up, and it's trail. If any of you have tips beyond "don't start too fast", I'm taking. The time barrier is large enough (2h20 for 14km with 450m elevation), so safe for injury, I should be finishing it no problem, but my goal is to still run well.

It's so weird since I've been in quite literally a shit ton of tennis & volleyball competitions and tournaments ever since childhood, but I'm way more nervous about my upcoming races. And I have no idea what to expect.

 

[Squirrel Nutkin]

I repeat the phrase "twinkle toes" to myself to remember to pick up my feet when running trails. I have a very low foot carriage and otherwise stumble a lot on exposed roots, rocks and other trail hazards.

Also especially if it's single track remember you do need to yield to runners coming up behind.

Have fun! You got this!

 

[Ugandan discussions]

I have my first race ever coming up, and it's trail. If any of you have tips beyond "don't start too fast", I'm taking. The time barrier is large enough (2h20 for 14km with 450m elevation), so safe for injury, I should be finishing it no problem, but my goal is to still run well.

It's so weird since I've been in quite literally a shit ton of tennis & volleyball competitions and tournaments ever since childhood, but I'm way more nervous about my upcoming races. And I have no idea what to expect.

• Get some appropriate shoes, and run in them a few times before the race.
• Recce the route if you have time. Don't be afraid to walk up some of the hills, but start running as you crest them.
• Running downhill is a skill in itself, so practice it - lean forwards, arms wide, let gravity do the work.
• A cap is better than sunglasses, especially if you're in and out of woodland as it takes time for your eyes to keep readjusting to the changing light.
• Run through puddles not round them - they're flat at the bottom, so you're less likely to slip over.
• At 14km, you don't need to carry water or gels, so don't mess about with them, just get some water from the hydration point midway.
• Remember what your mama taught you, and say thanks to the marshals. They've trekked out into the middle of nowhere so that there's someone to help you if something goes tits up.
• Don't be such a fucking wuss. Stop stressing about it, enjoy the run, the camaraderie and the view, and then come back on here and kiss my ass for this highly list (wouldn't be KF if someone didn't abuse you for asking an innocent question!).

 

[burntgrilledcheese]

Ugh I feel like shit... Just wrapped up a run and I'm so nauseous. Not sure if I didn't wait long enough after eating or if the heat got me. Run went well though.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Ugh I feel like shit... Just wrapped up a run and I'm so nauseous. Not sure if I didn't wait long enough after eating or if the heat got me. Run went well though.

Yes, probably the heat.

I'm still a bit meh. Couple of good ones last week including a proper track session for the first time, but low on motivation.

 

[burntgrilledcheese]

Had an easy run yesterday, and going for a long trail run today. Gotta worship at the Church of the Sunday Run.

 

[burntgrilledcheese]

Upped my mileage for the week, got in two good runs, then caught a gnarly sinus infection. Damnit!

 

[Azovka]

• Get some appropriate shoes, and run in them a few times before the race.
• Recce the route if you have time. Don't be afraid to walk up some of the hills, but start running as you crest them.
• Running downhill is a skill in itself, so practice it - lean forwards, arms wide, let gravity do the work.
• A cap is better than sunglasses, especially if you're in and out of woodland as it takes time for your eyes to keep readjusting to the changing light.
• Run through puddles not round them - they're flat at the bottom, so you're less likely to slip over.
• At 14km, you don't need to carry water or gels, so don't mess about with them, just get some water from the hydration point midway.
• Remember what your mama taught you, and say thanks to the marshals. They've trekked out into the middle of nowhere so that there's someone to help you if something goes tits up.
• Don't be such a fucking wuss. Stop stressing about it, enjoy the run, the camaraderie and the view, and then come back on here and kiss my ass for this highly list (wouldn't be KF if someone didn't abuse you for asking an innocent question!).

Well, the trail went well, at least for a first race. I finished 11th among the women, barely missing the top 10, but it’s not too bad given that I’m pretty much a tourist when it comes to running, and it was my first race ever.

I followed your advice and didn’t bother with gels, a race pack or whatever, and the refuelling stations were indeed more than enough.
And I ended up sorta following your tip of running through puddles, except it was the sea since the first kilometres were on sand, and it’s way easier to run on wet sand than on dry one. So thank you!

Here’s hoping I can beat my time handily for the next race. And I will definitely need to practice more running uphill.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Well, the trail went well, at least for a first race. I finished 11th among the women, barely missing the top 10, but it’s not too bad given that I’m pretty much a tourist when it comes to running, and it was my first race ever.

I followed your advice and didn’t bother with gels, a race pack or whatever, and the refuelling stations were indeed more than enough.
And I ended up sorta following your tip of running through puddles, except it was the sea since the first kilometres were on sand, and it’s way easier to run on wet sand than on dry one. So thank you!

Here’s hoping I can beat my time handily for the next race. And I will definitely need to practice more running uphill.

That's pretty awesome. Other than parkrun, I've never troubled the top 20% in my sex/age category in a race.

Uphill training should be one of the mainstays of your workouts. When I'm working properly for a race, I'll do a block of one or two hill-focussed sessions per week (along with a long run and a tempo run) for 4-6 weeks, followed by a similar speed-work block.

Had an easy run yesterday, and going for a long trail run today. Gotta worship at the Church of the Sunday Run.

Did some intervals in midweek, 5k yesterday, and about 8 miles today with 3 of them at tempo pace. Still feeling urgh, but today was a step forwards.

 

[Dona Morte]

Hi runners.
I saw this pop up on forums list and I had a question. I am over shape fuck and would like to build stamina for runs.
Advice?

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Hi runners.
I saw this pop up on forums list and I had a question. I am over shape fuck and would like to build stamina for runs.
Advice?

Where are you at now?

If you're just starting out, I strongly recommend one of the couch to 5k programs, as they're well developed and tested. Also, ask your family doctor for advice if you're very overweight or have joint issues or injuries, because you don't want to cause yourself problems.

 

[Dona Morte]

Where are you at now?

If you're just starting out, I strongly recommend one of the couch to 5k programs, as they're well developed and tested. Also, ask your family doctor for advice if you're very overweight or have joint issues or injuries, because you don't want to cause yourself problems.

Thanks,
No join issues no injuries.
Also couch potatoey.
What is a good walking/running shoe? I had some but now in the marked for some more. Tops 100$ range.

 

[Ugandan discussions]

Thanks,
No join issues no injuries.
Also couch potatoey.
What is a good walking/running shoe? I had some but now in the marked for some more. Tops 100$ range

Then as I suggest, try Couch 2 5k. Starts you off gently and builds until you can run for half an hour. For most people, it's a really good program.

There are literally hundreds of good running shoes. As I said in an earlier post, it is absolutely imperative that you ignore anyone who tells you what to buy (especially over the internet) because a) they're wrong and b) they're more interested in their own ego than helping you find the right thing for you.

What you need is the right shoe for you now. The wet foot test can be useful as a guide for shoe types to look for, but don't just use that. If you're a heavier runner, then I'd suggest something with a decent amount of cushioning and you'll probably benefit from a bit of extra support, so have a look at Brooks, Nike, Adidas, Asics, Hoka which all have strong shoes of that type. Make sure you're getting running shoes and not fashion shoes, the latter being as much use as a chocolate fireguard.