VTuber Leaflit & Asari - (conservative mom and daughter VTuber duo who mostly do political commentary)

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Do we now support discord requiring id? If the answer is still no, how do you square that with your positions on this vtuber taking responsibility for a minor being present in discord?
Exposing minors to loli porn is bad????? What Vaushian debatebro lolbert bullshit are you trying to even pull right now?
I am not a fan, just interested in drama. But it seems like @Gibs post and @BinaricHate posts argue against one another despite nominally being anti-leaflit.
How? I simply just copied some screenshots from the original post.
In the former there seems to be an implication that the server is generally not age restricted but the specific NSFW server IS age restricted. But the latter seems to imply that is is wrong for a minor to be in general chat. If NSFW content is generally not allowed in that general chat, and there is an entirely separate channel for NSFW, it would seem to me that the individual's presence is largely overblown. "That's how they act on there" is not enough for me to take a moral stance.
>server is filled with porn and adults
>children obviously shouldn't be present in such spaces
>server is NOT 18+ (as is standard) and instead allows minors into a dangerous environment
>children find their way into the server because the rules don't prohibit it
>blame falls on fat vtuber woman and her jannies for running such a server
>fat vtumor woman also guntguarded nux, who much like her had a trooncord server filled with porn and minors.

Hope that cleared some stuff up for you :)
If you have a problem with the minor being in the server and potentially accessing the NSFW channel, then you must also have a problem with minors being allowed to access the internet at all, given they merely have to check the 18+ box to access adult content on the general web, You must be consistent here.
>so whaatt if my e-idol is exposing minors to furry loli guro beastiality porn??? those minors are gonna get exposed to weird porn either way!! who cares lol nothingburger lool
This is the 5th time today I've seen this exact argument be made. Is there like some discord server where you people coordinate and get these talking points from?
The fact that her jannies acknowledge that the guy is underage and do nothing about it. Up until they have a community poll if to ban him should be setting off alarm bells in your head. Why you're making this argument right now is beyond me.
 
This is a fallacious argument which requires us to look beyond the scope of an individual who absolutely can be responsible about who is in their server and who isnt
This is not fallacious. You absolutely can hold individual websites accountable for allowing minors to access their NSFW content. Governments are already doing this around the world by requiring ID to access websites like PH. It is larger in scope, but it is the exact same in principle. In the same way that one would say it is irresponsible for Leaflit allow minors free access to a discord with a segregated NSFW channel, it would also be irresponsible for PH to allow anyone, who might be a minor, to access their content. The only difference is the scale.
This person said theyre a Minor and they still had them in the server. The mods knew of the minor and still held some stupid poll as if its a controversial thing to remove the minor.
Actually this is relevant because posted screenshots imply there is an entire separate NSFW channel. If the minor was active in the NSFW channel then you would be 100% correct, but if minors are allowed in general by default and they haven't done anything other than exist as a minor, then it seems a bit overblown, although very irresponsible certainly. See above. But there is a difference between being irresponsible and grooming.

It also doesnt answer the fact that faggots were talking about Blue Archive, a game involving little girls whilst you, the adult can romance them or put them into skimpy outfits.
I agree with this point. You're 100% right that is very sus and they should not do that beyond discussing meta shit and they shouldn't be lusting over the characters. They shouldn't even be doing that in the NSFW channel. I am not in the server, but if they are in fact lusting after children then I will completely change my stance and agree with you.
 
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This is not fallacious. You absolutely can hold individual websites accountable for allowing minors to access their NSFW content. Governments are already doing this around the world by requiring ID to access websites like PH. It is larger in scope, but it is the exact same in principle. In the same way that one would say it is irresponsible for Leaflit allow minors free access to a discord with a segregated NSFW channel, it would also be irresponsible for PH to allow anyone, who might be a minor, to access their content. The only difference is the scale.

Sure and again, what matters here is scale. Leaflit is someone who has grifted about "pedophile murder rapists." And yet she allows minors in NSFW chats ontop of people lusting for Blue Archive. She absolutely should be held responsible for that because she goes on about being anti-pedophilia (brave take!) Yet clearly lets this shit go.

I am not in the server, but if they are in fact lusting after children

Both individuals you pinged showed evidence of these minors in those NSFW chats and also lusting after underage children in anime games which coincidentally have romance mechanics for said children.
 
In the former there seems to be an implication that the server is generally not age restricted but the specific NSFW server IS age restricted.
You should have corrected your wording here. It's "NSFW channel" and not "NSFW server." The way it's worded made it sound like you were talking about two separate servers.

In Rule 6 of Leaflit's Discord server, it clearly implies that minors are allowed, and despite that, it's still treated as "an adult server."
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Now that is a bit strange. If the server should be treated like an adult server, then why are minors allowed entry in the first place?

Now, for the NSFW channel, there appears to be a form of gatekeeping. Users need to have the "Adults" role in order to access the porn channel. I am unsure what exact method and process the moderators use to confirm someone requesting the role is actually an adult or not.
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it would seem to me that the individual's presence is largely overblown. "That's how they act on there" is not enough for me to take a moral stance on whether or not it was ok for the minor to be present in the general chat.
Them being present in the general chat isn't an issue; instead, it's them being in the server in the first place. Especially when the rules clearly state the server is treated as an adult server. The people in the chats are talking about adult topics as well, even if they are not full posting images or videos of porn, the adult topics (like sexual stuff) being discussed is very inappropriate for minors to be engaging with. For example, a minor talking with adult strangers about femboys or porn is a major red flag.

This headache could all be avoided if they clearly stated minors aren't allowed in the server. Will this prevent every single potential minor from joining? No, of course not, but it will lessen the number of minors from joining. Since they would be banned if caught or leave of their own accord. And yes, of course minors can lie about their age, but in that context it can be argued the server isn't directly at fault for that deception. It's a hard issue to tackle, but it's better to attempt to tackle it instead of basically having a sign that says, "Minors are welcome here! But we talk about adult topics, including sexual stuff. What could go wrong?!"

Having an NSFW porn channel and allowing minors in the server at the same time is NEVER a good idea. Even if the NSFW channel requires some sort of verification, in this context it would be a role, which is indeed better than no role verification, but it's still a bad idea overall. Either ban minors and have an NSFW porn channel and allow the discussion of adult topics, or allow minors but don't have a porn channel and crack down on adult topics or segregate them.

Better yet, don't allow minors and don't have a porn channel at fucking all. It's that simple, Leaflit is the boss. If she says no NSFW channel, then there will be no NSFW channel. I don't see the point of such a channel. Shouldn't a Discord server for a VTuber be a place to discuss them and not to goon like a porn addict? Particularly since Leaflit is pandering to a right-wing and religious audience. The presence of a porn channel is so baffling.
As for the Christian thing, I don't know the specifics of her faith or whether or not is a grift, but just because you *are* a Christian and sometimes do Christian activates does not mean everything in their lives is explicitly Christian in nature. For example, brothels were very common in medieval, Catholic dominated Europe. People are just going to 'sin', like it or not. As far as I am aware Leaflit is not a 'Christian Vtuber' but a vtuber who happens to be Christian. She has secular fans, I imagine, who don't have a problem with NSFW content. The server, and I am willing to be proven wrong on this, is not explicitly Christian from what I have seen. So it makes sense to me that, despite her own belief, they would have a containment zone for 'sinful' content. In other words she is not enforcing her beliefs onto her community. Now, as a Christian you could say this is improper, but I would not necessarily call it hypocritical or grifty on its face.
She is commonly referred to as a Christian VTuber by multiple people. She has a Bible study channel for her Discord server. Leaflit collaborates a lot with a lot of other self-proclaimed Christian VTubers. She has a nun VTuber model. She has done multiple videos reacting to videos about Christian topics by the Christian YouTuber known as Redeemed Zoomer. Additionally, she reacted to propaganda videos such as those done by PaxTube (a /pol/tuber).
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Even if she isn't officially considered a "Christian Vtuber," in a de facto case she definitely has the reputation of being one. She definitely panders to a right-wing conservative and religious audience. Due to this, she should also cater to Christian standards. Especially since Leaflit is an influencer, it's very important for her to respectfully show Christianity in a good light.

In the Christian context, Leaflit choosing to have a pornographic channel in her Discord server is an utter mockery of the standards of Christianity. This is extremely hypocritical and sinful for her to allow such a channel. As I said before, she is the boss of her server; it's her choice to allow a porn channel. She can easily remove it but doesn't. This is sinful, porn is sinful, and allowing porn to spread in your server is sinful.

If Leaflit is known as a Christian VTuber, her having a porn channel for her Discord server reeks of hypocritical and sinful behavior. If someone considers themselves to be Christian. They should take it seriously by following the rules and standards put forth by the religion. This is especially very important for Christian influencers. A Christian influencer being sinful or a hypocrite harms and disrespects the religion.
 
This is not fallacious. You absolutely can hold individual websites accountable for allowing minors to access their NSFW content. Governments are already doing this around the world by requiring ID to access websites like PH. It is larger in scope, but it is the exact same in principle. In the same way that one would say it is irresponsible for Leaflit allow minors free access to a discord with a segregated NSFW channel, it would also be irresponsible for PH to allow anyone, who might be a minor, to access their content. The only difference is the scale.
Dude, what matters is that the owner of the Discord server and/or their moderators fucked up in not restricting any and all minors out of that server ASAP. You can have your qualms about Discord overall as a platform, but the point here is that specific users on the Discord platform fucked up. We're focusing on the bad behaviors of various Discord users; save your soap-boxing for the larger Discord platform somewhere else because we have to focus on the exposed reckless people who don't treat running a Discord community carefully.

Actually this is relevant because posted screenshots imply there is an entire separate NSFW channel. If the minor was active in the NSFW channel then you would be 100% correct, but if minors are allowed in general by default and they haven't done anything other than exist as a minor, then it seems a bit overblown, although very irresponsible certainly. See above. But there is a difference between being irresponsible and grooming
It is still grooming in a sense that the minor can encouraged to live recklessly and perform actions that are detrimental to their life-style. Grooming doesn't always have to be strictly sexual, though that's definitely among the worst aspects of grooming. If I remember, the minor in Nux's Discord "Red" dropped out of school because of encouragement from people in a server he shouldn't have been in to begin with. It doesn't matter if the minor wasn't in the NSFW channel, he's still among a group of adults who aren't in a community that are purposefully careful around the underage considering THE UNDERAGE SHOULDN'T BE THERE TO BEGIN WITH.

I agree with this point. You're 100% right that is very sus and they should not do that beyond discussing meta shit and they shouldn't be lusting over the characters. They shouldn't even be doing that in the NSFW channel. I am not in the server, but if they are in fact lusting after children then I will completely change my stance and agree with you.
Be careful, lolishos will keep arguing about the fact that anime girl characters who may closely resemble underage/minors aren't real to begin with, so the fact that they're expressing sketchy interest in child-coded characters is already concerning enough in its own right.
 
I'm mobile fagging, so bear with me

Nikandros doesnt seem to be too dishonest with either Nux or Leaflit's discord niggery, but his last defence of NyaraVT just because Asmongold and Leaflit called him a groomer is retarded
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People don't call Nyara a groomer just because of his discord, and he didn't do as much research into Nyara's discord compared to Leaf or Nux, he took it at face value and went 'well this retard says they're all 18+ so it must be enforced well".
Note that I think both Leaf and Nux are hugely retarded and irresponsible at best and knowingly ignorant at worst. But him taking Nyara's side like he did is dishonest
 

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I'm mobile fagging, so bear with me

Nikandros doesnt seem to be too dishonest with either Nux or Leaflit's discord niggery, but his last defence of NyaraVT just because Asmongold and Leaflit called him a groomer is retarded
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People don't call Nyara a groomer just because of his discord, and he didn't do as much research into Nyara's discord compared to Leaf or Nux, he took it at face value and went 'well this retard says they're all 18+ so it must be enforced well".
Note that I think both Leaf and Nux are hugely retarded and irresponsible at best and knowingly ignorant at worst. But him taking Nyara's side like he did is dishonest
From this, it doesn't look to me like he's necessarily defending Nyara or really saying anything about him, he's just calling out Asmon and Leaflit's hypocrisy.
 
From this, it doesn't look to me like he's necessarily defending Nyara or really saying anything about him, he's just calling out Asmon and Leaflit's hypocrisy.
Maybe, but my tism about this is that he didn't bother to confirm if Nyara or his discord is strict with it either. Just showing that he has the rules and they didn't is a start, but who knows if its enforced
 
I'm mobile fagging, so bear with me

Nikandros doesnt seem to be too dishonest with either Nux or Leaflit's discord niggery, but his last defence of NyaraVT just because Asmongold and Leaflit called him a groomer is retarded
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People don't call Nyara a groomer just because of his discord, and he didn't do as much research into Nyara's discord compared to Leaf or Nux, he took it at face value and went 'well this retard says they're all 18+ so it must be enforced well".
Note that I think both Leaf and Nux are hugely retarded and irresponsible at best and knowingly ignorant at worst. But him taking Nyara's side like he did is dishonest
Nick is a known Hasan sweeper, the sweeping is out of pure politics
 
Ok niggas answer me honestly - how can you watch this bitch?
She cant fucking talk. It takes her like 7 tries to finish the sentence and i can't belive that you can sit through the entire video let along stream with s-s-someon-hold on... yeah - someone who talks like th-yeah... like this.
 
Nick is a known Hasan sweeper, the sweeping is out of pure politics
yeah bud? do tell how he is sweeping for Hasan. Because this is the bullshit Tectone & Nux are peddling.

Update: Is this really what we are calling "Hasan sweeping"?

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Wow. He tells Hasan "Just watch my video instead of just saying they're pedophiles and lolicons.


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I wonder. @Gibs @DefinitelyNotMe and @Sunflower Samurai

Is this sweeping to you guys? (not that i am saying you 3 are, i'm just asking for clarity's sake)
 
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Here is a quick example I found in 30 second.
Swept for the dog shocking too.
You are too mad to even see that I was replying to why he was sweeping for the pedo nyara, not even involving this situation.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/hasan-piker-hasanabi.95834/post-22709835
yeah bud? do tell how he is sweeping for Hasan. Because this is the bullshit Tectone & Nux are peddling.

Update: Is this really what we are calling "Hasan sweeping"?

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Wow. He tells Hasan "Just watch my video instead of just saying they're pedophiles and lolicons.


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I wonder. @Gibs @DefinitelyNotMe and @Sunflower Samurai

Is this sweeping to you guys? (not that i am saying you 3 are, i'm just asking for clarity's sake)
 
Swept for the dog shocking too.
This was early in the discourse as it were. It is a bit dishonest to say this suddenly makes his evidence against Nux Taku and Leaflit null and void. Because I am sorry but shocking a dog, while still fucked up isn't the same thing as enabling pedophilia on a discord server and lying about it. Just because Nikandros defended Hasan with the shock collar, it does not mean that suddenly Nux taku and Leaflit are absolved of their shit.

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Some moments of Nikandros being critical of hasan:

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This was early in the discourse as it were. It is a bit dishonest to say this suddenly makes his evidence against Nux Taku and Leaflit null and void. Because I am sorry but shocking a dog, while still fucked up isn't the same thing as enabling pedophilia on a discord server and lying about it. Just because Nikandros defended Hasan with the shock collar, it does not mean that suddenly Nux taku and Leaflit are absolved of their shit.

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View attachment 8606282Some moments of Nikandros being critical of hasan:

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Again, you are sperging.
You are inserting your own retarded narrative into it.
I never even commented on his video, lol.

I was replying to someone asking why he was sweeping for nyara, because they are both left leaning, so purely politics

Your last screenshot, if you look at the tweet thread, is actually criticizing WillyMac, and defending Hasan from his comments: https://x.com/realNikandros/status/2011120800192168053
So it actually hurts your point, lol. It would have been better to post one of his replies to that thread that is actually more critical and talks about Brotips

For you first post, asking him to change the way he is phrasing is probably just him protecting himself because Nux is a litigious jew.

For the actual situation, most people have known Nux is a piece of shit for years, only grifters and retards have stood by him. The new stuff just makes him even worse and will hopefully be the nail in his coffin.
 
For you first post, asking him to change the way he is phrasing is probably just him protecting himself because Nux is a litigious jew.

I suppose? It doesn't mean that because Hasan (the dumbest Champagne Socialist on the internet) said something, that it can be properly used against him by Nux. I mean, Nux already is trying to run the "He is a Hasan sweeper that Hasan sent to lie about me!"

I never even commented on his video, lol.

Again with being a bit dishonest. I never stated you commented on the video itself. My point is that bringing up Hasan is a common tactic the people presently defending Leaflit and Nux Taku use. As far as I am concerned, you were defending them. But given that isnt the case, that is my mistake. I am too used to people attempting the Hasan angle as if it absolves two Grifters of discord niggerdry.
 
Having an NSFW porn channel and allowing minors in the server at the same time is NEVER a good idea. Even if the NSFW channel requires some sort of verification, in this context it would be a role, which is indeed better than no role verification, but it's still a bad idea overall. Either ban minors and have an NSFW porn channel and allow the discussion of adult topics, or allow minors but don't have a porn channel and crack down on adult topics or segregate them.
This is a great post. You made great points in this reply, not just this highlight, and I appreciate it. I would like to revise my earlier hesitancy and agree with this sentiment entirely. All of this could have simply been avoided by banning any NSFW outright and also to avoid any potential issues. It would have been easy. It was quite irresponsible to even let it get to the point where any of this could even be a discussion
Even if she isn't officially considered a "Christian Vtuber," in a de facto case she definitely has the reputation of being one. She definitely panders to a right-wing conservative and religious audience. Due to this, she should also cater to Christian standards. Especially since Leaflit is an influencer, it's very important for her to respectfully show Christianity in a good light.
Also a good point; even if in her mind the justification is that she is 'living and let living' it is not a good look to actually have it in her own discord that she is the owner of. On that level she has that responsibility. You're correct.
 
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