LGBT related issues and subjects have been taken way too far over the years and it's good to see that there are people here who still have common sense.
I honestly don't care what most other gays or trannies think. Many of them are mentally ill drug addicts with freakish practices. There are some good ones that are normal and don't make being gay or a tranny their whole personality. LGBT people need a dose of reality to realize they're not the norm. Many faggots deserve to be ridiculed for behaving flamboyantly, gross and mean. Being LGBT shouldn't give you a pass to be a terrible person.
Other gays want to put me in a box of degenerate conformity where I have to be a "YASSS QUEEN SLAY POLY THEY/THEM ACAB BLM " NPC. I refuse and get called a self-hating "pick me." My personality and beliefs have nothing to do with my sexual preferences. I have more in common with a straight white conservative farmer than I do with some crossdressing mullato city prostitute.
The great thing about the internet is that if something personally really bothers you, nobody is forcing you to look at it. I avoid some parts of the farms because of a lack of interest, and I avoid some parts because they feel overly hostile. Problem (mostly) solved.
There is pervasive homophobia and transphobia that's present in probably every thread, but it isn't anything that most queers haven't heard before. If you lurk before engaging, you're already aware that people throw around slurs like they're 12 and just discovered the word. It really shouldn't be a surprise, and if you're engaging with the community you're agreeing to be exposed to that aspect of kiwi culture (not necessarily participate in, nobody is making you say shit).
When I came out, most LGBTQ people just wanted to live a normal life like everyone else and have equal rights. These days it's different. The entire trans community is viewed as a joke because of a very loud sub-community. Half of the trans women I've met are overly sexual, constantly talking about their girldicks and not realizing when someone doesn't want to flirt back. Almost every trans boy (no such thing as a trans man anymore, huh?) and nonbinary person is a teenage or early-mid 20s woman who wants to look androgynous, have green hair, and not be subjected to nonstop misogyny. Trenders and fetishists are a problem, maybe not as prevalent or damaging as some kiwis seem to believe but they do exist.
In between the shitposting, I've actually seen some serious discussion of these huge flaws in the LGBTQ community. I don't know of any other platform, in person or online, that allows criticism of harmful behavior of minority groups. Being a minority does not mean you are immune to criticism and/or incapable of doing shitty things.
Most of this introspection and criticism is coming from other LGBTQ people who have seen it happen in person. These people are also usually the ones who can actually do shit about the problems.
Even if there are genuine Farmers who think being a faggot is like walking with Satan, you at least are allowed to have serious discussions on the matter without being silenced for it. You don't see that depth in other sites (maybe Tumblr since they little more saner since the 2018 porn purge).
I'd rather hear out what a homophobe would say than being lectured by another queer.
The great thing about the internet is that if something personally really bothers you, nobody is forcing you to look at it. I avoid some parts of the farms because of a lack of interest, and I avoid some parts because they feel overly hostile. Problem (mostly) solved.
There is pervasive homophobia and transphobia that's present in probably every thread, but it isn't anything that most queers haven't heard before. If you lurk before engaging, you're already aware that people throw around slurs like they're 12 and just discovered the word. It really shouldn't be a surprise, and if you're engaging with the community you're agreeing to be exposed to that aspect of kiwi culture (not necessarily participate in, nobody is making you say shit).
When I came out, most LGBTQ people just wanted to live a normal life like everyone else and have equal rights. These days it's different. The entire trans community is viewed as a joke because of a very loud sub-community. Half of the trans women I've met are overly sexual, constantly talking about their girldicks and not realizing when someone doesn't want to flirt back. Almost every trans boy (no such thing as a trans man anymore, huh?) and nonbinary person is a teenage or early-mid 20s woman who wants to look androgynous, have green hair, and not be subjected to nonstop misogyny. Trenders and fetishists are a problem, maybe not as prevalent or damaging as some kiwis seem to believe but they do exist.
In between the shitposting, I've actually seen some serious discussion of these huge flaws in the LGBTQ community. I don't know of any other platform, in person or online, that allows criticism of harmful behavior of minority groups. Being a minority does not mean you are immune to criticism and/or incapable of doing shitty things.
Most of this introspection and criticism is coming from other LGBTQ people who have seen it happen in person. These people are also usually the ones who can actually do shit about the problems.
I've had to acknowledge that a major reason I've only recently come to terms with myself despite being FUCKING OBVIOUSLY a queer little idiot most of my life is that I really, REALLY, never wanted to be associated with gay culture. I always thought it was obnoxious. But recently it's just gotten downright fucking incoherent and alienating. Supposedly these are the people who are supposed to help me understand myself, but all I get out of them is another group of people that make me feel like an alien creature and who try to tell me what to say and how to act. As if what I really need in my life is another set of arbitrary, nonsensical, expectations that revolve solely around other people's ego. I don't like being told what to do by fucking anybody, much less some effete college student who doesn't know the first thing about actual suffering or what life is actually like for people not privileged enough to spend all fucking day obsessing over whether they're presenting "masc" enough or whatever.
So I won't give you the whole gay "discovering myself" bullshit but when you DO realize this shit you want to talk about it with somebody. So I go on gay reddit, because why the fuck not. What's gayer then reddit? Literally all of this shit, all of it, every single sub focused on the LGBT community, is fucking CHILDREN talking about their fucking weird ass pronouns nobody knows how to say and asking a bunch of insane permanently confused queers what they should be calling themselves. A sea of white 20 something women who think cutting their hair short is "masculine" and therefore they are actually "nonbinary", which as far as I can tell is not an actual thing but just a political statement masquerading as something innate. And not only that, using the aesthetics of something I actually struggle with in an attempt to justify itself. A fashion statement using my insecurities in an attempt to make itself seem more legitimate then it is. It's like watching a middle schooler put on black face and then go around telling everybody they understand "the black experience" even though they're still just fucking Kelsey from Malibu.
And besides, why the fuck are we treating gender stereotypes as concrete and innate all of a sudden? 10 years ago gays I knew said gender was a social construct and didn't actually mean anything, now these fucking fashionistas are acting like wearing pants is the same as having the entirety of the male experience. No Kelsey, you dumb bitch, you don't know what it is like to be a man just like I don't have a single fucking clue what it is like being a women. Liking button up shirts is not what masculinity is. Call me when you no longer have the ability to cry because you've had emotion beaten out of you by every single fucking role model in your life.
And like, I'm supposed to pretend this shit makes sense? That I relate to it at all? Like I'm supposed to pretend some lilly white bimbo who never suffered a day in her meaningless life is one of the most persecuted people in America because they call themselves "xer" and cut off their bangs?
Back in the 80's and 90's calling this type of person "lesbian until graduation" was a thing. It was a well known type and there was a stereotype in the gay community attached to it. Now I'm not supposed to call a spade a spade and pretend this shit is the most important thing ever.
I understand everybody's got their own struggles, everybody's path is different, I don't pretend to known everything or now what's "right" or anything else. But queer people these days increasingly want me to sacrifice MY identity to make room for these retards. And I'm not doing it, go die in a fire.
And you know what's fucked? THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE I'M ALLOWED TO SAY THIS!
Well the short answer is that people are entitled to their opinion. If somebody looks down on me for being gay without getting to know me for who I am then the loss is theirs. That out the way, I think there are topics within the LGBT culture that are worthy of criticism and on several topics I'd probably agree with people, there are shitty people in all walks of life. I don't believe being a lesbian should be my entire personality, it's just what I am but such a small aspect of who I am and my life that it shouldn't be important to other people. I think we had it right at "live and let live", I advocate for conservatism in gay relationships, what we do behind closed doors should not concern you.
I'm as open as the next person about my sexual preferences but this idea that gay people need a huge song and dance and for everyone to back pat them for preferring the same sex is fucking dumb. Pride is a horrible event that became an excuse for degeneracy, we have gay people making videos to brainwash and groom kids and a huge grifter culture where people demand money and freebies based on them feeling like a boy in the morning, a girl mid-afternoon and 5 genders in the evening. There is something very wrong in society when this is becoming the norm. Gay people should have the right to be judged on their own merits like everyone else, we shouldn't be excused from being called out for being shitty people or mentally ill.
We're here, queer and the world is over it so why can't we also be over it?
Even if there are genuine Farmers who think being a faggot is like walking with Satan, you at least are allowed to have serious discussions on the matter without being silenced for it. [...] I'd rather hear out what a homophobe would say than being lectured by another queer.
I'd be genuinely interested in hearing why someone holds that belief (other than religion, I'm talking about someone making their own independent choices). That could actually make some positive changes, or at least help people understand other points of view. Community infighting doesn't do anything positive.
I'd be genuinely interested in hearing why someone holds that belief (other than religion, I'm talking about someone making their own independent choices). That could actually make some positive changes, or at least help people understand other points of view. Community infighting doesn't do anything positive.
I'm rarely bothered by any of it, if ever. Hell, I used to regularly shitpost on various boards on 4chan for a good chunk of my young adult life, so seeing the word "faggot" thrown around doesn't even phase me - in fact, I love to regularly use it as a generalized insult wherever it's permitted (such as here.) And to be fair, the way that LGBT culture has begun to act increasingly more deranged and pushy, along with the intense rise of Rainbow Capitalism, the pronoun cults, the furor over the Florida Parental Rights in Education ("Don't say gay" my ass) and the more recent drag queen push upon children is making me want to increasingly distance myself from all of that. I have no problems being known as a "straight-passing gay" and the only belittling I've faced in my life has been for things quite unrelated to being gay. So seeing the usual Christian takes here about homosexuality largely makes me go "Yes, I get it, I'm a sodomite. But it's not gonna stop me from trying to become a self-aware, sensible and mature human being" - Things which I notice the LGBT cult sorely lack. And any attempts to point that out to past acquaintances that fall under that umbrella have honestly opened me up to more discrimination from gays/bisexuals/troons than I get from normie straights.
It's kind of why I like it here. A lot of my convictions would get me banned off of damn near any other website nowadays despite being gay myself because I'm so low on the oppression totem pole just for being a "cishet white gay" (I mouth puke at the term "cishet") and despite the things I see here that would otherwise break the spirit of a gay dude... I remain largely unfazed by it. In fact, it's almost zen to me. This large collection of the internet's biggest lolcows serves to keep me as grounded in reality as possible, and in a way I'm grateful that it does. Heaven forbid I would be so devoid of self-awareness that I would have one day wound up on here with a thread of my own if things turned out differently, you know?
It's mostly, if not entirely deserved. The LGBT community has been cringe for as long as I can remember. So many people have only their sexuality going on in their life that if they're not a flamer who lets people know all the time, they are a boring person. They talk big about community but are the first to throw each other under the bus for anything, falling on hard times, political disagreement, not conforming to parts of the lifestyle that don't involve where I'm sticking myself, and not giving a fuck about certain issues. No, I'm not signing your petition for taxpayer-funded HIV drugs. You backed into an infected dick (probably the 50th that night) and now you have to live with the consequences.
