Ladybird Browser - die Google, die

NOXIN said:
Cool idea in general, the world of browsers these days is far too incestuous and gay. But the "Windows users are so mad we're not developing for them" attitude isn't going to win any extra friends and supporters. Yes Windows and Microsoft are shit, but guess what, the general population aren't firing up Linux on their personal and work computers.
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There are a bunch of merged and unmerged PRs relating to Windows support: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pulls?q=label:windows

This PR has screenshots of Ladybird running under Windows: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pull/5981

I imagine Windows support will become a higher priority in the alpha stage of development.
 
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SCV said:
So I assume this browser will block any farms addresses as they're still an imminent threat to human life? And of course report any farmers dumb enough to log in with this? I'm sympathetic to there being no good browsers but you would need to have profound mental retardation to use this.
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its an open source browser so if they were doing anything shady someone would spot it.
 
They were once men said:
its an open source browser so if they were doing anything shady someone would spot it.
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Of course open source is better for this than proprietary software but being open source is not a panacea. Just because something is open doesn't mean anyone has actually looked at it or even that anyone who does will catch everything. Just look at the recent xz + systemd thing.

ETA: And that's before the special cloudflare cache integration or whatever I'm sure this is going to be used to try and push, just like google AMP websites.
 
SCV said:
Of course open source is better for this than proprietary software but being open source is not a panacea. Just because something is open doesn't mean anyone has actually looked at it or even that anyone who does will catch everything. Just look at the recent xz + systemd thing.
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I'm still optimistic the guy in charge seems sensible enough. Plus maybe someone will make a fork and just remove all the bad shit like some of the firefox forks do.
 
They were once men said:
I'm still optimistic the guy in charge seems sensible enough. Plus maybe someone will make a fork and just remove all the bad shit like some of the firefox forks do.
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I dunno man, that seems foolishly optimistic. People talk about the tracking google does with chrome and their 70% marketshare or whatever. Well, Cloudflare already MitMs something like half the internet so combining that with a similarly large browser market share seems even worse (worse than google! Imagine!). Seriously if you asked me to rank companies I would want producing the next big browser I think cloudflare would be at the bottom. I'm struggling to think of anyone worse, even MS since if you're on windows using edge (before it was a chromium skin) didn't really give them any additional info.

As far as principals go doesn't fucking matter who this guy is. He reports to matthew prince who has shown his true colors. You are a fool if you think matthew prince or a company as big as cloudflare is going to have "principals".

Seriously, just you fucking wait until using the cloudflare browser lets you auto-bypass all cloudflare captchas but anyone not using ladybird will have impossible captchas that fail 2/3 of the time. Just like how google fucks with youtube on firefox.
 
SCV said:
Seriously, just you fucking wait until using the cloudflare browser lets you auto-bypass all cloudflare captchas but anyone not using ladybird will have impossible captchas that fail 2/3 of the time.
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I feel this would open up potential bot abuse for Cloudflare if they did this, among other things.
SCV said:
Seriously if you asked me to rank companies I would want producing the next big browser I think cloudflare would be at the bottom.
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They're not developing but sponsoring, which doesn't equate in the slightest. That's like saying Google develops Firefox just because they're their biggest sponsor.

I will admit I'm wary since Cloudflare sponsored, but the fact that it's open sourced could mean that if there is any problems and the browser is useable, then forks can be made. I just want real alternatives man, and Firefox doesn't count because it's controlled opposition ran by retards.
 
Mister Uno said:
I will admit I'm wary since Cloudflare sponsored,
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They're just one of three top sponsors and just one of dozens of sponsors overall. Futo is as diametrically opposed to Cloudflare in terms of overall intent as it's possible to be.

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SCV said:
Seriously, just you fucking wait until using the cloudflare browser
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It is not "the cloudflare browser", you absolute gorilla nigger. It'd be as equally sensible to call it "the shopify browser". All this anguishing over cloudflare giving money to a project, when the absolute majority of that project's money comes from everyone else, is completely retarded and shows an utter lack of perspective.
 
I don't think the fears of Cloudflare sponsorship are ENTIRELY unjustified. When Firefox started taking Google money, they suddenly became very interested in DEI, activism, basically anything except improving the browser against the competition that was paying them. And now Firefox is like 2% market share.

I'm slightly more optimistic about Ladybird, but we'll see.
 
Mister Uno said:
They're not developing but sponsoring,
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teriyakiburns said:
They're just one of three top sponsors
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I had thought it was going to be like firefox getting all their money from google except from the start of development with just a figleaf non-profit. Or in other words
Lord of the Large Pants said:
When Firefox started taking Google money, they suddenly became very interested in DEI, activism, basically anything except improving the browser against the competition that was paying them
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but worse.

teriyakiburns said:
Futo
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If they're involved maybe it will be better than current year firefox. I have been saying for forever that firefox needs to die so something better can take it's place.

I see it's in the AUR. What is the extension situation?

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I have some bad news.
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teriyakiburns said:
It is not "the cloudflare browser", you absolute gorilla nigger. It'd be as equally sensible to call it "the shopify browser". All this anguishing over cloudflare giving money to a project, when the absolute majority of that project's money comes from everyone else, is completely retarded and shows an utter lack of perspective.
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Are you telling me it's actually the Futanari browser of choice??? Golly, now I'll have to sell my soul to JEWGLE because I hate pickled anime.

But really I might try it out as a daily driver, see how it works versus Firefox.
 
SCV said:
So I assume this browser will block any farms addresses as they're still an imminent threat to human life? And of course report any farmers dumb enough to log in with this? I'm sympathetic to there being no good browsers but you would need to have profound mental retardation to use this.
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This was me browsing the Farms in Ladybird that I built from Source, back in July. Running on Windows or on Linux depending on how you choose to describe WSL, but this from the Windows desktop in any case.

Removing any hard-coded site-specific blocks from the browser ought to be close to trivial for anyone who has a basic knowledge of C++.(1). Any such instructions they try to make for the browser would be via enforcing some kind of approved version in App stores so that you couldn't trivially run your own version. And you wouldn't see "if site == kiwifarms { exit }" in the code, it would be done with some kind of dynamic "site block list" that the browser was coded to bring in from some official, approved source like Google or Apple or whoever. For your safety.



(1) They're planning to migrate from C++ to Swift which doesn't sound great to be, but I've never programmed in Swift so cannot give an informed critique. It just seems unnecessary and limiting in developer base.

EDIT: Further on the Swift choice - I suppose we should be grateful for small mercies?
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Fabio Socialist said:
From the latest update:
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They mean as a Windows binary. I ran it fine on WSL (the Linux subsystem in Windows) without much trouble last Summer.

I'm concerned by the intent to migrate the entire codebase to another language. Maybe they can use AI to do some of the grunt work on that given much of the structure OO structure from C++ to Swift is presumably the same. I think it's a shame Windows is not a higher priority. Whilst Linux userbase is obviously a more tech focused audience by proportion, in absolute terms there are likely as many technical users on Windows and they are also less politically homogenous. Very easy to stir up some "X are Nazis" stuff in the Open Source community right now and hamstring projects.
 
From the October progress update video, I found this part amusing:



TLDW: Ladybird has rudimentary ad blocking via a block list they've compiled themselves. This is turned on by default. One of their new sponsors Axeptio's domain is on the block list, but won't be removed due to the no strings attached donation policy. Long term they plan on removing the ad blocking and delegate that functionality to 3rd party ad blocking extensions.
 
guiltyspark85 said:
From the October progress update video, I found this part amusing:

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TLDW: Ladybird has rudimentary ad blocking via a block list they've compiled themselves. This is turned on by default. One of their new sponsors Axeptio's domain is on the block list, but won't be removed due to the no strings attached donation policy. Long term they plan on removing the ad blocking and delegate that functionality to 3rd party ad blocking extensions.
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Amusing. And in a way, Axceptio just got more attention in the video than the other sponsor because it it. Really it's a sign of how early days the browser is that you've got these hard-coded things and blunt force approaches to turn all of them on or turn all of them off.

I look forward to seeing how lean they can keep this browser. And I'll have to take a look at how they're planning to handle extensions because if they start actually becoming successful with this then that'll be one of the main points of attack by Google - trying to make sure they don't have a healthy ecosystem.

EDIT: You got me looking through his feed. Noticed this:
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He'd probably prefer this thread (if even aware of it) to just focus on the tech and so would I pretty much, but we live in a world where a lot of the threats to a projects success aren't coding problems. Nice to see a tech-first approach, anyway.
 
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Overly Serious said:
He'd probably prefer this thread (if even aware of it) to just focus on the tech and so would I pretty much, but we live in a world where a lot of the threats to a projects success aren't coding problems. Nice to see a tech-first approach, anyway.
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If Kling keeps this up, Ladybird might be the flagship project to demonstrate that you don't need to employ or otherwise pay off do-nothing, racketeering rainbow leeches. Just have a technical focus and deliver a solid product.
 
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