Legend of Zelda thread - Lorefags GTFO!

[Friendly Primarina]

It's in Hyrule Historia, apparently.

Supposedly the Hero's Shade's footwork is similar to the Hero of Time's, but I don't see it myself.

 

[Never Scored]

The Hero of Time was from the Adult Link timeline, right? The timeline where he marries the princess was the one where they go back to the beginning of the story. In the Adult Link timeline maybe he did marry Zelda and had kids, but since the kingdom had fallen and she became a Shieka he gets forgotten

This split timeline shit to try and explain the inconsistencies between games is the gayest shit lol. Even Nintendo has abandoned it with newer entries.

Not saying you're gay, just the whole splitting the timeline in three to explain inconsistencies between games instead of saying "A Wizard did it." It's very Star Wars prequel-like, where they try to explain every little off hand comment in the OT and end up with a mess. Sometimes you just gotta ignore shit like on old TV shows and just accept that Hyrule is flooded now because they wanted to try a game where you're on a boat.

 

[Lone Star]

The timeline splitting because of Link being sent back in time makes sense, otherwise it'd mean that the Adult Link's Hyrule would be erased from existence because Link changing the future would replace it, which the dance party shows clearly didn't happen. Wind Waker makes it pretty clear this is the case, talking about Hero of Time Link vanishing and including the Sages from that game in stained glass windows. That aspect is very much deliberate and not an asspull.

What I don't like is the Fallen Timeline where it's just "Yeah, but what if Link died?" since that means every game can just have that happen. It really makes it seem very desperate. Only devil's advocate argument I can think of is Ocarina of Time has so much time travel bullshittery that the timelines are like, fragile or some shit. But that's being very generous.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

It's in Hyrule Historia, apparently.

Apparently?

 

[SamTheEagle]

Prior to Hyrule Historia, I remember fans pointing out that the Hero's Shade was also the only other left-hander in the game besides Link (or right-hander if you were playing on Wii). And for what it's worth, the TP manga also explicitly makes the Shade the Hero of Time. Side note, I love the moment where Ganondorf looks terrified when the Shade shows up and crosses blades with him.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Out of all the flaws with Tears of the sloppy seconds Kingdom, the biggest one (sans fur faggotry and lore decimation) is that they didn't do shit with Link and Zelda's relationship. BOTW ships them, so Tears should have expanded on that relationship and given you a reason to care about them, but it doesn't. You get a flash of it at the very start when they're exploring the caves, but then Zelda gets fucked off to the fanfiction past. And once again the story is given to you in a much less substantial way, memory drops, like the story is just another collectable to seek (Zelda is not Metroid Prime).

Zelda should have been THE companion of Tears, giving us someone to finally rival Midna as a character. Someone who fights by your side from the beginning of the game to the very end. They tried so damn hard in BOTW to bring the emotional moments - but they're all memories, long after the fact, and the player (like Link) doesn't have a real relationship to them as they've all happened in another time. I knew people in 2017 who complained that Link and Zelda should have had more presence together, but they completely wasted the opportunity to right those wrongs with the sequel. Are we really going to get another open world Zelda in this format, just with RED-colored shrines instead of blue or green ones? Getting the story, tangentially, through in-game collectables?

Supposedly the Hero's Shade's footwork is similar to the Hero of Time's, but I don't see it myself.

Prior to Hyrule Historia, I remember fans pointing out that the Hero's Shade was also the only other left-hander in the game besides Link (or right-hander if you were playing on Wii). And for what it's worth, the TP manga also explicitly makes the Shade the Hero of Time. Side note, I love the moment where Ganondorf looks terrified when the Shade shows up and crosses blades with him.

For an even more obscure hint, I believe the same VA for Adult Link in OOT who did all the grunts and "hyahs", was brought back to record the combat grunts of the Shade (like Midna's VA was brought back for Hyrule Warriors). Pretty neat imo. People don't give old school Nintendo enough credit for the little details and thought-provoking thematic arcs in their Zelda games.

 

[Richter Belmont]

Currently reading the Twilight Princess manga - 4 volumes in - and it's honestly an incredible adaptation so far! The additions it has to the story are really good and I like how tonally and visually it's a little more dark and violent than game TP. (Seriously, Link gets his arm cut off and forcibly drowned in a river by the monsters attacking Ordon village near the end of volume 1.)

Oh actually, I do really like how Link has a personality in this and he and Midna have a real dynamic rather than it being so one-sided in the game.

 

[McMitch]

What I don't like is the Fallen Timeline where it's just "Yeah, but what if Link died?" since that means every game can just have that happen.

The split timeline from OoT was a fan theory for years before Hyrule Historia. The problem was: if Nintendo wanted to use such an idea, using a two-timeline split would have opened them to litigation, so they went with the three-timeline split because no fan theories utilized it because it’s a frankly retarded idea.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

Currently reading the Twilight Princess manga - 4 volumes in - and it's honestly an incredible adaptation so far! The additions it has to the story are really good and I like how tonally and visually it's a little more dark and violent than game TP. (Seriously, Link gets his arm cut off and forcibly drowned in a river by the monsters attacking Ordon village near the end of volume 1.)

Oh actually, I do really like how Link has a personality in this and he and Midna have a real dynamic rather than it being so one-sided in the game.

So, I actually own all 10 manga books for TP. If you're enjoying it now, then... well, I think it's only going to get better from there. The manga really expands on the lore and development of TP's world, with a lot of events and scenes from the original game getting expanded on. Without spoiling, let's just say the finale is a good deal grander in scope.

Here's hoping you enjoy the rest!

 

[Flopper]

Pardon my tard brain, but what exactly happened to Ganondorf in the child timeline of OoT? Link goes back to the child timeline, leaves Hyrule to search for Navi (so MM can happen). But Ganondorf is not defeated?

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Pardon my tard brain, but what exactly happened to Ganondorf in the child timeline of OoT? Link goes back to the child timeline, leaves Hyrule to search for Navi (so MM can happen). But Ganondorf is not defeated?

He warns Zelda of what's going to happen, so Ganondorf is arrested and Twilight Princess happens.

 

[Flopper]

He warns Zelda of what's going to happen, so Ganondorf is arrested and Twilight Princess happens.

I thought by that point, Zelda and Impa had already fled the castle with Ganondorf in pursuit. Link is able to travel back in time further before that?

 

[Friendly Primarina]

I thought by that point, Zelda and Impa had already fled the castle with Ganondorf in pursuit. Link is able to travel back in time further before that?

Yeah, Zelda presumably does something magic with the Ocarina to put him further back, and you see him approach (young) Zelda in her garden at the very end of the credits.

 

[Flopper]

Yeah, Zelda presumably does something magic with the Ocarina to put him further back, and you see him approach (young) Zelda in her garden at the very end of the credits.

So, Zelda already had suspicions on Ganondorf already and all that was needed was for Link to go back and tell her, "Yeah, you're right." I thought Ganondorf was supposed to be a powerful Gerudo warrior with dark magic, how did the king and guards even manage to get the drop on, and overpower him?
Why was defeating Ganondorf as an adult even necessary (besides the gameplay reason of there not being a game otherwise) if Link could just talk to young Zelda?

 

[Lone Star]

So, Zelda already had suspicions on Ganondorf already and all that was needed was for Link to go back and tell her, "Yeah, you're right." I thought Ganondorf was supposed to be a powerful Gerudo warrior with dark magic, how did the king and guards even manage to get the drop on, and overpower him?
Why was defeating Ganondorf as an adult even necessary (besides the gameplay reason of there not being a game otherwise) if Link could just talk to young Zelda?

In fairness, the only purely offensive bit of magic we ever see Pre-Triforce Ganondorf use is a ball of light that is strong enough to push a child over. He does utilize curses, and even moved a boulder off-screen, but no telling how easy or hard it was for him to do these things or if they required him to stay in one place and slowly utilize his magic to make it work. He was meant to get a huge boost in power after getting his piece of the Triforce. Twilight Princess seems to show that his piece of the Triforce only reawakened in the past as he was about to get executed. And I think with Link talking to Zelda, the idea is the second time around, he tells her that her initial plan just didn't work, so they had to come up with something else, somehow making it more clear to the king that Ganondorf wasn't to be trusted.

 

[Richter Belmont]

Just finished the Twilight Princess manga, and that was just absolutely phenomenal!

I know I already made a post talking about it but it just got *better* as it went on! The art is so so good and I really liked how the artstyle developed as it went on (it kinda started out kinda generic but then really kicked into it’s stride from V4 onwards) but I loved how gritty yet elegant it became later!

The additions to the story were also really well done, the new characters were actually meaning full and the manga actually made me care about the Ordon Village and Hyrule Castle Town ones waaaaaay more than game TP.

Midna was really expanded on and her relationship with Link ended up being a real highlight especially when he gets put out of action for a little while. And I loved the scene where he’d be willing to turn on the hylians if they were to try and kill her.

Oh yeah, I never woulda thought that my favourite interation of Link would end up being the one that talks but I ain’t complaining as much as I thought I’d be lol.

I really liked the characterisation of Ganondorf, and his final battle with Link was fittingly brutal and exciting!

Overall - I think this might be my prefered way to experience Twilight Princess going forward? (Hell, if the game ever gets a reimagining I’d be totally down if they included more scenes and action from this - it would also have to include the original game unchanged too of course! )

I loved this manga if ya couldn’t tell.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Just finished the Twilight Princess manga, and that was just absolutely phenomenal!

I know I already made a post talking about it but it just got *better* as it went on! The art is so so good and I really liked how the artstyle developed as it went on (it kinda started out kinda generic but then really kicked into it’s stride from V4 onwards) but I loved how gritty yet elegant it became later!

The additions to the story were also really well done, the new characters were actually meaning full and the manga actually made me care about the Ordon Village and Hyrule Castle Town ones waaaaaay more than game TP.

Midna was really expanded on and her relationship with Link ended up being a real highlight especially when he gets put out of action for a little while. And I loved the scene where he’d be willing to turn on the hylians if they were to try and kill her.

Oh yeah, I never woulda thought that my favourite interation of Link would end up being the one that talks but I ain’t complaining as much as I thought I’d be lol.

I really liked the characterisation of Ganondorf, and his final battle with Link was fittingly brutal and exciting!

Overall - I think this might be my prefered way to experience Twilight Princess going forward? (Hell, if the game ever gets a reimagining I’d be totally down if they included more scenes and action from this - it would also have to include the original game unchanged too of course! )

I loved this manga if ya couldn’t tell.

You're really selling me on this manga. Nintendo mangas are usually pretty damn good in my limited experience.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

So, Zelda already had suspicions on Ganondorf already and all that was needed was for Link to go back and tell her, "Yeah, you're right." I thought Ganondorf was supposed to be a powerful Gerudo warrior with dark magic, how did the king and guards even manage to get the drop on, and overpower him?
Why was defeating Ganondorf as an adult even necessary (besides the gameplay reason of there not being a game otherwise) if Link could just talk to young Zelda?

Presumably it’s just at a time when the king would listen. The king doesn’t believe Zelda and after the hurdle civil war it seems like they are focused on making peace with the gerudo and don’t want another war by capturing their king. Most of that is speculation because they don’t give details other than Zelda saying her dad doesn’t believe her. Also originally you just solve all the other races problems instead of telling the Gorons and Zora to go rat on ganondorf

 

[Zorgulon]

I wish I could be a kid again and play Wind Waker for the first time.

 

[Weltraumfürst]

Well, I picked TotK back up after a few months and my verdict is that it's not only the worst 3D Zelda, it's also the first one that I don’t like.