Kiwis with stigmatized mental conditions, how do you cope?

Mordecai 3 Finger Brown said:
An important distinction for laypeople to understand about Psychiatry is that anything classified under the "Personality Disorder" category is essentially hopeless & intractable.

1) Most people suffering from a Personality Disorder will forever be in denial that they have a Personality Disorder
2) People in denial will never seek treatment (or will never seek treatment for their actual problem)
3) Even if they did seek treatment, there's no pills to fix them
4) In theory, a very skilled psychotherapist with specific PD expertise, a willing & extremely motivated patient witn infinite resources & time could make some progress. But this is mostly cope.
5) The reality is that most people with PDs are so self-unaware, manipulative, toxic & repulsive that even in a vacuum, most professionals would rather neck themselves than treat them (which they really can't even if they wanted to).
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"Personality disorders" aren't all the same. Avoidant personality disorder sufferers aren't like borderline or narcissistic personality disorder sufferers. It's extremely reductive to pile them all together. Cluster B disorders have a lot in common with each other, hence why they're clustered together under the same banner.
 
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Borderline's will love you like no one ever had. They will make you feel like the most loved, special person in the world and then absolutely destroy you emotionally and possibly physically in a systematic way all while making you feel like you were the problem, for very little reason.

No I don't have it. I just attract crazy.
 
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Mordecai 3 Finger Brown said:
In theory, a very skilled psychotherapist with specific PD expertise, a willing & extremely motivated patient witn infinite resources & time could make some progress. But this is mostly cope
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I agree with everything but this. Infinite resources/time to improve? Where does this assumption even come from? The biggest needs are an extreme desire to change and the neural plasticity to learn emotional regulation skills/break abusive habits. Same with the therapist - they don't need to be a genius to do behavioral therapy with a patient already wanting to learn and receptive to criticism. PD treatment is highly dependent on the patient, not the doctor - unlike schizophrenia.

I know it's a very small % of the population, because it requires reflection and humiliating honesty, but they do exist. Saying that both parties need to be superhumans to see improvement is a completely retarded, online opinion and only reinforces them not getting treatment - most patients come from childhoods where basic self-soothing or distress tolerance didnt exist. just teaching them those things is a major gain for them and society even if they use it only 40% of the time. PD's at the core are learned habits, environment, and low emotional control - those are not impossible to fix.
 
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James Brown said:
I agree with everything but this. Infinite resources/time to improve? Where does this assumption even come from? The biggest needs are an extreme desire to change and the neural plasticity to learn emotional regulation skills/break abusive habits. Same with the therapist - they don't need to be a genius to do behavioral therapy with a patient already wanting to learn and receptive to criticism. PD treatment is highly dependent on the patient, not the doctor - unlike schizophrenia.

I know it's a very small % of the population, because it requires reflection and humiliating honesty, but they do exist. Saying that both parties need to be superhumans to see improvement is a completely retarded, online opinion and only reinforces them not getting treatment - most patients come from childhoods where basic self-soothing or distress tolerance didnt exist. just teaching them those things is a major gain for them and society even if they use it only 40% of the time. PD's at the core are learned habits, environment, and low emotional control - those are not impossible to fix.
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Apologies for the dumb react. I misread your post, you proved me wrong, you are winner :winner:
 
I've only known borderlines from that list (one friend, one gf), and they're easily the most hopeless type of person. This is the heroin of mental illnesses, these people are permanently fucked and you might as well just say goodbye to them. No amount of effort on your part will do anything
 
Hypercop said:
I've only known borderlines from that list (one friend, one gf), and they're easily the most hopeless type of person. This is the heroin of mental illnesses, these people are permanently fucked and you might as well just say goodbye to them. No amount of effort on your part will do anything
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This is the one derailer here I’ll agree with. You, a random girl/boyfriend or friend, cannot “fix” someone with borderline. People see them as sad wittle traumatized projects, realize that they have no clue what they’re doing, and then throw a bitch fit that they’re not “cute crazy” as opposed to “actually fucking crazy”. Like the last guy said, they can only be fixed with therapy. Not the power of friendship
 
James Brown said:
I agree with everything but this. Infinite resources/time to improve? Where does this assumption even come from?
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I was using hyperbole.

IRL most mental health patients don't get access to psychotherapy or can't afford it if they do.

Most people with mental illnesses get rushed visits & pills thrown at them from undertrained, overworked, burned out & jaded clinicians. Most providers wouldn't know how to even initiate psychotherapy if their crammed schedules or funding models allowed.

There's virtually no access to psychotherapy for the garden variety mental health conditions where the path to success outcomes is more rudimentary & favorable.

There's really no hope for entire classes of conditions like Personality Disorders without quick fix pills and are deemed mostly intractable anyhow.
 
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shadyreapers_ said:
If i diagnosed myself i would say i only have small traces of antissocial personality disorder
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I think I get what you mean, and though it’s not like “normal” in the sense of “socially acceptable”, it’s pretty average. I’m assuming what you mean is you generally don’t have empathy or care for other humans but correct me if I’m wrong cause I’m actually curious.
 
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I think I get what you mean, and though it’s not like “normal” in the sense of “socially acceptable”, it’s pretty average. I’m assuming what you mean is you generally don’t have empathy or care for other humans but correct me if I’m wrong cause I’m actually curious.
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I generally just dont fuck with people, everyone is lying to have something to talk about nowadays , and i feel very hollow, BUT , it might just be the way that im living life right now
 
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