EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
What are the chances this will catch fire into full scale Le Boogaloo with guillotines and stuff

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Zero. From the pictures alone you'd think the country is on the verge of collapse, but in truth the crushing majority of French people does not take part in the protests and is either indifferent to or increasingly annoyed by the whole thing.

The French are under a constitution that was written in the middle of a war specifically to weather any kind of crisis. They basically live under an elected monarch, whose grip over the institutions is extremely tight. The president can bypass the Parliament at will, for example, although Macron is smart enough not to try this while the protests continue.

My point is, you'd need ten times the amount of unrest they have now for Macron to be in any real danger.

Imo the real reason this has gone on for so long is that the French unions are desperate to prove they can still bite in current year. The unions have been increasingly neutered during the past two decades, and now that Macron has whipped enough people into a frenzy for them to be relevant again, they will not relent. It's their chance to regain the influence they lost.
 
What are the chances this will catch fire into full scale Le Boogaloo with guillotines and stuff

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Unless the European (or world) economy goes to absolute shit then pretty slim. Though I don't think you'd be wrong to use the "So there's a chance" meme from Dumb and Dumber, either.
 
Zero. From the pictures alone you'd think the country is on the verge of collapse, but in truth the crushing majority of French people does not take part in the protests and is either indifferent to or increasingly annoyed by the whole thing.

The French are under a constitution that was written in the middle of a war specifically to weather any kind of crisis. They basically live under an elected monarch, whose grip over the institutions is extremely tight. The president can bypass the Parliament at will, for example, although Macron is smart enough not to try this while the protests continue.

My point is, you'd need ten times the amount of unrest they have now for Macron to be in any real danger.

Imo the real reason this has gone on for so long is that the French unions are desperate to prove they can still bite in current year. The unions have been increasingly neutered during the past two decades, and now that Macron has whipped enough people into a frenzy for them to be relevant again, they will not relent. It's their chance to regain the influence they lost.

it doesnt matter if it leads to his fall, the goal must be to have some kind of process for entirety of macron presidency.

Hell Look at this

Second round. there is time until 2022

Polling firmFieldwork dateSample
size
Abs.Macron
LREM
Le Pen
RN
Ifop28–30 Oct 2019139655%45%
Ifop-Fiducial27–28 May 201992757%43%
Ifop1–2 Feb 201991256%44%
2017 election7 May 201725.44%66.10%33.90%
 
Zero. From the pictures alone you'd think the country is on the verge of collapse, but in truth the crushing majority of French people does not take part in the protests and is either indifferent to or increasingly annoyed by the whole thing.

The French are under a constitution that was written in the middle of a war specifically to weather any kind of crisis. They basically live under an elected monarch, whose grip over the institutions is extremely tight. The president can bypass the Parliament at will, for example, although Macron is smart enough not to try this while the protests continue.

My point is, you'd need ten times the amount of unrest they have now for Macron to be in any real danger.

Imo the real reason this has gone on for so long is that the French unions are desperate to prove they can still bite in current year. The unions have been increasingly neutered during the past two decades, and now that Macron has whipped enough people into a frenzy for them to be relevant again, they will not relent. It's their chance to regain the influence they lost.
Sounds a lot like the Winter of Discontent in the UK. Pretty crazy shit, and it seems more likely to harm the unions than aid them.

SPOILER: Super long but IMO interesting documentary on the Winter of Discontent:
 
I'm not sure which is more astonishing. That this is still going on or that it's invisible in the media here.

Back when this kicked off it seemed to me to be a bit of a fusion between Left and Right and that was worrying because that's historically the breeding ground for fascism. (The real kind, not the SJW kind). But I'm guessing that by this point the remaining movement are largely Lefties, is that a fair analysis?

Interesting to see Marine Le Pen climbing in popularity. Is that in response to the protests or in solidarity with them? I know far too little about the allegiances of French political factions and who is with what.
 
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Sounds a lot like the Winter of Discontent in the UK. Pretty crazy shit, and it seems more likely to harm the unions than aid them.
The French like to protest and dont like to work. they are also alot more centrist than UK Unions.

What are the chances this will catch fire into full scale Le Boogaloo with guillotines and stuff
Zero. they dont hate the system, they just hate the guys on top.


The French Police looks alot weaker now. their men look smaller and older and we see more woman. they are way less aggressive .

Im pretty sure they burned out alot of their better Riot Cops. the first Videos from a Year ago have giant Cops that act like a unit in them.
the newest have alot smaller cops who act very passive and less trained. they also lack the ability to bust a demonstration by now.
 
Back when this kicked off it seemed to me to be a bit of a fusion between Left and Right and that was worrying because that's historically the breeding ground for fascism. (The real kind, not the SJW kind). But I'm guessing that by this point the remaining movement are largely Lefties, is that a fair analysis?
Yeah that's correct. Originally the yellow jackets claimed to be apolitical and they rejected several French politicians' offers to take them under their wing. However as time went on it became obvious most of them were right-wing, since most of them are blue collars with shit jobs and just like in the US the French left has long since stopped caring about workers in favors of sheltering rapefugees and distributing troon pills, leaving the workers to turn to the right.

When it turned out they were not, for the most part, lefties, the champagne-sipping inbreds who control the media turned their backs on them. Now Macron can put the blame for LePen's rise in popularity squarely on their shoulders. Their constant refusal to compromise has left them with no ally, and now that it's no longer politically profitable to support them they're being ignored. People have grown used to them, and they have lost a lot of steam.

But their protests have emboldened the commies. The massive strikes that are happening now are the doing of the usual socialist unions, who felt a disturbance in the force and decided to capitalize on Macron's vulnerability to show they're still there. The yellow jackets have kind of been absorbed by them.

So yeah now it's mostly lefties running the show, and they use tried-and-true leftist tactics, like harassing colleagues who refuse to go on strikes because they have a family to feed or occupying shopping malls to make sure the poor cashiers don't get their Christmas bonuses.

tl;dr: The Yellow Jackets' movement has started to fizzle out because their shows of force did not translate to political power but there are still "pockets of resistance" in the country (mostly in Paris), and the leftist unions have picked up where they left off. Macron is locked in an arm-wrestling match with the leftist unions and it's drowning the YJ out more and more.
 
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Tired today, I'll do the recap tomorrow. To tide you over though, have a story about how some baguettes from the other union strike blocked the Louvre yesterday:

Also FWIW I will keep doing these, though after the other strike with the unions gets resolved I'm going to do an end of the month recap instead of a weekly recap. Kind of easier especially since the good or otherwise entertaining stuff tends to come out a few days after each protest. And when I say "resolved" I mean the union strikers either completely going away on their own or the government giving them some agreements that makes them do so.
 
Did they realy try to storm the theater Macaroni was in?
I dunno, haven't looked at any feeds today. Le Macaroni usually makes himself scarce in Paris every Saturday, or at least he did this time last year -- dunno if he still does. He's probably humping granny in the alps while angry baguettes in bright vests are breaking shit and being weird in the cities -- again, just like last year.
 
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1218494357952782338 (http://archive.vn/S0dqm)

Must be a tradition to punch a protester for good luck

This dude's smartphone stopped a flashball from hitting his ball(s)

Laughed at this, not gonna lie

Burnt surveillance pole

Another opera performance. These are neat, I wish more protests had orchestral performances.

Also it seems Mr. Macaroni was indeed at a theater in Paris, but it was on Friday. I don't see anything about "storming" the theater but he did get a fairly predictable reception as he drove off

Again with the tiki torches (this was the 16th)

Found hotwheels again. This is a weird one this clip.

Oh and some lawyers and doctors threw their court attire/doctors jackets on the floor in protest as part of the other strike. Frogs are weird.
 
Found hotwheels again. This is a weird one this clip.
Does he just drive in front of a police line playing star wars music? well i guess it doesnt matter if the police breaks his legs...


The sound in some of those clips sounds alot like football fans, a potent way of escalating would be the death of one of those. that would send 10k realy bulky and aggressive guys into overdrive.
 
Did they realy try to storm the theater Macaroni was in?

They tried, and a leftie « militant » journalist who was in the theatre along with Macron got arrested over it, for supposedly broadcasting the President’s location to discontent masses.

Since then, he was released but a case will be opened against him for « organisation of a non-authorised public manifestation », which could still get him prison time.French Link

For information, this is the tweet he posted:
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translation: i’m actually at the Theatre « les Bouffes du Nord » (La Chapelle metro), 3 rows behind the President. Some militants are lurking around and calling for everyone to come here. Something is gonna go down... the evening will be eventful »

As you can see, nowhere does he himself encourage people to storm the theatre, but *shrug*.


Anyways, in other Macaroni news, his favourite restaurant La Rotonde, in the 6th district of Paris, has been set on fire on Saturday in what looks like arson. Apparently, it had already been set on fire unsuccessfully in early January (again, most likely because of Macron), and this Saturday some dude broke the windows and poured gas inside at 5am.

Thankfully, only a couple of tables burned, and the fire has been quickly contained. In between this and the theatre, seems some people are getting really desperate.
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English article about it

Funnily enough, this restaurant is mostly prized by « champagne socialists ». Our former President Hollande used to go there too.

All in all, it’s a cool cafe - restaurant, where prices aren’t too high for the quality of service and food. And a lot of students go there for coffee since it’s a student neighbourhood. Also, it has history, as it used to be a popular hotspot for literary / artsy types in the 1920s - 1930s. Trotsky went there too for a bit of commie history.

If they really wanted to arson the fuck out of the « elite » landmark, they should’ve gone for La Closerie des Lilas on the same boulevard, or any other restaurant like le Meurice or la Tour d’Argent, where prices easily go in the thousands.
 
Was preoccupied with the sneezing Chinamen thread yesterday, sorry.

Anyway, week 63:
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1221057003965075457 (http://archive.vn/Ha9bb)
https://twitter.com/CharlesBaudry/status/1221064800693837827 (https://archive.ph/TZOnR)


From the other protest. Activist judges aren't just a thing in the States I guess.

Also from the other protest. They like doing these night processions. They should use flares for maximum cool effect.

For a second I thought this was in DC.

Bullying some biker nerds

France, as always, is a "unique" place
 
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