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"Transgender" would technically also include non binary folks.
So there should be a bunch I believe. The thing is, this gender idea to me is odd, it's like people are discussing different things so there is no way to be on the same page.
According to different standards, maybe I would. But the notion of "gender identity" is alien to me, or has been for my whole life, I don't identify myself with "male" or "female" or anything else.
I identify myself as myself, my "stereotypical male behaviour" (which I don't even know what that would be) could easily be shared by a lot of females, and my "stereotypical female behaviour" is also very present in males.
I was born as a male biologically, but my traits, likes, desires, hobbies & ideas don't have gender; I don't care about being "physically masculine" at all, and would prefer to lean towards aspects that happen to be perceived or associated with femininity, like in terms of physique.
So if I even want to entertain the idea of gender identity, I guess I would be non binary, and therefore transgender, but my body is what it is, and my consciousness and personality is my own.
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This is normal. Literally no one wakes up with such an extreme hyperfixation on appearing masculine/feminine and "feeling their gender" except for trannies. They act like "cis" people would also have a breakdown if "misgendered" or if they woke up as the opposite sex - but very few "cis" people actually would. Idgaf if someone "misgenders" me, it happens a lot online as people assume I'm a male, and I never go "REEE IT'S ACTUALLY MA'AM".
"Nonbinary" doesn't exist, and is a completely normal "feeling" that autists and narcissists misinterpret to feel special. "Nonbinary" would include literally all tomboys and gay people, if it were a legitimate thing. Even most intersex people are still male or female, but they just have malformed genitals. True human hermaphrodites don't exist, regardless of what hentai addicts and "nonbinaries" will have you believe.
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I thought you were talking about a Baldur's Gate III character (also named Balthazar), so I was surprised there's a plushie of him to begin with. Doesn't look very cuddly to me.
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¿Cómo?
That's why I said if I even considered gender identity a thing, which I normally do not.
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"I'm a normal fag, not a deviant like the others."
No, you are exactly like the others. Stop with this pathetic bullshit.
The conservatives want to kill you just the same; you'll never be accepted. Just admit it already and move on with your objective degenerate life. You are not different from the bugchaser or the shit eater.
The cool guys, the "christians", want you DEAD. Stop trying to please them, you are a fucking retard who is wasting your time.
No, you are exactly like the others. Stop with this pathetic bullshit.
The conservatives want to kill you just the same; you'll never be accepted. Just admit it already and move on with your objective degenerate life. You are not different from the bugchaser or the shit eater.
The cool guys, the "christians", want you DEAD. Stop trying to please them, you are a fucking retard who is wasting your time.
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Detrans kiwis have their own thread here. I imagine there are a fair number of true and honest trannies on the farms if there's a small population of users who consider themselves "detrans."
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You are a male, then. Being male or female is an immutable characteristic humans are born with.
Anything other than that, your personality, the things you like and dislike, how you choose to dress yourself, how you groom yourself, the way you talk, who you're attracted to, etc.; all of that has nothing to do with your sex. You are who you are, and there's nothing anyone can do to change that.
You can be a "feminine" man, meaning you happen to fit into some of the stereotypes that society has classified as "feminine", and you're still 100% a man. The reality for 99% of people is that they fit into both "feminine" and "masculine" stereotypes. The idea of "gender" is nothing more than sex stereotypes. So people who say "no, I'm actually not a woman, because I like trucks, the color blue and wearing clothes that are typically designed to fit the male body", are just conflating sex stereotypes with sex.
You're no less of a woman and more of a man for liking those things. Being a woman or a man is nothing else than being male or female.
What you say about your traits, likes, desires, hobbies and ideas not having gender is completely true. Some people have made stereotypes out of certain things, but it's just that: stereotypes.
Everyone's personality and consciousness is their own, but we're all human beings, and as such we're all either male or female. And that's perfectly okay. The fact that you're male shouldn't constrain you into doing things you don't like or acting in ways that you don't enjoy.
I've been confused for a woman a couple times in my life (I think some men see long hair and just think "woman", for some reason), and it never bothered me. I know what I am. It's always funny when I encounter troons who act like "misgendering" people who aren't delusional is somehow going to hurt them. In reality I don't think anyone cares.
"Non-binary" includes literally everyone on this planet. There's no one who 100% fits every stereotype of their sex, and even if they do, some stereotypes vary from culture to culture. In most Western countries, if a man wears anything other than trousers, it is perceived as a deviation from the "masculine" stereotype, while in Scotland, wearing a kilt might be the pinnacle of "masculine". This can be applied to an endless list of behaviors and traits.
All intersex people are male or female.
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True, sorry I kinda worded that wrong.
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That's what I said though, I'm not sure why everyone is misinenterpreting what I posted or what.
Under this premise, "gender identity" holds no real meaning, but I said that if I was willing to consider it, under the people's standards who believe in it and define it as such, then I'd be non-binary, and therefore transgender, under the technical definition.
Outside of the scope of gender identity and its notion, if we deem it as not a real thing and based on a fallacy, transgenderism would also not exist, it would mean nothing.
So no matter how hard you desire to be of the other gender, how you feel, how you act, how much dysphoria you have from being born that way, etc, even how "close" your brain resembles that of the other gender in terms of its structure in general, conditioned to like or act stereotypically like that sex, gender would only be dictated by chromosomes, and "gender identity" would be a mere desire, by the man or woman who was born as that. That is under your point of view, which isn't the transgender point of view.
So again, that's why I also mentioned not being on the same page, and why having these conversations are difficult, because we're talking about different things.
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I see. But not only you would be non-binary, and therefore transgender, we would all be. That's what's so wrong about gender ideology. It's applicable to everyone, but some people are more vulnerable to it for a variety of reasons.
Agreed. It means nothing, it is a completely empty and fruitless pursuit, and whoever engages in it is chasing an illusion.
Sex* would be dictated by chromosomes (although sex is more than just chromosomes, as we can see in some cases of either male or female intersex people).
I see you're alluding to some of the usual trans talking points based on gender ideology. "Dysphoria from being born that way". The claim that dysphoria comes magically out of nothing, just out of discomfort from being who you are, is just ludicrous. The problem with gender ideology and the concept of transgender/sexual is that there is no real exploration of WHY someone hates their body, provided that there actually is (sex) dysphoria.
There is always a reason. It can be due to the child's family enforcing very strict sex stereotypes to which the child has to conform to, leading that child to believe that only by being the opposite sex could they engage in certain behavior. It could be as a result of sexual abuse, which is very common. There are really many possibilities, and the beliefs causing dysphoria sprout out of traumatic events, and these beliefs can be altered once the person becomes conscious of them, as they are most of the time subconscious.
The trauma can be healed as well. But transgenderism has been able to survive and thrive because, unlike any other delusional pathology, it's treated like an identity and not a mental illness. As such, it has become taboo for psychotherapists to treat the mental illness itself, digging for the root cause of it is now deemed "conversion therapy", thanks to gender ideology lobbyists (backed by big pharma).
The current solution is putting a band-aid on top of the problem (surgery and hormones) and let the unresolved trauma fester untouched.
This has always been a strange one to me. Even if true, which I still don't entirely buy because of all the lobbying and money there is to be made from this idea, someone's brain structure isn't very relevant in this case. As if the brain was reflective of your "true self" for some reason. When the brain is merely a reflector, an antenna, thinking doesn't actually happen in the brain, but in the aether body. The brain is a mirror for those thoughts. Regardless of what you believe in relation to that, you could take the brain of a schizophrenic and the brain of someone who's actually being persecuted, and they probably will have similar structures. The same for someone who's anorexic, they probably have a similar brain structure to someone who's obese. You could apply the same principle to a lot of other mental disorders.
I'm not saying this is your position, but I find it very interesting that this is the one case where it's okay to do these kinds of comparisons, meanwhile, if you suggest that these comparisons be made with other mental illnesses, trans activists have a hissy fit, because transgenderism isn't a mental illness, even though it's based on the same self-hate / self-rejection mechanism as a lot of other mental illnesses like bulimia, anorexia, transracialism or body integrity dysphoria.
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A lot of transgender folks I've seen hold these ideas (from here on I'll say "them" to refer to these, meaning not all), which I can empathize with to some level: for one, they are deeply uncomfortable and sad that they were not born as their preferred gender, and what the genetics of their body would naturally lean to; in the case of trans women, not only do they like the stereotypical, general feminine traits (soft features, chest, genitalia, curves in specific places/fat distribution, hair [not having a genetic prominence to lose it on the head, and have weaker/lesser in other places, like legs, body and so on], the general higher-pitched/softer voice, etc), but they also want to be that, they desire that body. Not even to date someone like this, but to be one, aesthetically.
The believe that if they were born like that they would be happier (and I assure you they would); the "genetic raffle" was not won, and that's one of the reasons of what contributes to their dysphoria. If their conception just happened to have the correct chromosomes in their parents gametes, their life would be wildly different. This is why some consider to be transgender a "curse", because you were deprived of a happy life by being in the "wrong" body as they say. This is gender dysphoria.
They believe that their behaviour, likes, and personality aligns with the stereotypical female ones, which we've mentioned that don't necessarily have to be male or female, but they are undoubtedly perceived like that in society. You can't act a certain way as a male without some or a lot of people thinking you're gay or something. The way of talking, the gestures, etc, these are associated to male or female, and they like the female ones.
They think that if they were biological females their true personality would blossom, because they could live their lives naturally in a way that makes them happy, and it's not only biological factors, they also like societal factors. For example, they also like female aesthetics: the "cute" dresses and all that, instead of the masculine ones which seem like shackles to them.
So all of this is what makes them believe that they truly align with the female gender, they desire to look, sound, do, dress, behave, and be seen as females, and them being born as males was just an accident that is preventing them from being the beatiful woman they would have been, I'm sure you've seen this claim.
This strong desire and perceived "inner self" of what they are is what gives birth to gender identity, the clear distinction in happiness & comfort between being born one way or another, a way that impacts someone's way of life in normal conditions (so it's not like a disabled person having dysphoria from being disabled, that's another type of tragedy).
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Discourse. You can't discuss important issues on most social media nowadays (even if you're a tranny), because as soon as you say something slightly offensive to the modern ultra left agenda™ you Hitler (look how they treat Blaire White). Also, there aren't that many forums anymore. The format of a forum is just convenient.
Farms aren't as terrible as people think they are. Some may say retarded shit to you or give your post a bad rating, but who gives a fuck. These aren't tranny specific experiences. It's just internet. If you're not an annoying cunt or a child molester you'll be fine (not only on Farms, but also in life).
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Of course, but that's because this is the Internet, what are they going to do? Nothing, at most attempt to dox you. Or more if you're really careless, but that could happen to anyone on here.
However as far as ideology, I think people in here hold more malice towards trans women than trans men, and put everyone in the same basket, and so they believe that these trans females are all bad & horrible people.
I recently had the displeasure of talking with some retard (one of the many in here) that believes some really stupid shit, like they literally say they don't consider them human (trans females).
Are you not a trans male? Well, people here would believe you are because you were raped as a kid.
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Yeah, it's a common narrative here. I can't really blame people. After all Yanivs and Orchards they've seen in the threads it's easy to understand their frustration.
"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
Than they should come up with other explanation, because nothing like that has ever happened to me.
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You're not born as any gender, gender is a man-made concept. You're born as a sexed human being.
I can sympathize with that feeling, as I also as a man want to keep the hair on my head and wish I didn't have as much of it in other places, for example. Having an aesthetic preference for yourself is an extremely common human experience. I also love the beauty of women, even though I'm not even attracted to them. There are certain stereotypical "feminine" things that I enjoy myself, like having long hair.
I also believed I would have been happier had I been born a woman at one point in my life, and I also had sex dysphoria. But I wasn't "born in the wrong body", and I didn't lose any "genetic raffle". These are rationalizations that come from a dissatisfaction with reality. The fact that the dysphoria was there meant that something wasn't quite right in my psyche. I believed I would have been happier as a woman, and I had sex dysphoria, as a result of lots of abuse growing up and as the result of me hiding and repressing my same sex attraction.
I hated myself and I was embarrassed about my body, because I had internalized that men can only be one specific way, and I didn't fit that mold of what a man was "supposed to be". I didn't fit a bunch of stereotypes.
The reality is that fantasizing about what would happen if one had been born as the opposite sex comes from a place of self-rejection and self-hatred. It's not just "I want to be X". It's "I want to be something I'm not". That means that you are pushing yourself away, and the only logical conclusion is that something is not emotionally right, something is not psychologically right.
It's exactly the same as with people who want to chop off a limb because they feel like that's their "true self". Those people might be convinced that they'd be happier if they had been born without certain limbs, or if they got their limbs chopped off, but it's coming from trauma and mental illness. To go along with their fantasy and their delusion is to hurt them further. If people actually cared about trans identified people, they would treat them the same way as we treat people who want to get rid of their limbs. We would try to get to the bottom of things and heal the emotional and psychological wounds that are provoking such self-hating thoughts.
And by pushing themselves into these stereotypes, they help perpetuate them and uphold them, to the detriment of both men and women, since literally no one is a walking amalgamation of stereotypes. Trans identified people often look like grotesque caricatures of what men and women are because they are precisely trying to embody stereotypes.
And there it is, the blatant homophobia that results from transgenderism and gender ideology, once again rearing its ugly head. "God forbid I look gay or something, I'd rather chop off my dick and call myself a woman."
Homosexual transgenders are all homophobes, and male TIMS are all sexist. Being a woman is not wearing nails, it's not hormones, it's not long hair, it's not a high-pitched voice. And you're still gay if you suck a dick while you're wearing a skirt. But you'd rather pretend it's not gay, you're now a "woman", after all. But you're indeed not a woman, you're just pretending to be one because you can't bear the fact that you're gay.
Which, with my experience in life, I can perfectly understand, but you're hurting yourself, and you're hurting others. You're not only letting your trauma fester by merely coping with it (instead of looking it in the eye and doing something about it), you're also telling other people who hate themselves for whatever reason, that it's okay to do so.
And no, it's not okay. There's a reason why trans identified people kill themselves at such high rates. Trauma that is repressed and coped with eventually resurfaces stronger than before. Ignoring reality can only last for so long before you inevitably crash back down.
Again, a delusion based on the perception that their "true personality", whatever that means, can't "blossom" as themselves. (self hatred)
Again, it's not as if men can't wear whatever they want, but it's this fear of societal consequences because we're expected to fit into sex stereotypes. I think it's contemptible to reinforce those stereotypes out of cowardice. I admire men who wear whatever the fuck they want and still know that they're men and don't try to delude themselves or gaslight other people.
That's brave, and that I admire. There's this youtuber called John Maclean who is a man and knows he's a man, but enjoys a lot of "stereotypically feminine" style, and so he chooses to style himself in that way.
This other kind of cowardice where you need to be acknwledged as a woman (even though everyone is lying through their teeth to not hurt your feelings), even though I understand where it's coming from, I find pathetic.
The solution, once again, is therapy. True healing.
What the hell is the "female gender"? There is no female gender. There is female sex. Female gender is nonsense. You can say that they truly align themselves with a bunch of arbitrary stereotypes, if you want to be accurate.
Yes, and it's an absurd and insane fever dream, produced by the heat of self-loathing.
It's exactly the same thing. There is nothing you've said here that couldn't be applied to someone who's transracial or someone who's transage, or someone with body integrity identity disorder.
I'm under the impression though, that you actually buy into these ideas.
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No, I am recognizing that there are "2 (actually more) schools of thought", keep in mind that this is from my understanding, I don't claim to be an authority here. The first one, which determines what someone is on all aspects, based on what chromosomes the individual has. If they have the Y sexual chromosome, they're male, period, if they don't, they're female; "gender identity" doesn't exist, or "gender" altogether, unless you want to use it interchangeably with "sex". Which is what I've been doing nearly my whole life.
The second (or the rest) consider gender identity a thing, and gender is not necessarily and entirely tied to sexual chromosomes. I say "rest" because some believe (in the case of trans women) that your brain can align more to how females would generally have it, but it's not like black or white, it's a gradient, meaning, a trans woman would have their brain aligning more (maybe not completely) with the "female brain" structure. What kind of structure that is? I'm sure someone would have a bunch of studies ready to go, not me, but seems nebulous at the time being. Now this is what some believe.
Others, would believe in a mix of two, but being its own thing. Sex is also tied to sexual chromosomes, and gender is also a made-up construct, but it's real enough where it's addressed and considered for the pursue of happiness. So for example, a trans female, born as a male, recognizes that he is biologically a male, but amongst other things experiences gender dysphoria. This is the result of an extreme desire of being born as the opposite sex, and is not necessarily tied to what you've said, like self-hatred; it is of course dissatisfaction with reality (that's the whole point), and it's the reason why they'd rather live as how they would if they were born a female, and everything that goes along with it (like social expectations). Some wouldn't even want to go to female bathrooms for example, if it would make other uncomfortable; there are obviously more aspects to this where it differs between individuals for me to list everything.
Now like you, I myself believe that I would have been happier if I was born as a female, yet I don't have any negative thoughts or opinions on homosexual people, you can be sure of that, how the individual is (personality & behaviour), stays above every other trait. I don't hate my body or self-loathe, and I am proud to some degree of my diligence with it. If someone was like me, and wanted to live their life like a female, I would see no problem, they would not be harming themselves in any way, and they would in fact pursue happiness to a greater degree.
We actually agree on a bunch of things, not all, but I am more lenient with certain ideologies when I recognize that such way of life would bring happiness to the person. I know trans women who are living happily (far more than a lot of Kiwifarmers on here, from what I've seen), more accomplished, and with a brighter future. Their way of life is not hurting them, on the contrary. Does this mean everyone is like this? No.