Lolcow Leonard F. Shaner Jr. - Autistic Pedophile / Foamer / Shitlord

Do you prefer Shaner to get permabanned?

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I wonder if Hy is the one with the take downs pages?
Nah, that seems kind of juvenile, even for him. Given his antics in court & his unwarranted self-importance (implying the judge couldn't do his job, his whole "I'M A BIG SHOT LAWYER & YOU'RE IN TROUBLE NOW" thing, his wannabe Perry Mason theatrics) he'd probably use his name.
 
So is Hy an official lolcow now?

With the proviso that I was not there (but I have the same source as Kirby and find him to be entirely believable), the events described would suggest yes.

This sort of behavior is absolutely beyond the pale. I have never witnessed (or even heard about) a member of the bar doing something even qualitatively similar. Only the most "memorable" pro se litigants ever approach this sort of crazy.

I remember now (in hindsight) that the younger Mayerson was careful to clarify that Hy was no longer with the firm.

In addition to the hilarious aspect, this has also become somewhat depressing for a lawyer approaching middle age.
 
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Hello Kiwi's. Nice to meet you all.

I've been lurking in the Shaner thread since it began, and I've lurked on the Kiwi Farms in general for much longer. With the shit hitting the fan with Lenny's hearing today, I figured it was time to finally make an account and weigh in.

First thing's first, I owe you guys a full disclosure: I'm the w-een who's been in contact with Shaner for the last few weeks. I'm not an Entersperg, and I don't have a hard on for Null (that, and the whole "Clara" thing was basically the result of some other Cool Guy pointing Len to Null's ED article and Len deciding to make it part of his "war on the Kiwi"). At first I decided to contact Len purely as a laugh with a fake FB account I've been using since 2010 to spy on some personal lolcows. I didn't expect to actually become his close confidant, but, much like @Kirby can probably attest to, Len apparently doesn't ever learn and so I imagine my surprise when he opened up to me anyway.

I have a whole bunch of stuff I'd like to show you guys, but it's going to take a while to compile it into a state organised enough to release here. That said, I do have some basic details that I feel are worth sharing at the moment.

1. The Internet Bullies page is Len's, the Taking Down Kiwis one is mine. Basically, Len got banned from posting on FB in late July for 30 days, and he thought making a new page would circumvent that, so I made the Taking Down Kiwis page for him and handed it over to him. Most of the posts on both of these pages are either made by James Kaufmann Jr or John W Simon (who are both admins) or were given to me by Lenny himself to paste verbatim. I did make some posts myself, notably the "share a Coke with Bob" one, which was an attempt to see how obviously w-eenish I could be before Lenny noticed I was taking him for a ride, but he's so dense that even these posts failed to ring any alarm bells for him.

2. The Webs page is, as far as I know, Lenny's. I have a bunch of messages from him where he mentions that he and a friend were working on a website that would "bring the Kiwi down once and for all". My personal theory is that either Kaufmann or another Cool Guy were helping him make it, because based on my conversations with Lenny, I can't see him knowing how to use Webs at all.

3. Apparently a whole network of w-eens are in contact with Lenny, and this is the source of much of the doxxing of RR people and their relatives. Over the last few weeks, Len mentioned many such informants and showed me all of the evidence they were feeding him, mainly consisting of shopped FB conversations between Zim and @Pocket_Sand! or obviously fake legal documents. Occasionally Lenny would ask me to help him verify the truth of some of this evidence (usually just by asking me if I'd ever heard of "such and such on the Kiwi") and he claimed that he was doing some degree of research before doxxing people, but 99% of the time he would end up accepting this stuff as true anyway. Basically, all it takes to get him to believe you is to confirm the suspicions he already has; anything that valudates what he's already thinking will usually be accepted as accurate.

4. He's become obsessed with the Kiwi Farms to the point where he legitimately believes he's at "war" with them and that there's a whole network of RR people and others from his life who've set up the Kiwi Farms just to play with him. He kept saying to me how he "just wanted his life back" and constantly claimed that he was innocent of the charges he's been dragged to court over. He seemed to me to be either a sociopath who doesn't mind lying through his teeth or else he's delusional and genuinely believes there's a conspiracy out to ruin his good name. This probably ties in to how he submitted Kiwi Farms screencaps at his hearing - Len believes if he can just prove that there's a conspiracy working against them then he'll be acquitted of all his charges. Also, I live in Australia and I'd constantly receive messages from Lenny in the mid afternoon, so I can confirm that he does seem to stay up until the small hours of the morning fuming about "the Kiwi" and trying to find ways to bring the site down.

5. Len is extremely fucking creepy and has no concept of women as anything other than sex objects. The only times he wasn't talking about Kiwi Farms was when he tried to hit on my fake FB account, ask her what she liked to wear to bed, ask for her bust measurements or beg for pictures of her boobs or whatever. At one point, he asked for an email address so we could "talk in privet" (he believes that a member of Kiwi Farms is a "FB district manager" who can monitor our conversations) and when I gave him a fake email he took two initials from it, ran them through some kind of search engine and then became convinced that I was this random girl from Arizona who I've never heard of before. It was when he began to talk about meeting up in person or how he couldn't wait to introduce me to his mother that I decided it was time to pull out, because it was only a matter of time before he contacted said girl and started creeping on her.

6. From what I can tell, Hy Mayerson seems just as gullible as Len when it comes to making conspiracies out of nothing. Over the entire course of my correspondence with Len, he told me that Hy wished to speak to me to verify information exactly twice. At which point I'd tell him that I'd work it out later and then he'd forget and submit said evidence to Hy anyway which, based on @Kirby's fine account of the hearing, seems to have been accepted without any real attempt to verify its accuracy.

And that's all for now.

It's nice to meet you all. Have a picture of Len dressed in his best for his hearing yesterday.
He kind of looks like an autistic version of Gman in that photo.
 
Also, I was just going through my messages from Lenny to try and organise them, and I just noticed that he's gone to war with Kengle.
 

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I just thought of something. Even though he got Hy on retainer, he still may be found guilty. think about it, Lenny built Hy Mayerson up as this Phoenix Wright type lawyer. But now that the truth has come out, it could actually go either way. we are forced to eat crow because he actually did get Mayerson to represent him in court. But if he ends up being found guilty, all of his boasting about Hy being this high class lawyer who will get him a not guilty verdict will be nothing but empty threats.

Oh, of course Len will be found guilty. Even the best lawyer can only hope to do much, and most of what this case is about is rather clear cut. Was Lenny trespassing on railroad property, in addition to the endangerment charges which we're still all unsure as to how he obtained them. Besides the highly unprofessional and foolish behavior Hy has expressed today and in the past, I'd like to remind all that Hy is a personal injury attorney, and not a criminal defense attorney. This sort of case isn't something Hy has experience handling, as others noted with the way he handled the character attacks in court. Hy is entirely out of his league, a public defender would be a better option for Lenny than this.
 
Hello Kiwi's. Nice to meet you all.

I've been lurking in the Shaner thread since it began, and I've lurked on the Kiwi Farms in general for much longer. With the shit hitting the fan with Lenny's hearing today, I figured it was time to finally make an account and weigh in.

First thing's first, I owe you guys a full disclosure: I'm the w-een who's been in contact with Shaner for the last few weeks. I'm not an Entersperg, and I don't have a hard on for Null (that, and the whole "Clara" thing was basically the result of some other Cool Guy pointing Len to Null's ED article and Len deciding to make it part of his "war on the Kiwi"). At first I decided to contact Len purely as a laugh with a fake FB account I've been using since 2010 to spy on some personal lolcows. I didn't expect to actually become his close confidant, but, much like @Kirby can probably attest to, Len apparently doesn't ever learn and so I imagine my surprise when he opened up to me anyway.

I have a whole bunch of stuff I'd like to show you guys, but it's going to take a while to compile it into a state organised enough to release here. That said, I do have some basic details that I feel are worth sharing at the moment.

1. The Internet Bullies page is Len's, the Taking Down Kiwis one is mine. Basically, Len got banned from posting on FB in late July for 30 days, and he thought making a new page would circumvent that, so I made the Taking Down Kiwis page for him and handed it over to him. Most of the posts on both of these pages are either made by James Kaufmann Jr or John W Simon (who are both admins) or were given to me by Lenny himself to paste verbatim. I did make some posts myself, notably the "share a Coke with Bob" one, which was an attempt to see how obviously w-eenish I could be before Lenny noticed I was taking him for a ride, but he's so dense that even these posts failed to ring any alarm bells for him.

2. The Webs page is, as far as I know, Lenny's. I have a bunch of messages from him where he mentions that he and a friend were working on a website that would "bring the Kiwi down once and for all". My personal theory is that either Kaufmann or another Cool Guy were helping him make it, because based on my conversations with Lenny, I can't see him knowing how to use Webs at all.

3. Apparently a whole network of w-eens are in contact with Lenny, and this is the source of much of the doxxing of RR people and their relatives. Over the last few weeks, Len mentioned many such informants and showed me all of the evidence they were feeding him, mainly consisting of shopped FB conversations between Zim and @Pocket_Sand! or obviously fake legal documents. Occasionally Lenny would ask me to help him verify the truth of some of this evidence (usually just by asking me if I'd ever heard of "such and such on the Kiwi") and he claimed that he was doing some degree of research before doxxing people, but 99% of the time he would end up accepting this stuff as true anyway. Basically, all it takes to get him to believe you is to confirm the suspicions he already has; anything that valudates what he's already thinking will usually be accepted as accurate.

4. He's become obsessed with the Kiwi Farms to the point where he legitimately believes he's at "war" with them and that there's a whole network of RR people and others from his life who've set up the Kiwi Farms just to play with him. He kept saying to me how he "just wanted his life back" and constantly claimed that he was innocent of the charges he's been dragged to court over. He seemed to me to be either a sociopath who doesn't mind lying through his teeth or else he's delusional and genuinely believes there's a conspiracy out to ruin his good name. This probably ties in to how he submitted Kiwi Farms screencaps at his hearing - Len believes if he can just prove that there's a conspiracy working against them then he'll be acquitted of all his charges. Also, I live in Australia and I'd constantly receive messages from Lenny in the mid afternoon, so I can confirm that he does seem to stay up until the small hours of the morning fuming about "the Kiwi" and trying to find ways to bring the site down.

5. Len is extremely fucking creepy and has no concept of women as anything other than sex objects. The only times he wasn't talking about Kiwi Farms was when he tried to hit on my fake FB account, ask her what she liked to wear to bed, ask for her bust measurements or beg for pictures of her boobs or whatever. At one point, he asked for an email address so we could "talk in privet" (he believes that a member of Kiwi Farms is a "FB district manager" who can monitor our conversations) and when I gave him a fake email he took two initials from it, ran them through some kind of search engine and then became convinced that I was this random girl from Arizona who I've never heard of before. It was when he began to talk about meeting up in person or how he couldn't wait to introduce me to his mother that I decided it was time to pull out, because it was only a matter of time before he contacted said girl and started creeping on her.

6. From what I can tell, Hy Mayerson seems just as gullible as Len when it comes to making conspiracies out of nothing. Over the entire course of my correspondence with Len, he told me that Hy wished to speak to me to verify information exactly twice. At which point I'd tell him that I'd work it out later and then he'd forget and submit said evidence to Hy anyway which, based on @Kirby's fine account of the hearing, seems to have been accepted without any real attempt to verify its accuracy.

And that's all for now.

It's nice to meet you all. Have a picture of Len dressed in his best for his hearing yesterday.

There's something about this picture that creeps me the fuck out. It looks like something Stephen King would describe. Or at least be the movie poster for a horror film. (Insert Don LaFontaine here, RIP) "Len Shaner would like this opportunity to talk to you about trains. This will only take a moment..."
 
Finally, some random screens of Lenny trying to win "Sara" over.

EDIT: I should also point out, as evidenced in one of these shots, that talking about trains made Lenny start talking about getting kinky.
 

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I could say something about my shock and awe and amusement about how the hearing went down, but honestly I'm stuck on being horrified by his suit.

I don't know what mesmerizes me in horror the most about it, the three vastly different shades of blue going on, or the fact that the color combo overall makes me think of Thomas the goddamn Tank Engine.
 
I just thought of something. Even though he got Hy on retainer, he still may be found guilty. think about it, Lenny built Hy Mayerson up as this Phoenix Wright type lawyer. But now that the truth has come out, it could actually go either way. we are forced to eat crow because he actually did get Mayerson to represent him in court. But if he ends up being found guilty, all of his boasting about Hy being this high class lawyer who will get him a not guilty verdict will be nothing but empty threats.
Presumably he is reasonably successful as a personal injuries lawyer but his performance today suggest he is far from competent at criminal defence.

If it was anyone but shaner at this point i'd almost consider advising that he represent himself and try the shaggy 'it wasn't me defence' and just deny he was where the rr says he's banned from and despute any evidence to the contrary- which is what a competent defence lawyer woukd be trying to do anyway not some bizzare proof by kiwi conspiracy. Shaner of course would balls it up even more vut even still the mind boggles.

The standard of proof for a criminal conviction is actually quite high and before today i thought it might be possible for a canny lawyer to get him off due to lack of proof.

Now there's no chance of them winning unless hy majorly gets his act together- its a plea bargain or guilty for len.

Today was a win for the farms because len did have Mayerson- the kind of fail only ' the world's most famous railfan' is capable of.

Edit: sorry for essentially posting the same thing three times over its just so bizzarre i dont know quite what to make if it. I will definitely be passing the story round the firm tomorrow!
 
Anyone saying that "it's just because Hy's a personal injury lawyer" or "He's just out of his element" is guilty of wishful thinking. A case like Lyn's is so easy that any attorney could handle it. Almost all attorneys do things outside their normal practice area from time to time for friends/family members/ continuing clients and these charges are pretty minor as far as criminal charges go. Hy is just 100% off the reservation here and it has little to nothing to do with him being outside his normal practice area.
 
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