LGBT is not a monolith

I think you guys are going in a different direction with this. This isn't about ideology or politics, but the actual terms gay, lesbian, and tranny being poorly defined groups.

A parallel example would be the term killer, which refers to people who have killed other people. It's a near worthless word because it lumps the likes of Kyle Rittenhouse in with Ted Bundy. Kyle and Ted are not the same thing, even if you consider Kyle a mass shooter the profile of a serial killer and mass shooter are fundamentally distinct. That's why we have separate terms like murder, serial killer, spree shooter, etc. Because we recognize that broadly categorizing these different things is pointless.

I'm suggesting something similar for lgbt types. I think there are multiple sub groups that are flat out not the same thing aside from their sexuality. Someone who has natural gay proclivities and someone who has a pathology derived from childhood trauma are as distinct as Kyle and Ted and we should have separate terms to describe them.

If something is wrong and socially destructive, does it matter why they did it?

One guy makes a calculated choice to beat up random Asian ladies because of his schizo political beliefs. Another guy has FAS and just hits Asian ladies because they're easy targets and he is naturally inclined to violence.

Who gives a shit? Lock them both up and put an advisory out in the Vietnamese grocery that grandma should pack heat or take a fit, armed nephew with her on her errands until you catch them.

Maybe the forensic shrink who evaluates the bad guys cares about their back story and will need to figure it out to try to treat/suppress them appropriately. But there's no reason why society at large should give a shit.
 
If something is wrong and socially destructive, does it matter why they did it?

One guy makes a calculated choice to beat up random Asian ladies because of his schizo political beliefs. Another guy has FAS and just hits Asian ladies because they're easy targets and he is naturally inclined to violence.

Who gives a shit? Lock them both up and put an advisory out in the Vietnamese grocery that grandma should pack heat or take a fit, armed nephew with her on her errands until you catch them.

Maybe the forensic shrink who evaluates the bad guys cares about their back story and will need to figure it out to try to treat/suppress them appropriately. But there's no reason why society at large should give a shit.
The comparison of homosexuality to beating old women in the store is ultimate political brain rot.
 
Really what's with the hate boner aganist homosexuality I really don't get it.
You are really bad at this innocent disingenuous act. You tried it in the terf thread too and it's just not convincing.

At least have the honesty to admit that you are aware of the reasons people oppose homosexuality and you just disagree. Why can't you just disagree? Why pretend like you've never heard of any of it before?
 
You are really bad at this innocent disingenuous act. You tried it in the terf thread too and it's just not convincing.

At least have the honesty to admit that you are aware of the reasons people oppose homosexuality and you just disagree. Why can't you just disagree? Why pretend like you've never heard of any of it before?
It's like talking to committed Marxist or a Qanon follower. I know what they believe and think. It just boggles my mind how they holds those beliefs given how demonstrably false they are. Simply put I can't understand how the arguments convince anyone. The fierce passion many have against homosexuality makes it all the more bewildering to me.
 
It's like talking to committed Marxist or a Qanon follower. I know what they believe and think. It just boggles my mind how they holds those beliefs given how demonstrably false they are. Simply put I can't understand how the arguments convince anyone. The fierce passion many have against homosexuality makes it all the more bewildering to me.
Show me the "demonstrably false" bit of "gay men spread disease and groom young boys as an inherent part of their culture."
 
The comparison of homosexuality to beating old women in the store is ultimate political brain rot.

Faggotry is arguably worse. The jogger beating on the old lady will be recognized as a threat and locked up. He has no way to justify his behavior to the average person. The faggot however is more subversive, and thus ultimately more dangerous to the social order.
 
Show me the "demonstrably false" bit of "gay men spread disease and groom young boys as an inherent part of their culture."
Gay men do have substantially higher rates of stds. But the accuracy of your statement stops there. Even if the later half was true it would be more a argument against western gay culture rather than homosexuality it's self.
 
Gay men do have substantially higher rates of stds. But the accuracy of your statement stops there
Ask George Takei and Milo greekopolis about that one.

One is far left, one is far right. Both are gay men. Both agree that "initiation" of teen boys is part of gay culture and not a bad thing.
 
Ask George Takei and Milo greekopolis about that one.

One is far left, one is far right. Both are gay men. Both agree that "initiation" of teen boys is part of gay culture and not a bad thing.
Data or Gtfo. And that's would be a valid criticism aganist current cultural practice. Extrapolating to the position all same sex activity is immoral by by default from that is a massive leap of logic.
 
LGBTQIA++UUDDLRLRAABBStartSelect people are not a monolith (except when it's useful for pushing "the agenda")

They certainly don't look like a monolith (photo for reference)

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Now THAT's a monolith!
 
Statistics or shut up. And that's would be a valid criticism aganist current cultural practice. Extrapolating to the position all same sex activity is immoral by by default from that is a massive leap of logic.
You bring statistics. Go ahead. I don't think you'll be happy with mine.

Gays rape boys into being gays.


In instrumental variable models, history of sexual abuse predicted increased prevalence of same-sex attraction by 2.0 percentage points (95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.4, 2.5), any same-sex partners by 1.4 percentage points (95% CI = 1.0, 1.9), and same-sex identity by 0.7 percentage points (95% CI = 0.4, 0.9). Effects of sexual abuse on men’s sexual orientation were substantially larger than on women’s. Effects of non-sexual maltreatment were significant only for men and women’s sexual identity and women’s same-sex partners.


The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

Men Account for Almost All Sexual Abuse of Children Cases
· An essay on adult sex offenders in the book Sexual Offending Against Children reported:”It is widely believed that the vast majority of sexual abuse is perpetrated by males and that female sex offenders only account for a tiny proportion of offences. Indeed, with 3,000 adult male sex offenders in prison in England and Wales at any one time, the corresponding figure for female sex offenders is 12!”

· Kee MacFarlane, et al., writing in Sexual Abuse of Young Children: Evaluation and Treatment report:”The large majority of sexual perpetrators appear to be males (Herman and Hirschman, 1981; Lindholm and Willey, 1983).”

· A report by the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children states: “In both clinical and non-clinical samples, the vast majority of offenders are male.”

· A study in the Journal of Sex Research states that “pedophilia does not exist, or is extremely rare, in women.”

A Significant Percentage of Child Sexual Abuse Victims are Boys
· According to the Journal of Child Psychiatry: “It was commonly believed fifteen years ago that girls were abused in excess of boys in a ratio of about 9 to 1, but contemporary studies now indicate that the ratio of girls to boys abused has narrowed remarkably. . . . The majority of community studies suggest a . . . ratio . . . in the order of 2 to 4 girls to 1 boy.” Another study found that “some authors now believe that boys may be sexually abused as commonly as girls (Groth, 1978; O’Brien, 1980).”

· A study of 457 male sex offenders against children in Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy found that “approximately one-third of these sexual offenders directed their sexual activity against males.”

Sexual Abuse of Boys is Underreported
The actual percentage of child sexual abuse victims who are boys very likely exceeds the above estimates. Many researchers echo the view of the Journal of Child Psychiatry study, which refers to the “under-reporting of the incidence and prevalence of sexual abuse in boys.”

· Dr. Robert Johnson, in Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, reports: “The vast majority of cases of male sexual molestation is not reported. As a result, these young men keep both the incidents and their feelings to themselves.”

· The Department of Justice report on child sexual exploitation explains why the percentage of boy victims is underestimated: “Adolescent boy victims are highly likely to deny certain types of sexual activity. . . . They are embarrassed and ashamed of their behavior and rightfully believe that society will not understand their victimization. . . . No matter what the investigator does, most adolescent boys will deny they were victims.”

· The Journal of Child Psychiatry adds: “Boys are usually encultured into an ethos where self-reliance, independence and sexual prowess are valued, while showing hurt or homosexuality are denigrated. . . . This may lead to powerful repression or deletion of the experience, with failure to report.”

Homosexuals Comprise Less than 3 Percent of the Population
· Relying upon three large data sets: the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. census, a recent study in Demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 percent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 percent.

· A study of the sexual behavior of men in the United States based on the National Survey of Men (a nationally representative sample comprised of 3,321 men aged twenty to thirty-nine, published in Family Planning Perspectives), found that “2 percent of sexually active men aged twenty to thirty-nine . . . had had any same-gender sexual activity during the last ten years. Approximately 1 percent of the men (1.3 percent among whites and 0.2 percent among blacks) reported having had exclusively homosexual activity.

· J. Gordon Muir, writing in The Wall Street Journal, discusses a number of studies that have found that homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.

· In a survey of studies on homosexuals in different populations, the Archives of Sexual Behavior reported a random sample of Hawaii State residents interviewed by telephone. The study found “just about 3 percent of males and 1.2 percent of females as having engaged in same-sex or bisexual activity.” However, this relatively higher number is attributed to the fact that the study was not limited to exclusive homosexuals, but included all those who at some time in their lives engaged in same-sex activities.

Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases
Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that “approximately one-third of had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls.” The authors then make a prescient observation: “Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1.”

In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

Similarly, the Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly overrepresented in child sex offence cases:

The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men (ACSF Investigators, 1992; Billy et al.,1993; Fay et al.,1989; Johnson et al.,1992); in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys (Blanchard et al.,1999; Gebhard et al.,1965; Mohr et al.,1964). Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles.”
The stark imbalance between homosexual and heterosexual child molestationswas confirmed in the Archives of Sexual Behavior study itself, which divided 260 pedophile participants into three groups: “152 heterosexual pedophiles (men with offenses or self-reported attractions involving girls only), 43 bisexual pedophiles (boys and girls), and 65 homosexual pedophiles (boys only).” In other words, 25 percent of the offenders were homosexual pedophiles–or 41 percent if those who molest girls as well as boys are included.

Other studies report an unusually high percentage of child molestations by homosexual pedophiles:

· A study on pedophilia in the Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa reported: “According to the literature, findings of a two-to-one ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles have been documented.”

· The Journal of Sex Research reports a study that included “199 offenders against female children and 96 offenders against male children. . . . This would indicate a proportional prevalence of 32 percent of homosexual offenders against children.”

· A study of male child sex offenders in Child Abuse and Neglect found that fourteen percent targeted only males, and a further 28 percent chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42 percent of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation.
 
You bring statistics. Go ahead. I don't think you'll be happy with mine.

Gays rape boys into being gays.




Have you read the response by Bailey et all? Am familiar with this paper even granting their data a minority of people with same sex attraction are created via abuse. It also doesn't lead to the position same sex activities bewteen consenting adults are immoral.
 
Have you read the response by Bailey et all?
If you want me to read something, put it in front of me.

But if it's the guy I am thinking of, he's a lolcow. And I doubt he responded to all the dozen or so studies from different people, using different angles, that keep coming to the same inconvenient conclusion.

Are you a homosexual male/groomer or a bpd cat lady/lesbian who wants to shield male homos for some odd reason?
 
If you want me to read something, put it in front of me.

But if it's the guy I am thinking of, he's a lolcow. And I doubt he responded to all the dozen or so studies from different people, using different angles, that keep coming to the same inconvenient conclusion.

Are you a homosexual male/groomer or a bpd cat lady/lesbian who wants to shield male homos for some odd reason?
Am actually a heterosexual male believe it or not. Like I said I just find virulent homophobia to be a topic of anthropological interest.


First thing you seem to be confused on the term Homosexual pedophile means. It usually refers to men who have an exclusive interest in children they are not a sample of the average male homosexual. When tested in Blanchard 2010 for example the average male homosexual is no more interested in children than his heterosexual counterpart. These results were a replication of Freund 1989 and both studies were further vindicated by Bailey 2020 . It also may be of interest to you that a study by Bailey found that Pedophiles are turned off by adult men. So what's going on here is a conflation of terms that when properly understood put to bed the notion that male homosexuals have an abnormal attraction to children.

Sources cited
Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference Kurt Freund 1989
Sexual attraction to others: a comparison of two models of alloerotic responding in men Ray Blanchard 2010.
An Internet study of men sexually attracted to children: Sexual attraction patterns Michael Bailey 2016
A map of desire: multidimensional scaling of men's sexual interest in male and female children and adults Michael Bailey 2020
 
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Data or Gtfo. And that's would be a valid criticism aganist current cultural practice. Extrapolating to the position all same sex activity is immoral by by default from that is a massive leap of logic.

All research banned due to "homophobia" --> "Where is the data?" --> "Lol gays aren't pedos there's no data on that!" --> All research banned due to "homophobia" --> etc.

Of course there is data out there anyways, not that you would ever accept it, because "homophobia." But this would be quite an impossible thing to quantify in Current Year. Both perpetrators and victims have overwhelming social desirability bias to avoid admitting to the activity, or even convince themselves that there was nothing wrong with it in the first place.
 
All research banned due to "homophobia" --> "Where is the data?" --> "Lol gays aren't pedos there's no data on that!" --> All research banned due to "homophobia" --> etc.

Of course there is data out there anyways, not that you would ever accept it, because "homophobia." But this would be quite an impossible thing to quantify in Current Year. Both perpetrators and victims have overwhelming social desirability bias to avoid admitting to the activity, or even convince themselves that there was nothing wrong with it in the first place.
That data is clear Pedophiles do have a high rate of attraction to boys. What's being disputed is if male Homosexual Teleiophiles have a high rate of attraction to children. The latter premise is empirically false and the problem is that those two aforementioned groups of men are often conflated by ignorant laymen or ideologues acting in bad faith.
 
of course they're not a monolith, but their political lobbying organisations are monolithic enough to make it so for all practical purposes
This reminds me of the discourse with internet feminism in the pre-GamerGate world. Someone would tell internet feminists they're going too far or stereotype them and they would all go "Nuh uh! We're not a monolith! We don't all believe the same thing!" Yet they derive benefit from the actions of their most extreme and they hardly decry them. They keep their mouths shut about the Jessica Valentis and Valerie Solaneses of the world in the name of solidarity. They permitted the most obnoxious and extreme among them to be their ambassadors then insisted "don't collectivize me bro! Not a monolith!" Most Christians have at least some secondhand embarrassment about shit like the Westboro Baptist Church, but these people that share every belief I do and do largely the same things I do? Never heard of 'em!

Worst part is these are the same people that will bang on about white privilege and tell you that you benefit from privilege so you deserve to be taken down a peg. Sure is funny that they understand nuance and individuality when it's their own, innit?
 
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