Lesser Evil vs Accelerationist Voting Strategy? - vote for a crummy candidate on your side or a batshit insane one on the other?

[grump]

Everytime a major election rolls around, in 'hardline' conservative groups mostly ( Dems for some reason don't seem to have this problem as much except back with Bernie Sanders) a debate springs up between two camps.

One side which I call the Lesser Evil camp usually concedes the candidate kind of sucks but that we should stick with them because the other guy is much worse.

While the other side, the Accelerationists says we should just let the other guy win because while they agree that they're horrible. They're going to be so horrible its going to wreck everything so badly people will be forced to snap into their senses and finally vote for an actual good candidate the next time around.

So which side if any do you think is right? On the one hand the Lesser Evil camp has given us duds like the Bushs, Romney, and McCain. But on the other hand I'm struggling to think of anything positive the Accelerationists have accomplished either. Accelerationist thinking led to Obama which I'm sure most conservatives would agree was a disaster and I'm not sure there was enough of a 'snapback' to really make up for it like they promised.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

I'm a decelerationist. I vote for whichever candidate will keep this bloated dystopia alive the longest. I want as many people to suffer as possible before the genie is let out of the lamp.

 

[Joe Swanson]

For anyone voting accelerationism, at what point are you ready to abandon your comfy life to go sit in a trench waiting to die.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I kinda get where the accelerationist shit comes from, but it's too early to even consider that. If Trump can get elected then there's still a slim chance things turn around.

 

[AidsNiggerSupreme]

You're really asking the right question here. What should the strategy of voting actually be besides just voting for the best guy. If you are not willing to walk away from the voting booth your party will always feed you shit candidates and not perceive any need to give you any concessions. They will guilt you into voting against the other guy while doing nothing for you.

This is an important part of how our system works because it allows both parties to do nothing for their constituents but still gain perceived support. A (((bank))) funded and AIPAC controlled candidate that no one likes will still receive votes and it creates the impression there is real democracy at work. Voters vote against the other party and they forget their own party is completely controlled. Imagine if people only voted for candidates they actually liked regardless of partisanship or horse race mentality. Several terms of officials with tiny amounts of votes would expose our system for what it is, a system where (((banks))) control all of our politicians, and no one else supports them.

Beyond that I am an accelerationst because atleast in the US the budget problem is unsolvable and there will be some kind of financial crisis that will destabilize the government anyways. Our democracy doesn't function and a collapse of the currency and major financial institutions would do more to fix it then voting ever will, I hope its more Soviet style where there arent any major wars, but preserving the government and fed and banks in their current state hurts everyone. Also elections are probably fake...

 

[Ultrapenguin]

That's dumb, because for every person who "snaps to their senses" you've got another who's going to decide it's so bad there's no point in even trying anymore and give up.

That's also dumb because no, it isn't going to wreck things so badly nobody can ignore it. It'll simply be a process where everything gets more unpleasant as power shifts more and more away from people. Any "collapse" is going to be decades off, decades of miserable depressing stagnation.

And as that transpires it will be spun in such a way that it's made out to the true believers to be someone else's fault (specifically the fault of wrongthinkers). Nobody's ever going to realize shit so long as the establishment has a hold on mass communication and culture.

It's all probably irrelevant though because accelerationists have exactly as little power to shift course as anyone else.
The whole thing remains a very homosexual ideology to subscribe to however.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Nobody's ever going to realize shit so long as the establishment has a hold on mass communication and culture.

That's the damn truth...

Plus the old bread and circus adage is true. So long as people can afford food that tastes good (even if it's actually unhealthy slop) and have a phone in their face, it's never going to seem bad enough to actually care due to complacency.

 

[potato in mah painus]

For anyone voting accelerationism, at what point are you ready to abandon your comfy life to go sit in a trench waiting to die.

When demands of servitude are made against family, friends, and fellow countrymen.
You know, the only things worth wagering your life over.

 

[Kalamazoo 2 Timbuktu]

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Does anyone have that Stonetoss comic where that guy and an accelerationist were held at gunpoint and the accelerationist says something like "were almost to collapse"?

 

[Local Fed]

I kind of view the question of embracing accelerationism as admitting defeat without outright saying the words. With that in mind I do somewhat empathize who are accelerationists since I believe defeat has already been achieved and is just unfolding at its own pace, but ultimately I think their idea that they'll come out on top in the end is incorrect.

Ultimately I see the accelerationist's point of view to be like that of a football team throwing up a Hail Mary pass at the end of the game: realistically you're only even resorting to this extreme move because you're losing and you're desperate and you're just hoping for a miracle. In all likelihood one of two things are going to happen: the other team catches the ball which is obviously not what you want, or no one catches the ball which still results with you losing but at least you can say that you tried one last big gamble.

 

[OrionBalls]

Vote for the person you think would do the best job, even if that means writing in a name. You won't lose any sleep at night for it, I promise.

 

[Screamer_2]

Governments and politicians need to be able to be kicked out of office for things you disagree with and for doing a bad job. It doesn't matter if the next guys will be the same, bad or worse. There's no incentive for politicians and political parties to change policies you disagree with if you'll vote for them regardless.

The lesser of two evils is a ploy for them to not change their mind on policies you disagree with. I think one of the reasons arguments have moved to, "if you don't reelect us, the otherside will end the world" is because they are desperately clawing onto the fact they know they are unpopular and they have to ramp up the rhetoric to cling to power.

In my shithole country, I prefer the party in power to the opposition party but they have crossed lines where I can't in a good conscious vote for them. If they can't lose my vote for what they have done, then I don't live in a democracy. I'm a sheep. I'm a fool. I'm a sucker. I'm a loser. I have lived enough to know that when the other party is in, they aren't going to destroy the country and I can just vote them out next election.

The losing your vote is often more important and shifting those in power than voting them in with the way most Western duel party monopoly lead countries work.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Other: Vote for the funniest third party

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

"Surely MY ideology will rise triumphant from the ashes!"

 

[The Connected Nose]

"Lesser Evil" voters are retards who think they have to choose from two shit options given to them by the establishment. They're playing the establishment game and are why we always have shit options.

Accelerationists are retards who think they'll magically be the ones standing atop the ash pile when it's all said and done, not realizing that they'll be just as poor/enslaved/dead as everyone else. They love to kick hornet nests for a thrill, then cry when the hornets they think they're superior to sting them all over.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

"Surely MY ideology will rise triumphant from the ashes!"

That is the problem, if you want some sort of neo-Hitler to rise up and throw out the Jews once and for all there's going to be an equally likely chance that some neo-Stalin will do the same thing.

The other problem with accelerationism is that it will take a long time to do anything. You can kick along stagnant, shitty leadership for decades.

 

[AidsNiggerSupreme]

That's dumb, because for every person who "snaps to their senses" you've got another who's going to decide it's so bad there's no point in even trying anymore and give up.

That's also dumb because no, it isn't going to wreck things so badly nobody can ignore it. It'll simply be a process where everything gets more unpleasant as power shifts more and more away from people. Any "collapse" is going to be decades off, decades of miserable depressing stagnation.

And as that transpires it will be spun in such a way that it's made out to the true believers to be someone else's fault (specifically the fault of wrongthinkers). Nobody's ever going to realize shit so long as the establishment has a hold on mass communication and culture.

It's all probably irrelevant though because accelerationists have exactly as little power to shift course as anyone else.
The whole thing remains a very homosexual ideology to subscribe to however.

Yes people are dumb and don't understand what's happening but at the same time they don't really have to. Its a financial collapse not a revolution that we are accelerating towards, the gravity of debt and economic inefficiency will bring down the government not a bunch of chudcels. If regular citizens are involved it will be through riots over gas prices or something. They don't need to be "radicalized" or "get it" they just need to be poor and pissed off.

The alternative would be that a small number of cucks desperately fight to do the right thing, keeping the governments budget restrained just enough to prevent collapse, paying just enough of their income in taxes to support hordes of welfare niggers who hate them, or the next isreal war. Essentially they would only be enabling their own abuse, nothing would ever get fixed, their efforts would just support the system that oppresses them. And as for the collapse and the aftermath, sure it would be a recession and inflation, but that's what we get anyways. No one should be holding dollars anyways. The collapse would be mostly within the financial institutions and the real world infrastructure would still exist so a bounce back wouldn't be too hard. We would just have a real opportunity to reshape the government instead of pressing buttons on a chinese vote computer.

 

[I hate women (like you)]

for every smarty pants who ponders on his voting strategy and shares it with his fellow nerds there's 10 thousand retards who choose their allegiance without a single thought. The only winning move is not to care, you're not the napoleon of the voting booth.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Accelerationism is just someone having wild fantasies and being dumb enough to want to will them into reality.
Apply that thinking to a historical event and it falls apart into hilarity.
"I support the Bolsheviks because the Tsardom of Russia is a corrupt decadent society and after it's collapse we can return to tradition."
"I support the Revolutionaries because the Kingdom of France is a corrupt decadent society and after it's collapse we can return to tradition."
"I support the Roundheads because the Kingdom of England is a corrupt decadent society and after it's collapse we can return to tradition."
So did this ever work?
Or was that not real accelerationism and true accelerationism hasn't been tried before.