EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Ok and burning peoples' cars helps how?

When antifa pulls this shit, or let's face it, usually much less shit, in the US because they think Trump is a disney villain they're condemned here.

Edit: I'm an American so it would be hypocritical for me to believe that at no point is political violence justified. But I'm not convinced France is remotely at that point or that the violence is being directed at the proper recipients.

There's no bad tactics only bad targets.
 
Do you think they could have accomplished the same thing through just demonstrations and mass strikes? You know, nonviolent stuff that violates no ones rights?
This sounds very communist.

No it's bad to get out of our control while we throw gernades at you and actually affect us beyond us simply washing your blood away.

See to be a good citizen you have to protest peacefully that way it doesn't actually affect us and it's easier to keep you controlled.


Showing restraint in the face of tyranny is the same as surrendering and so those preaching it are in effect collaborating.
 
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Do you think they could have accomplished the same thing through just demonstrations and mass strikes? You know, nonviolent stuff that violates no ones rights?


There has been numerous protests in France since Macron took up power. In April - May for instance, the country was paralysed by air and transport strikes, and most schools and universities were blocked (my own Bachelor exams had to be replaced with coursework at home because the uni was blockaded for a month).
There were even calendars on when to avoid visiting France for tourists. That’s how bad it was. https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.the...in-and-plane-travel-in-france-this-spring/amp

But guess what? It was non violent, and so it failed. As much as I hate seeing Paris burn, violence does work.

And there’s a big difference between a country wide movement with around 79% public approval fighting very unpopular reforms and a bunch of antifa cucks trashing Berkeley to protest free speech.
 
I suppose that's the crux of the argument. Here, Antifa and BLM riots are mostly condemned, and they have a good habit of fucking up their own communities when the shit really starts going, see Detroit. France is having an actual popular revolt, something we haven't had to see in quite a long time. If the numbers are right and most of the country is behind the revolt, it's to be expected they all head to the heart of elitism and start breaking things.
 
Optimism rising...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-westminster-bridge-blocked-pro-13733051

Yellow vest protesters, similar to those who have brought swathes of France to a standstill, blocked Westminster Bridge this morning.

A live stream, hosted on Facebook page 'Fighting for Justice', showed activists blocking the bridge before they were moved on by police.

They then stopped outside Downing Street, with pro-Brexit chants heard.

Chants of 'Brexit now!' were shouted by the Brexiteers as Theresa May holds crunch talks with EU leaders trying to improve the Withdrawal Agreement.

A spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police said they were aware of the protest and added there were not any arrests.

Two protesters were filmed holding up a Union Jack on the bridge.
 
American antifa would be the type that would be entirely in favor for Macron if anything else. Both they and him share the exact same distain for people that live 20 miles away from major metropolitan areas because they're probably icky right-leaning - May Allah forgive me for uttering this word - populists
 
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To our French Kiwis: Would you prefer the Orleanist pretender, the Bonapartist prettender or a new president to replace your current dictator-like president?
 
To our French Kiwis: Would you prefer the Orleanist pretender, the Bonapartist prettender or a new president to replace your current dictator-like president?

I’d go for a Bourbon monarchy personally. Louis XX is the most entertaining by far (if you pay attention to royalist politics in France). And he publicly supports the Yellow Vests.

Napeoleon’s descendant could’ve been a good choice too, alas he is a trader in a private equity in London, which feels like a betrayal of his family name.

Speaking more realistically though, if Macron does resign, which is highly unlikely (if anything, he’ll blame it all on the Prime Minister), his function is assumed by the President of the Senate until new elections are held, in which case, there’s still no decent political candidate other than ultra nationalist Marine Le Pen and communist Melenchon.

Since I’m a Russian immigrant, I’m leery of the ultra nationalists though I do agree with most of their points regarding immigration from southern countries, and the whole anti islamisation agenda.

As for Melenchon, during the last election, when it came to agenda should he be elected, he flat out said he had none beyond dissolving the 5th Republic, and organising true elections for the people by the people. To which he wouldn’t be a candidate because he’s old and wants to retire.
It is pretty hilarious as a concept, but I doubt many would want two elections in a row.

Tldr: political candidates in France are a mess.
 
Round five: Yellow Vests prepare for massive ‘Macron resign’ protest on Saturday

>Paris is bracing for yet another round of Yellow Vest protests, with demonstrators planning to take to the streets on Saturday. More than 10,000 people have already RSVP'd on Facebook to the ‘Acte 5: Macron Démission’ march.

>The organizers, consisting of some 15 groups, have outlined their list of demands on Facebook, saying they will continue their action against Macron until all their demands are met.

>“Our organizations support the demands of tax and social justice brought by the movement of yellow vests. They call for demonstrations Saturday, December 15, for social justice and tax, for a real democracy, for equal rights, for a true ecological transition…” the planners said in a statement, as quoted by Le Parisien.

>Security officials are gearing up for the protests, with Paris Police Chief Michel Delpuech stating that tens of thousands of cops will be deployed across France, and some 8,000 in Paris

>Delpuech told RTL that authorities are aiming to be in “better control” of the situation than they were last weekend, when more than 125,000 people hit the streets of France, 10,000 of whom protested in Paris

>Ahead of the demonstrations planned for Saturday, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said it was time for the Yellow Vest protesters to scale down their demonstrations and accept that they had achieved their aims, as Macron has granted concessions as a result of the rallies.

>“I'd rather have the police force doing their real job, chasing criminals and combating the terrorism threat, instead of securing roundabouts where a few thousand people keep a lot of police busy,” he said, just days after an attack at a Christmas market in Strasbourg killed four people and injured around a dozen others.



https://www.rt.com/news/446504-france-yellow-vest-macron-protests/
 
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