EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Yeah, I think I said it months ago - French people are okay with any regime as long as it doesn’t disturb their day-to-day life.
That’s also why most French people didn’t mind the Vichy (Nazi-allied) regime back during WW2. For 80-90% of the population, it didn’t really have any impact on their routine, so nobody really cared.

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Same year as Stalingrad btw.

Anyways, from the perspective of someone living in Paris, the Yellow Vest movement is less popular than in November, by far.
It’s not gone, and the center of Paris is still blocked every Saturday, and you still have cop violence against protesters, but honestly, the momentum is gone.

And that’s coming from someone that covered the November - December riots, and who really wanted to see Macron’s regime being toppled, just for the sake of it.

There’s a very nice French expression that’s used to talk about it - “s’essouffler”, meaning to get out of breath. And I think that’s very apt. Past Christmas, the Yellow Vest movement really never got back to the same scope as before.

Now, the new “hot topic” is climate change. And an anti-European sentiment that pervades all social actions.

Tldr: Yellow Vests aren’t gone, but the movement has less impact and public support now. The media blackout doesn’t help either.

That's disappointing it's starting to run out of puff. But since Macron won't back down, all he has to do is win a war of attrition. Unarmed civilians against armoured vehicles and police who won't hesitate to shoot people point blank. The YV needed to keep winning victories but it's just stagnated and I'm not surprised the people are now getting sick of it.
 
That's disappointing it's starting to run out of puff. But since Macron won't back down, all he has to do is win a war of attrition. Unarmed civilians against armoured vehicles and police who won't hesitate to shoot people point blank. The YV needed to keep winning victories but it's just stagnated and I'm not surprised the people are now getting sick of it.

Well more like people are getting accustomed to having roads and city centres blocked every Saturday, and seeing new police brutality victims in the online news.

The YV should’ve just stormed the Presidential palace back in November, when they had overwhelming public support.
I was rooting for that tbh. Always wanted to see a revolution within my lifetime.

The closest I got to it was being in Djerba, Tunisia during the Arab spring.
But we were in a 5 star hotel spa and were stuck inside the resort for the duration of the unrest. That and Djerba was pretty calm compared to Tunis and in-land Tunisia, so nothing of consequence really happened, and no immolations on the streets.
 
So all Macron had to do was lie low for a few weeks and not report any of it, and it all just blows over? Heh, future dictators, take notes.
They didn't have enough outside support like Euromaidan in Ukraine did. That had NATO and private support too (Soros, oil companies like whatever Joe Biden's son was doing there, etc.) GJ had very little of that. Obviously the media has ignored them from Day 1 except for pre-approved articles they can write/feed to other media (usually how the protests are weakening or how they're all homophobes/antisemites/Nazis/Putin's puppets), but this was more for the sake of the international crowd. Don't want to draw attention to Macron's brutality.

From what I can tell, the movement itself seems to have had some problems. Just look at some of the lists of demands they had. It's hard to unite both the FN and the communists. They could've focused on more narrow demands--i.e. Macron resigns, and rollbacks on some laws.

The lessons learned here should be taken down and kept in mind by anyone who wants to stand against the current world order.
 
The YV should’ve just stormed the Presidential palace back in November, when they had overwhelming public support.
I was rooting for that tbh. Always wanted to see a revolution within my lifetime.

Yeah same. I was half expecting them to drag Macron out and guillotine him in the street they were so pissed. Back when they had the numbers, they could have easily overwhelmed the police. Makes sense he skipped the country at the early onset.
 
They didn't have enough outside support like Euromaidan in Ukraine did. That had NATO and private support too (Soros, oil companies like whatever Joe Biden's son was doing there, etc.) GJ had very little of that. Obviously the media has ignored them from Day 1 except for pre-approved articles they can write/feed to other media (usually how the protests are weakening or how they're all homophobes/antisemites/Nazis/Putin's puppets), but this was more for the sake of the international crowd. Don't want to draw attention to Macron's brutality.

From what I can tell, the movement itself seems to have had some problems. Just look at some of the lists of demands they had. It's hard to unite both the FN and the communists. They could've focused on more narrow demands--i.e. Macron resigns, and rollbacks on some laws.

The lessons learned here should be taken down and kept in mind by anyone who wants to stand against the current world order.

At first (and I mean at the very start of the protests), the YV were apolitical though. And their only demands were 1. Roll back tax on fuel, and 2. Macron resign.

The issues here is that - when it’s another country that has protests against a democratically elect government, it’s people fighting for freedom, but when that happens on your own turf, suddenly the very same people fighting the government are anti-democratic, violent rioters that should be suppressed.

That’s what actually irks me the most - protests against the Algerian President? France is in. How dare he want to stay in power?
Riots in Venezuela? Yeah, support that US-backed puppet. Who cares if they already have a President.
EuroMaidan in Ukraine? Hell yeah, we’re backing that. Gotta get some NATO bases close to Russia.
Khadafi’s in power for too long and wants to swap to Dinar instead of Dollars for oil trade? That’s it. Libya needs freedom. Send in the missiles.

But Yellow Jackets in France? Nope. Censor and shoot at them. Obviously these people are in the wrong.

Obviously, all the governments I listed above are considered less democratic than France. But they still remain sovereign nations, and meddling in their politics is just distasteful. Especially when you let others, arguably worse countries like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran etc. alone.

That and France’s last elections were weird. Not in the sense of electoral fraud, mind you. Just that all the original candidates fell prey to awfully timed political scandals that ruined their reputation, and had them withdraw from the election, “forcing” Macron to step in and shoulder that terrible burden.

Also keep in mind that France is more civilised so to speak? At least compared to Eastern Europe or Arab countries or Africa. And I don’t mean that in a “the white man’s burden” kind of way. Just that, in France, people will be less likely to resort to actual violence. That stuff belongs in history books here.
Looting is common as a crime of opportunity, sure. But very few would want to lay down their lives in pursuit of an ideal. Especially something as small as a fuel tax (comparatively speaking).

Whereas, speaking for Eastern Europe at least, people are more principled, violent, and human life has less value.
My father was in Kiev during the EuroMaidan, and when his Ukrainian friends (who helped him out during the riots) came to Paris last December and saw the Yellow Vests, they just laughed.
In Ukraine, it was being portrayed as a French Maidan at the time, and they were expecting more, well, “rioting”. Instead what they got was peaceful and chill protests they partook in for fun.

So yeah, the YV had their chance during the first weekend when Macron was in fact in Paris, before his prompt departure to Sudan or whether it was.
Sadly, they blew it.
 
I'd say that Venezuela is more democratic than France. It's actually a good example of "an excess of democracy" like James Madison once talked of back at the founding of the USA, where the impoverished majority all voted to take rich peoples money and use it to improve their own station.
 
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So did he ever actually cancel the new tax? I saw the stuff about holding a national debate on it or w/e, or putting it off for a bit. But did he ever say the tax is dead?

If not, what will they do if it pops back up?
 
Still goin'
https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1106838258615500800 (http://archive.vn/gpiTp)
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1106892942252347392 (http://archive.vn/lK5Kv) (Good footage of crowd size in different cities and stuff)

The Arc was a little spicy today:

What's the French translation for "Fight Club" I wonder? Riot cop here throwing down.
I wish that boxer from a few weeks back was there.

Shit's on fire (again):


There's a lot of fire today, actually:


Special appearance by the EU flag:

Breaking the Boss:

Macron went skiing with granny today:
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Also there's the "broken image" picture on the archives and streamables for some reason but they're working fine.
 
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I missed this from last week -- they're still carrying G36's
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I am quite relieved they haven't given the rifles to the type of tough guy cop(s) who stated openly how they wanted to use them on unarmed protestors a few weeks ago. I hope.

A wider elevated shot of that one news stand that got torched:
 
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It's like the West caught fascism fever over the weekend:

France sacked the Paris police chief and replaced him with someone more hardline and now they're moving to ban the Yellow Vest protests:

"France will ban "yellow vest" protests in some areas of the country, including Paris' Champs Elysées, after violence erupted during demonstrations this weekend"
 
It's like the West caught fascism fever over the weekend:

France sacked the Paris police chief and replaced him with someone more hardline and now they're moving to ban the Yellow Vest protests:

"France will ban "yellow vest" protests in some areas of the country, including Paris' Champs Elysées, after violence erupted during demonstrations this weekend"
That will go well. If there's anything the French are known for, it's their compliance with the government.
 
Still goin'
https://twitter.com/Gerrrty/status/1106838258615500800 (http://archive.vn/gpiTp)
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1106892942252347392 (http://archive.vn/lK5Kv) (Good footage of crowd size in different cities and stuff)

The Arc was a little spicy today:

What's the French translation for "Fight Club" I wonder? Riot cop here throwing down.
I wish that boxer from a few weeks back was there.

Shit's on fire (again):


There's a lot of fire today, actually:


Special appearance by the EU flag:

Breaking the Boss:

Macron went skiing with granny today:
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Also there's the "broken image" picture on the archives and streamables for some reason but they're working fine.
After the talk of the movement being over, this is enough to make my heart go pitter-pat.
 
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