Dramacow Lantzblades - Beast Lair's Autistic Scourge

[SINIB]

Oh, gods, I remember trying to RP with a bastard like that. That kind of experience is extremely shitty since, if the GM doesn't eventually stop him, he'll turn the entire cast into a glorified support role.

(They also tend to be the type that take head canon WAAAAAY too fucking seriously.)

I actually got him to admit defeat once.

 

[Rin]

I actually got him to admit defeat once.

In what context?

Sorry if I'm being nosey, but you're being a little scarce on the details, and that's what makes a funny incident a good story.

 

[SINIB]

Any quotes/caps/details?

I have some of other stuff I can compile, like my "fic." Not the one salto linked, a different one.

 

[Techpriest]

Oh, absolutely. There was the time he lost his shit at me for mispelling Satoshit's name, when he refused to speak with me or give me his skype so I could, you know, beta.

Oh and satoshi's not the third magician.

He's the second and third magician.

Isn't he also the fourth or something like that?

For those not in the know, the numbered magics (First, second, third fourth, etc.) are basically near unique, impossible to replicate magics. Second involves alternate dimensions, third is creation of the soul, first is creation of worlds IIRC, and the fourth and fifth (despite there being a canonical fifth magician) are pretty unknown.

 

[SINIB]

In what context?

Sorry if I'm being nosey, but you're being a little scarce on the details, and that's what makes a funny incident a good story.

Sorry, I'm in the middle getting knocked out by sleeping meds. He asked for help making his fic more canon, so I took the oppertunity to shit all over his stupid headcanon, it ended up with him declaring gil to be... Retarded or something, and ragequitting the entire idea of making his fic better entirely.

 

[Techpriest]

Do you have logs you're willing to share then?

 

[SINIB]

Isn't he also the fourth or something like that?

For those not in the know, the numbered magics (First, second, third fourth, etc.) are basically near unique, impossible to replicate magics. Second involves alternate dimensions, third is creation of the soul, first is creation of worlds IIRC, and the fourth and fifth (despite there being a canonical fifth magician) are pretty unknown.

First is essentially unknown, afaik.

Do you have logs you're willing to share then?

Yes, of the last story. I can gather them tomorrow, maybe.

 

[Cubanodun]

Isn't he also the fourth or something like that?

For those not in the know, the numbered magics (First, second, third fourth, etc.) are basically near unique, impossible to replicate magics. Second involves alternate dimensions, third is creation of the soul, first is creation of worlds IIRC, and the fourth and fifth (despite there being a canonical fifth magician) are pretty unknown.

i dont know the fourth but the fifth we called it in joke the TARDIS Magic because nasu imply that is time travel, so yeah, the jokes about Aoko and the Doctor exist

 

[SINIB]

Sorry about the delay I had computer issues. I couldn't find it, the forum it happened on is a total mess. However, I did find some other amusing things of his while searching for it.

Spoiler: Incomprehensible stuff about his oc

Satoshi dead from the start of the story, he is simply not aware of this until his body dies closing the gate angra is bleeding from (there's a bit of time travel involved but to be clear he doesn't process willful time travel, merlin did it) his soul is located in avalon (the place not the sheathe) he died at the age of five when gilgamesh tossed him through a post box into a brick wall. Saber gave him avalon hoping to save him but that just healed his body. his soul is protected by the fairies and his body is a puppet unbeknownst to him, not unlike leysritt or sella he's a construct. his soul does not occupy his body this allows a number of things including the haphazard use of the unlimited blade works (as archer's soul temporary occupies his body) as strictly speaking he's not using it, it's still a massive pain and messes his shit up every time he uses it. the fact that his body is a mere puppet is why Shiki tohno can't permanantly remove limbs and such. in answer to the next obvious question he loses the immunity to MEoDP once his body and soul are back together again. he also loses his beyond human abilities completely and is forced to learn again how to fight.

Spoiler: comic book shit

I highly doubt that's a universal sentiment given the comic book industry Bdoom. Nevertheless that is the point of a reboot, to give new readers an in. However asking me to research yet again solely for the benefit of the new crowd is unreasonable. If you guys want him to be in line with the current state of the Nasuverse it's on you to bring the problems for discussion. I'm perfectly fine with he and his chilling in the silver age so to speak.


That's plain ignorance Bdoom, comic book fans deal with revisions all the time, so it's very relevant to the subject at hand. As to Gil's vault, extra is an alternate universe, therefore it does not count. As is apoc. Neither has any bearing on FSN Gilgamesh or his powers.

Spoiler: Gilgamesh

[quote author=lantzblades link=topic=398.msg22994#msg22994 date=1411937392]
Yeah, all of that is basically invalid as of the current time. His power boosts make him unbeatable by everything but the shadow at this point. As such there's no way to have him in the story without a massive depowering. He was already a problem for the original Satoshi, depowering Satoshi and then powering up Gilgamesh makes it pointless to include Gilgamesh because any fight will simply result in the same outcome no matter what.
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[quote author=KAIZA link=topic=398.msg22995#msg22995 date=1411937665]
Except...Gil wasn't powered up. We just got an explanation of his powers. That's it. It's the same ol' Gil as in Fate. He is as OP now as he was then. Hell, Ea alone shows how powerful he is when fighting seriously...and that's the point. He rarely does so. That's the exploit. That's his "de-powering", which is canon.

So, no, you don't have to de-power him.
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[quote author=lantzblades link=topic=398.msg22996#msg22996 date=1411938332]
Actually he was, those explanations invalidate Avalon, Excalibur, the actually ability for ubw to be a trump card (it's not anymore when you do the math) and even Gilgamesh's fortitude. He went from being powerful but beatable to unkillable because there's no longer a way to take advantage of his ego.
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[quote author=Cherry Lover link=topic=398.msg22997#msg22997 date=1411938433]
In what way do the explanations given invalidate any of those things?
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[quote author=lantzblades link=topic=398.msg22998#msg22998 date=1411939413]
He has items that are the same as Avalon and Excalibur, not copies or originals but items that produce the same effects as powerfully if not more so, having an unlimited number of swords is UBW's one advantage over the gate but that doesn't matter because if Gilgamesh is disarmed the weapons just return to the gate instantly so it can't beat Gilgamesh even conceptually anymore.and apparent CCC added some new crap about his endurance and crap so he's even tougher. And new super phantasms as well. So nothing works anymore. Look I know the ignorant people who never paid attention missed this but in the original version Satoshi had a hell of a time winning a fight. A rebooted Satoshi cannot win and even if Archer, Shirou or Saber could still win it's pointless. That means anytime Gilgamesh is a threat Satoshi will have to be saved by someone, last I checked heroes who are saved by their parents aren't good protagonists even slightly.
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Sorry about the messy quotes at the end, I'm tired. I'll find some more stuff later, there's nearly an infinite amount.

 

[Techpriest]

>Immune to Mystic Eyes of Death Perception

I... what?

I don't remember him stating that, that's five times more fucking bullshit than I even considered Satoshi before this.

 

[Rin]

>Immune to Mystic Eyes of Death Perception

I... what?

I don't remember him stating that, that's five times more fucking bullshit than I even considered Satoshi before this.

He has to be immune to ALL THE THINGS, otherwise he might not win in a fight! Never mind that he's not even roleplaying with this character, so if he doesn't want to worry about being killed by a Shiki, he can just not pick a fight with one of them.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

Satoshi dead from the start of the story, he is simply not aware of this until his body dies closing the gate angra is bleeding from (there's a bit of time travel involved but to be clear he doesn't process willful time travel, merlin did it)

... I'm assuming this will make more sense the further I play into Fate/Stay Night? Because from what I gathered, it's hard to go through a story when one of the first aspects you bring up is "btw the guy is dead."

 

[Techpriest]

... I'm assuming this will make more sense the further I play into Fate/Stay Night? Because from what I gathered, it's hard to go through a story when one of the first aspects you bring up is "btw the guy is dead."

Of Swords and Sorcery is basically the Sonichu to Fate/Stay Night's Pokemon/Sonic; don't worry about it.

Just read the VN and enjoy it.

He has to be immune to ALL THE THINGS, otherwise he might not win in a fight! Never mind that he's not even roleplaying with this character, so if he doesn't want to worry about being killed by a Shiki, he can just not pick a fight with one of them.

Oh yeah. Lantz is like that to an insane degree. He's really basically the Shaner of the Nasu RP and Fanfiction.

 

[Rin]

Oh yeah. Lantz is like that to an insane degree. He's really basically the Shaner of the Nasu RP and Fanfiction.

Eh, it's actually pretty common with Gary Stus. He has to prove his dick powerlevel is bigger than anyone else's, after all.

 

[SINIB]

He gets really really mad when you call him a sue

Spoiler

Marysues, the batman paradigm and other stuff

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by
lantzblades
, February 9th, 2012 at 02:27 PM (405 Views)
I don't really blog but here goes.

Mary sues oh boy Mary sues.

Some people think I take issue with being accused of writing Mary sues. While I do it's not the same as many think. The term Mary sue started with lieutenant Mary sue a character made to point out and parody everything wrong with star trek characters at the time due to the introduction of a certain acting ensign Crusher. since then the term mary sue is more or less equal to "you suck as a writer" and as such is offensive when it is in no way followed up as it isn't constructive.

I think I should add that I have no issue with people thinking a character i write is a mary sue everyone has their opinion. However an opinion is only valid once a person is educated on a subject. in this case meaning that readers need to read the (as of the moment) unposted work to be anything but trolls.

A Mary sue is not the powers or the personality of a character, it is not their feats either. a mary sue is established by the sum against the setting and canon cast. if this were not the case then characters like superman, batman, the flash, wolverine, Sakura, Rin or Saber would be mary sues

The batman paradigm

the batman paradigm is when a character is fanboy to the point of being untouchable. It is in fact present on the board with a number of characters and it in turn intensifies the hating on the characters left out. it is my opinion with need to stop this in it's tracks because it's just bringing the board down as a whole. after all we aren't grade schoolers

otherstuff

the psn has given me a wealth of inspiration for fics. it's a amazing what will trigger ideas, music, games, tv and books. so if you guys get stuck play a game it'll do wonders.

i'm not much for the blogging thing but I may use this for project status updates and the like.

Edit: I don't get how spoilers work on this forum.

And sorry for the double post I'm used to posts merging.

 

[Rin]

Spoiler

Marysues, the batman paradigm and other stuff

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11 Comments
by
lantzblades
, February 9th, 2012 at 02:27 PM (405 Views)
I don't really blog but here goes.

Mary sues oh boy Mary sues.

Some people think I take issue with being accused of writing Mary sues. While I do it's not the same as many think. The term Mary sue started with lieutenant Mary sue a character made to point out and parody everything wrong with star trek characters at the time due to the introduction of a certain acting ensign Crusher. since then the term mary sue is more or less equal to "you suck as a writer" and as such is offensive when it is in no way followed up as it isn't constructive.

I think I should add that I have no issue with people thinking a character i write is a mary sue everyone has their opinion. However an opinion is only valid once a person is educated on a subject. in this case meaning that readers need to read the (as of the moment) unposted work to be anything but trolls.

A Mary sue is not the powers or the personality of a character, it is not their feats either. a mary sue is established by the sum against the setting and canon cast. if this were not the case then characters like superman, batman, the flash, wolverine, Sakura, Rin or Saber would be mary sues

The batman paradigm

the batman paradigm is when a character is fanboy to the point of being untouchable. It is in fact present on the board with a number of characters and it in turn intensifies the hating on the characters left out. it is my opinion with need to stop this in it's tracks because it's just bringing the board down as a whole. after all we aren't grade schoolers

otherstuff

the psn has given me a wealth of inspiration for fics. it's a amazing what will trigger ideas, music, games, tv and books. so if you guys get stuck play a game it'll do wonders.

i'm not much for the blogging thing but I may use this for project status updates and the like.

Edit: I don't get how spoilers work on this forum.

And sorry for the double post I'm used to posts merging.

This is the thing about him that makes me want to shake him the most. He constantly insists that it's not fair people are judging his character when they don't have all the details. If that's the case, he should just stop talking about his character altogether. Seriously, not even kidding. If you ask people what they think of something, then you have to expect them to fucking answer the question.

 

[Cubanodun]

Oh dear let's see this madness again

(there's a bit of time travel involved but to be clear he doesn't process willful time travel, merlin did it)

Considering Fate/grand order this is... debatable but this happened before that so it doesn't count, the grail use third magic not fifth so "time travel" my ass

his soul is protected by the fairies and his body is a puppet unbeknownst to him

Fairies are only extensions of the spirit of the world, they are not that big deal, "protecting" his soul is practically third magic that they can't use

(as archer's soul temporary occupies his body

Unleast he is asspulling himself a Fate/kaleid prisma illya or Grand order (Shielder is half servant half human) this is basically impossible, EMIYA soul is in the Throne of heroes, when he is summoned what we see is a copy of the soul that is residing in the throne

use of the unlimited blade works

he doesn't have EMIYA origin, so nope

mere puppet is why Shiki tohno can't permanently remove limbs and such.

Puppets possessed by a soul CAN be killed even by someone using Mystic eyes of dead perception, is clearly stated by nasu when he is explaining Shirou condition after Heaven feels, Puppet shiro can even get sick

He has items that are the same as Avalon and Excalibur, not copies or originals but items that produce the same effects

so relics... big deal

This is the thing about him that makes me want to shake him the most. He constantly insists that it's not fair people are judging his character when they don't have all the details. If that's the case, he should just stop talking about his character altogether. Seriously, not even kidding. If you ask people what they think of something, then you have to expect them to fucking answer the question.

he is worst than a mary sue, he is a UNINFORMED mary sue, he can't even get the crunch right

 

[SINIB]

Unleast he is asspulling himself a Fate/kaleid prisma illya or Grand order (Shielder is half servant half human) this is basically impossible, EMIYA soul is in the Throne of heroes, when he is summoned what we see is a copy of the soul that is residing in the throne

Actually no, it's always been a thing. Rin mentions it in the prologue.

This is the thing about him that makes me want to shake him the most. He constantly insists that it's not fair people are judging his character when they don't have all the details. If that's the case, he should just stop talking about his character altogether. Seriously, not even kidding. If you ask people what they think of something, then you have to expect them to fucking answer the question.

He honestly expects people to read over forty chapters before the plot even begins to take off. He's incredible.

 

[Cubanodun]

Actually no, it's always been a thing. Rin mentions it in the prologue.

Servants occuping bodies? the only case i have see is Shielder i dont remember that part

 

[SINIB]

Servants occuping bodies? the only case i have see is Shielder i dont remember that part

Well there's Ruler in Apocrypha for one, but Rin mentions it as an aside in the original VN during one of her great infodumps.