VTuber Leaflit & Asari - (conservative mom and daughter VTuber duo who mostly do political commentary)

I guarantee that if she just looks into it herself (maybe even checking in on the farms info directly) she'll have a reasonable take about it. Trying to brute force a stubborn woman into doing something does not work.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
If her saying "I will check it out at my own pace and on my own time, and disavow him if it's proven to be true. Stop sperging at me" is all it takes for her to "not be a decent person", then you're way too addicted to this site and have completely forgotten how normal people operate.

People are telling her that the video contains inaccurate info on other people and is heavily biased, and the people demanding she watch it are trying to guilt trip her into doing so, so she's reacting negatively and doesn't want to bother.

If you want her to watch it then people need to be less abrasive and autistic about it, not more. Just get one of her friends/associates to talk to her about it off-stream and have the objective information on what happened reach her.
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Can of Bread said:
It also doesn't help that both her and other friends of her's have been attacked in similar ways and had heavily biased videos/articles released about them over literal nothingburgers. That kind of shit really skews people's viewpoints.
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gaysexenjoyer said:
I guarantee that if she just looks into it herself (maybe even checking in on the farms info directly) she'll have a reasonable take about it. Trying to brute force a stubborn woman into doing something does not work.
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Oh my god, STOP CODDLING YOUR OSHI YOU TIDE-POD EATING CUNTS!!!

She's an adult, not a teenager. The way she acted about the Nuxanor news is far from ideal. She could have just kept her mouth shut. She could have just said "I won't comment on the Nux situation until I've seen the video." But no, your oshi had to be an attention whore and mock Nikandros and the people trying to get her to understand that Nux is getting flak for a damn good reason.

Don't enable her idiocy, call her out so that she mentally improves. I know it may be asking a bit much for a retarded woman to act logical, but don't enable the dumb woman's retardation by encouraging it.

Even if Leaflit were to condemn Nux later on, I bet it would be because she would try to save a public face. As a reminder, we have an X screen-shot showing Leaflit likes loli even if she restricts it in her discord rules, so I don't trust the fat bitch here.

Just because Leaflit's been mocked and ridiculed before doesn't mean she gets a free pass to act like an obnoxious retard, especially when Nikandros put in damn fine work with his Nuxanor video. Retardation isn't politically-exclusive; both left-leaning and right-leaning people are capable of being retards, folks.
 
As long as you don't push her to watch it, she'll watch it on her own and make up her own mind.

You shouldn't force people that are friendly or on good terms with Nux to do something, now Now NOW! because all that does is make them obstinate and think that it's just basically another hyperbolic cancelling that each and everyone of them has faced in the last half decade.
 
breadandcircuses said:
As long as you don't push her to watch it, she'll watch it on her own and make up her own mind.

You shouldn't force people that are friendly or on good terms with Nux to do something, now Now NOW! because all that does is make them obstinate and think that it's just basically another hyperbolic cancelling that each and everyone of them has faced in the last half decade.
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Dude, she acted like a prick when it came to Nikandros and spreading the awareness of the Nuxanor controversy. It would be one thing if we called a Leaflit a bitch for not responding to the Nux controversy right away. But that's not what happened.

People made it aware to her that Nux is in deep crap, they brought up evidentiary materials like Nikandros' video covering the topic, and she chose to act indignant and essentially tell Nik and other folks highlighting awareness of Nux's careless actions to fuck off. Again, she could have just said nothing. But instead, she chose to behave like a petulant brat.

If she really wanted to own the haters, she could have just said "Alright, I'll watch the video, but I'll do it at MY own pace. And if the video turns out to be wrong, I'll call it out as such." Instead, her attitude makes it clear she's pre-emptively dismissing the material being covered.

If Leaflit is really true to her word and she'll disavow Nux based on the material that's been posted recently, then she needs to be direct. "I haven't watched the video and I don't know if it's true, so I won't judge Nux yet."

But the way she went about this, it makes her look less like a neutral party for the time being and more like a simp for Nux and his ilk. Again, don't coddle your oshi if she's acting a fool.
 
Light blue notebook said:
Yeah, this just screams that she doesn't care about grooming in the slightest, makes you wonder about her own community.
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Fun fact....

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Agent N is going in on insufferable Nux sweeper Leaflit, and it's a total fucking assassination: Leaflit also has minors engaging with NSFW content on their server! :stress:

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I know some people who browse this thread are fans of Leaflit. I'm curious to know an answer and context for this, especially for anybody who is Christian. Why does exactly Leaflit, a self-described Christian, allow NSFW porn by having a channel that directly allows that sort of content? A Discord server having a Bible study channel as well as an NSFW porn channel seems like a very odd thing. In a Christian context, having a porn channel for your Discord channel seems quite the sinful thing to do.
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This is a genuine question I'm asking, directed to fans of Leaflit. I'm actually curious to know the reasoning and context for this decision. Why would Leaflit allow this?
 
In light of this information, here is a question: Do we now support discord requiring id? If the answer is still no, how do you square that with your positions on this vtuber taking responsibility for a minor being present in discord?

I am not a fan, just interested in drama. But it seems like @Gibs post and @BinaricHate posts argue against one another despite nominally being anti-leaflit. In the former there seems to be an implication that the server is generally not age restricted but the specific NSFW server IS age restricted. But the latter seems to imply that is is wrong for a minor to be in general chat. If NSFW content is generally not allowed in that general chat, and there is an entirely separate channel for NSFW, it would seem to me that the individual's presence is largely overblown. "That's how they act on there" is not enough for me to take a moral stance on whether or not it was ok for the minor to be present in the general chat.

If you have a problem with the minor being in the server and potentially accessing the NSFW channel, then you must also have a problem with minors being allowed to access the internet at all, given they merely have to check the 18+ box to access adult content on the general web, You must be consistent here. And unless you advocate for digital id being required for access this is difficult to actually stand for in practice.

As for the Christian thing, I don't know the specifics of her faith or whether or not is a grift, but just because you *are* a Christian and sometimes do Christian activates does not mean everything in their lives is explicitly Christian in nature. For example, brothels were very common in medieval, Catholic dominated Europe. People are just going to 'sin', like it or not. As far as I am aware Leaflit is not a 'Christian Vtuber' but a vtuber who happens to be Christian. She has secular fans, I imagine, who don't have a problem with NSFW content. The server, and I am willing to be proven wrong on this, is not explicitly Christian from what I have seen. So it makes sense to me that, despite her own belief, they would have a containment zone for 'sinful' content. In other words she is not enforcing her beliefs onto her community. Now, as a Christian you could say this is improper, but I would not necessarily call it hypocritical or grifty on its face.
 
Tennessee Trash said:
In light of this information, here is a question: Do we now support discord requiring id? If the answer is still no, how do you square that with your positions on this vtuber taking responsibility for a minor being present in discord?
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Irrelevant. This person said theyre a Minor and they still had them in the server. The mods knew of the minor and still held some stupid poll as if its a controversial thing to remove the minor.

It also doesnt answer the fact that faggots were talking about Blue Archive, a game involving little girls whilst you, the adult can romance them or put them into skimpy outfits, in a sexual manner.

Tennessee Trash said:
If you have a problem with the minor being in the server and potentially accessing the NSFW channel, then you must also have a problem with minors being allowed to access the internet at all, given they merely have to check the 18+ box to access adult content on the general web, You must be consistent here. And unless you advocate for digital id being required for access this is difficult to actually stand for in practice.
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Nobody has made the argument that Minors having access to the internet is inherently a bad thing. This is a fallacious argument which requires us to look beyond the scope of an individual who absolutely can be responsible about who is in their server and who isnt. Especially when NSFW material is present & said minor absolutely could have had access to said content and DID have access to it.
 
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