LGBT is not a monolith

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I've made an observation that I believe prevents any useful dialogue about LGBT shit. Both the right and left treat all gays/lesbians/trannys as though they are all the same. I'm not simply referring to trends or biases amongst those groups, but they are viewed as the same phenomenon. The right will say gays are products of molestation while the left will say they are born that way. My thought is, why can't it be both? Is it not possible that what we collectively refer to as gays are not actually a singular group, but rather several different groups who share a common symptom of lusting after man ass? Likewise with trannys, although I think there is a more obvious distinction, the group consists of AGP sex pests and people with a genuine form of dysphoria.

What do my fellow kiwis internet retards make of this hypothesis? I've never seen anyone else posit this idea so I'm curious what you all think.
 
And even within the individual 'alphabets' there's plenty of internal divisions, i.e. non-white gays who think white gays are racist for not dating them.
 
You have the agency of an individual, if you willingly choose to associate with a collective but insist your agency is that of an individual, you're being dishonest.
If a man joins NAMBLA and then vehemently protests that he is a good one who wants consent before engaging in intercourse with children, is there really a worthwhile distinction to be had there? Is there enough of a degree of difference that you can separate that person from their willing association with that collective? The answer is no.
When you join a group, you willingly surrender a portion of autonomy to said group in order for that group to maneuver more efficiently as a one.
I'm tired of people involving themselves in groups but insisting they deserve critical scrutiny that an individual has whenever that group does something heinous or claiming to apart of that group when they do something worthwhile and positive. They want the privileges of both a collective and individual autonomy when and where it suits them, and to me it's just another form of dishonest sophistry and cheap obfuscation.
 
Have you ever hated a group of people but also had a friend who matched that description? Like someone who hates vegans but knows a couple cool vegan friends, or who hates religion but has religious friends, or who hates blacks but has a black friend.

"oh sure they're vegan but they don't hassle me for eating burgers" "they don't preach at me, I didn't even realize they were spiritual" "but he actually has interests and a personality"

People in undesired categories - regardless of if they opted in to the category or not - can be pretty chill as long as that's not the their key defining descriptor. But when they group together to form a political identity on the basis of that category you're not going to get chill people who are otherwise reasonable as long as they only interact with you regarding things you share in common. You're going to get the crazies for whom those traits are the basis of their personality.

Even the KKK is willing to befriend a black man as long as there's more to him than the color of his skin, just look at Daryl Davis. And nobody is arguing that he could have possibly grown up to be not black, he can't even hide his blackness by not shoving his sex life in everyone's face.

If on an individual level the gays are less well received by the right than a literal black man is by the KKK, maybe they should stop and think about why people can't stop seeing past their sexuality.
 
"They're all degenerates and deserve death."
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I think you guys are going in a different direction with this. This isn't about ideology or politics, but the actual terms gay, lesbian, and tranny being poorly defined groups.

A parallel example would be the term killer, which refers to people who have killed other people. It's a near worthless word because it lumps the likes of Kyle Rittenhouse in with Ted Bundy. Kyle and Ted are not the same thing, even if you consider Kyle a mass shooter the profile of a serial killer and mass shooter are fundamentally distinct. That's why we have separate terms like murder, serial killer, spree shooter, etc. Because we recognize that broadly categorizing these different things is pointless.

I'm suggesting something similar for lgbt types. I think there are multiple sub groups that are flat out not the same thing aside from their sexuality. Someone who has natural gay proclivities and someone who has a pathology derived from childhood trauma are as distinct as Kyle and Ted and we should have separate terms to describe them.
 
I'm kind of just repeating what everyone already said at this point, but, these groups might as well be a monolith for all political/cultural intents and purposes. While it is no doubt true that many gays don't like the activist groups and groomers or whatever, the consistent problem is that, as far as I can see, they stay relatively quiet about it. They stay in line and vote Democrat, or maybe they just don't vote at all. But they aren't willing to pull a Milo and come out and say yeah, actually I'm just going to actively go against a lot of this degenerate shit.

Now I'm not defending Milo personally, as no doubt he is a scummy character on a personal level, but if a gay person wanted me to take them seriously as "not a monolith" who isn't okay with all the degen shit, they need to take a stance along his lines as a bare minimum skin-in-the-game commitment. If you're going to claim that you realize there are problems in the LGO*BU)&$++IAQQ??++ community but then when the chips are down you just quietly cuck and keep voting for the left, then you can fuck off.

Of course, a "good gay" who actually did that is also going to end up like Milo where they have to really start questioning (publicly at least, I understand probably everything the guy did was a grift) if it's okay for them to be gay at all, if this is where they're at trying to ally with people like me who are serious conservatives and would prefer to ban homosexuality entirely. So that's why even your typical "good gay" will cuck and stay in line. But at the same time, that's also why they still deserve to be treated as a monolith, because when push comes to shove they will still back the groomer shit, or bare minimum won't really lift a finger against it. Political reality is what it is.

I think you guys are going in a different direction with this. This isn't about ideology or politics, but the actual terms gay, lesbian, and tranny being poorly defined groups.

A parallel example would be the term killer, which refers to people who have killed other people. It's a near worthless word because it lumps the likes of Kyle Rittenhouse in with Ted Bundy. Kyle and Ted are not the same thing, even if you consider Kyle a mass shooter the profile of a serial killer and mass shooter are fundamentally distinct. That's why we have separate terms like murder, serial killer, spree shooter, etc. Because we recognize that broadly categorizing these different things is pointless.

I'm suggesting something similar for lgbt types. I think there are multiple sub groups that are flat out not the same thing aside from their sexuality. Someone who has natural gay proclivities and someone who has a pathology derived from childhood trauma are as distinct as Kyle and Ted and we should have separate terms to describe them.


My whole schizo rant I just wrote still applies to this. In dealing with the political reality of everyone being forced to pick left or right, these distinctions really don't matter. Everything basically boils down to "degenerate" or "anti-degenerate." If you're any flavor of LGB whatever, you're in the former group, so you go left. The specific flavor is pretty much irrelevant.

This is the same point someone tried to raise in the abortion thread, with the same response, trying to say well ackchyually we should distinguish between people who think abortion is okay up to 15 weeks vs okay up til point of birth. But for all practical intents and purposes, those two are the same, because they will end up on the same side supporting the same policy. The 15 weeks person will be forced to choose between me who wants a full ban from point of conception or the other extreme of up til point of birth, so they'll probably just quietly cuck and go for the leftoid extreme.
 
I'm suggesting something similar for lgbt types. I think there are multiple sub groups that are flat out not the same thing aside from their sexuality. Someone who has natural gay proclivities and someone who has a pathology derived from childhood trauma are as distinct as Kyle and Ted and we should have separate terms to describe them.
The classification system based on what you're talking about would require the gay person to identify why they're gay and not all of them will go along with it or even have that info. We'd end up having to make assumptions based on speculation and reading into past comments, it'd just end up confirming our own biases rather than provide a useful classification system.

It would be like trying to sort cars based on how much legroom they have when 1) I haven't been in all of them and 2) there are already ways to sort cars based on brand, type, engine size, transmission etc. It's making a new metric when the existing one is already sufficient.

Another problem with what you're proposing is why they're gay is not necessarily meaningful in how that person perceives their own sexuality or how they interact with their gay peers (or anyone else). Are all gays who are gay because of molestation going to think the same way? Will they all have the same political beliefs? What useful information could be gained beyond the fact itself?

That's pretty much it, the only thing why they're gay tells us is why they're gay, and we're assuming we can actually make a definitive determination about that. There isn't much you can tell about them based on this factor which isn't just speculation. Some of that speculation might be more accurate than others but it's still going to be speculation.

What purpose would knowing why they're gay serve?
 
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This isn't about ideology or politics, but the actual terms gay, lesbian, and tranny being poorly defined groups.
Homosexual is a specific definition based on technical terminology. Gay and lesbian are general terms for homosexual. Gay and lesbian are not poorly defined terms; they're poorly defended terms. Trans ideology does not make exception for homosexuals. Lesbians and straight men are both expected to take the girldick. Gay men and straight women alike are told to enjoy the transman's "front hole".
 
No group is monolithic, but certain traits are overwhelmingly likely within those groups by circumstance and social engineering. As much as you're trying to steer this away from being political that is impossible as the overwhelming politicization of everything in the last 8 years or so has caused near monolithic clumping of groups. Things like gay people being mostly left wing make sense because many right wing types (even in this thread) actually do desire them to be limited in choice, and despite how much you like that ideology otherwise you're still outsidered by a decent portion of it. The association with grooming is more astroturfed because that leads to having to side with the group that is trying to normalize that, thus making it appear all gays are for it while those against it have to remain silent to not be ostracized. Not all righties hate gays and not all gays are groomers but that politicization forces groups to move in the direction that makes it seem monolithic.

For me, standard gay people are far less of a good example than trannies. I logically know trannies are individuals, I logically know there are some I would get along with, but the negative traits they share are so common and pronounced by circumstance it takes some effort to not fall into regarding them all in the same light because of how few examples there are of them not being self-serving sociopathic groomers.
 
What, really? I thought me and the other bisexuals all showed up to the annual LGBT converging point to discuss the thoughts we would ALL have for the remainder of the year. We show up in the flag colors like The Warriors or some shit and take orders from the SUPREME queer, the originator of it all. Shitty joking to the side; that's an obvious statement for a world that will reject it as quick as humanly possible. Least for those who speak English, primarily.
 
The classification system based on what you're talking about would require the gay person to identify why they're gay and not all of them will go along with it or even have that info. We'd end up having to make assumptions based on speculation and reading into past comments, it'd just end up confirming our own biases rather than provide a useful classification system.

It would be like trying to sort cars based on how much legroom they have when 1) I haven't been in all of them and 2) there are already ways to sort cars based on brand, type, engine size, transmission etc. It's making a new metric when the existing one is already sufficient.

Another problem with what you're proposing is why they're gay is not necessarily meaningful in how that person perceives their own sexuality or how they interact with their gay peers (or anyone else). Are all gays who are gay because of molestation going to think the same way? Will they all have the same political beliefs? What useful information could be gained beyond the fact itself?

That's pretty much it, the only thing why they're gay tells us is why they're gay, and we're assuming we can actually make a definitive determination about that. There isn't much you can tell about them based on this factor which isn't just speculation. Some of that speculation might be more accurate than others but it's still going to be speculation.

What purpose would knowing why they're gay serve?

Every gay will just self-classify as "born that way/it's pure genetics" anyways. No one will self-identify as "I'm gay because Uncle Timmy touched me." Just like how every troon will claim they "always knew" they were trans and etc.

No group is monolithic, but certain traits are overwhelmingly likely within those groups by circumstance and social engineering. As much as you're trying to steer this away from being political that is impossible as the overwhelming politicization of everything in the last 8 years or so has caused near monolithic clumping of groups. Things like gay people being mostly left wing make sense because many right wing types (even in this thread) actually do desire them to be limited in choice, and despite how much you like that ideology otherwise you're still outsidered by a decent portion of it. The association with grooming is more astroturfed because that leads to having to side with the group that is trying to normalize that, thus making it appear all gays are for it while those against it have to remain silent to not be ostracized. Not all righties hate gays and not all gays are groomers but that politicization forces groups to move in the direction that makes it seem monolithic.

The "LGBT community" is also inherently political in nature, as in, the whole concept explicitly started as a political movement/cultural tribe, with beliefs that place it in fundamental opposition to then-prevailing, now-persecuted moral and sexual norms. Trying to "de-politicize" faggotry is as absurd and pointless as trying to detach sex itself from culture and politics. Sorry bro, reproduction (or lack of it if you're a fag) is way too central to human social organization.

For me, standard gay people are far less of a good example than trannies. I logically know trannies are individuals, I logically know there are some I would get along with, but the negative traits they share are so common and pronounced by circumstance it takes some effort to not fall into regarding them all in the same light because of how few examples there are of them not being self-serving sociopathic groomers.

I agree with this despite wanting to completely disassociate from all forms of this shit. I've rarely found any gay people that I couldn't get along with, I can't actually think of any off the top of my head. On the other hand, I have spoken with a couple trannies that were alright, but literally only a couple. The rest I've interacted with caused some form of drama or conflict, some of them in truly overwrought fashion. The meme of "just leave me alone and let me do what I want behind closed doors" is a lot more true for people who are "only" gay compared to troons.

There are various reasons for this, but one of the big ones is that if I have to interact with a gay person, we can just not talk about politics and that's that. But with a tranny, it's very difficult to interact with them at all, even in a casual and passing manner, without making some visible sign that you are either playing into their delusion, or choosing not to. And if you do the latter the fuse is lit. This is also why the tranny shit has activated a backlash and changed this whole dynamic in a way that fags by themselves did not.
 
You have the agency of an individual, if you willingly choose to associate with a collective but insist your agency is that of an individual, you're being dishonest.
If a man joins NAMBLA and then vehemently protests that he is a good one who wants consent before engaging in intercourse with children, is there really a worthwhile distinction to be had there? Is there enough of a degree of difference that you can separate that person from their willing association with that collective? The answer is no.
When you join a group, you willingly surrender a portion of autonomy to said group in order for that group to maneuver more efficiently as a one.
I'm tired of people involving themselves in groups but insisting they deserve critical scrutiny that an individual has whenever that group does something heinous or claiming to apart of that group when they do something worthwhile and positive. They want the privileges of both a collective and individual autonomy when and where it suits them, and to me it's just another form of dishonest sophistry and cheap obfuscation.
She was basically awarded 22k for her hurt feelings because her employer might have discriminated against her beliefs...her claims about stonewall UK were summarily dismissed

Something tells me her award will probably be either reduced or removed completely appeal
 

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It has been quite bewildering seeing asexuals (you know, people who don't care about sex) grouped with those that do (LGBT). I think it's just a coalition to advance their interests (strength in numbers) even if that means some voices are left out or ignored because they threaten the coalition's existence.
 
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