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General Patton said:
I hate the word pussy already and I hate bussy even more.
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you hate pussy?
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I think it's a disgusting and unflattering word, yes.

Since we were talking about trans issues. I only know one who is an obnoxious cunt. He's a black gay dude who now goes by "they/them" but he was already an obnoxious twat before he went by that.

I find it funny that the few trans people who don't go by they/them have been cool around me, but the they/thems tend to be the most insufferable assholes. I only know one or two t/t's that were okay.
 
General Patton said:
I think it's a disgusting and unflattering word, yes.

Since we were talking about trans issues. I only know one who is an obnoxious cunt. He's a black gay dude who now goes by "they/them" but he was already an obnoxious twat before he went by that.

I find it funny that the few trans people who don't go by they/them have been cool around me, but the they/thems tend to be the most insufferable assholes. I only know one or two t/t's that were okay.
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Just call it it/its out of spite
 
Theodore H. said:
The first thing I wanted to ask about is the "troon epidemic" that is talked about in places like the "Stinkditch" subforum, or the more general politics threads: where is it? I understand that this may sound like bait, but I am very serious. Where do these people congregate? Have I simply managed to miss them?
The way trans people are described in the modern day on those threads (such as "When did you hit peak trans and why?"), it feels as if I am reading into some alternate universe nightmare dimension, where every single trans-identifying person is publicly flapping their genitalia into the wind and screeching epithets at people when a mistake is made; going out in dresses and beards and tacky transgender socks and screaming "IT'S MA'AM," as the meme goes.
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Keep in mind the Bad Toupee Fallacy is at work; if your picture winds up on this site, you were probably very loudly and publicly being an annoying and/or unintentionally funny sperg. Contrary to popular belief, we don't hunt people down. We laugh at what they are doing to themselves in public. For a lot of them, a great deal of their problems would go away if they stopped making fools of themselves on social media.
 
I'm allowed to post in the LGBT thread again, so here's something I want your thoughts on: gay surrogacy. Asmondgold just posted a video about a viral gay adoption story where these two sodomites adopted a kid, and he was begging for his mom, only for these disgusting perverted freaks to mock him.
Do you kiwifarms homosexuals defend this practice? If so, why?
 
Nigga, you're still trying to debate?

Here's my opinion. As long as they're good people, I don't give a fuck about surrogacy.

And Asmongold is a fucking tool and the fact that you're referencing him tells me all I need to know about your bias.
 
Token Faggot said:
Like with a lot of people there is good and bad with every group. There are some horrible gay men. There are some white people I've met that should be stuffed into gas chambers. And yes there definitely some shit tier trans people as seen in the Stinkditch department here. But like you, most of my personal experiences with trans people have been fairly positive they are the kind people trying their best to make it while also being trans, and are pleasant to be around that you've encountered. Just like the rest of LGBT etc its when they make it their whole identity that they become a public nuisance
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Wallace said:
Keep in mind the Bad Toupee Fallacy is at work; if your picture winds up on this site, you were probably very loudly and publicly being an annoying and/or unintentionally funny sperg. Contrary to popular belief, we don't hunt people down. We laugh at what they are doing to themselves in public. For a lot of them, a great deal of their problems would go away if they stopped making fools of themselves on social media.
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I suppose that is the part of it I am not keeping in mind, is it? It is a cognitive blindspot of the spotlight effect that the internet has, where you believe you are seeing all there is. I'm sure there are billions of people of all creeds, great people, that this forum is not talking about, and there are "prime cut" lolcows that will never see the light of day. There is definitely an overrepresentation of the sour parts of life here, but the forum itself and what we are discussing is a subset of a subset of people, in a subset of the internet in a subset of our culture.
(Although, while I believe the vast majority here do follow the logic, it does seem like the "fools of themselves" bar for some users of this forum do equate to "identifying as trans while using the internet," but I digress.)
LongTallTexan said:
I'm allowed to post in the LGBT thread again, so here's something I want your thoughts on: gay surrogacy. Asmondgold just posted a video about a viral gay adoption story where these two sodomites adopted a kid, and he was begging for his mom, only for these disgusting perverted freaks to mock him.
Do you kiwifarms homosexuals defend this practice? If so, why?
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I question the legitimacy of this claim. In the first clip which you are discussing, the baby is (allegedly) 23 weeks old (approximately 5 months), and by that point a baby will only be barely vocalizing. I struggle to imagine that the baby will be knowingly calling for its original mother in such a cogent, "clippable" way when it has barely reached the babbling stage.

What I do question, however, is the choice of the original poster to post the video while having that interpretation. If you believe that it is calling out for its surrogate mother, for what reason would you post that video, laughing at your child in perceived distress? (Other than for attention, I suppose...)
I would criticize any parent for posting such a strange type of video of their child.
 
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Theodore H. said:
I question the legitimacy of this claim. In the first clip which you are discussing, the baby is (allegedly) 23 weeks old (approximately 5 months), and by that point a baby will only be barely vocalizing. I struggle to imagine that the baby will be knowingly calling for its original mother in such a cogent, "clippable" way when it has barely reached the babbling stage.
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Pretty much, yeah. I really doubt the baby heard the word "mama" at some point before being adopted, somehow internalized it's meaning as 'the woman who have birth and nursed me,' understood that the gay was asking a question about parents, and then consciously referred to his prior knowledge and answered with a preference for his mom. I do believe that babies would have some sort of internal mechanism that makes them want their mom, even when they're with their adoptive or surrogate parents (even if they were adopted by another woman,) but this is definitely not a manifestation of that.

Theodore H. said:
What I do question, however, is the choice of the original poster to post the video while having that interpretation. If you believe that it is calling out for its surrogate mother, for what reason would you post that video, laughing at your child in perceived distress? (Other than for attention, I suppose...)
I would criticize any parent for posting such a strange type of video of their child.
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Yeah, even though I know the baby is just making noises, the fact that the guys were recording and laughing at what they believed to be the baby asking for his mom was really uncomfortable. If I was in their shoes and was fully on board with their interpretation, hearing that would be extremely distressing for me. If I adopted a baby and I thought he was asking for/missing his actual mom, that'd break my heart. The last thing I'd do is laugh about it and record it. (Though, I think it's weird in general for people to photograph and record their kids for any purposes other than keeping them in an album or showing close friends.)
 
I'm more concerned about drug addict abusive parents fucking their children up more than some gay men paying to have a baby from a surrogate.

synthetic_glazer said:
Pretty much, yeah. I really doubt the baby heard the word "mama" at some point before being adopted,
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How would a surrogate baby have any connection to the birth mother when a surrogate gives up the baby at birth? Unless they allowed the mother to hang around the baby, but usually the relationship is done as soon as the baby is born.

So already this makes no sense.
 
LongTallTexan said:
I'm allowed to post in the LGBT thread again, so here's something I want your thoughts on: gay surrogacy. Asmondgold just posted a video about a viral gay adoption story where these two sodomites adopted a kid, and he was begging for his mom, only for these disgusting perverted freaks to mock him.
Do you kiwifarms homosexuals defend this practice? If so, why?
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Surrogacy I'm not wild about. Adoption is OK as long as they are good parents, and generally they will be fa far better than the biological parents would have been. Where I live there have been a lot of horrific cases of children being beaten and killed by their biological parents (usually gang members) often while the parents have been high on meth.

That said if what Asmondgold said is true, these two are not good parents
 
Token Faggot said:
Surrogacy I'm not wild about. Adoption is OK as long as they are good parents, and generally they will be fa far better than the biological parents would have been. Where I live there have been a lot of horrific cases of children being beaten and killed by their biological parents (usually gang members) often while the parents have been high on meth.

That said if what Asmondgold said is true, these two are not good parents
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Yes, they're not good parents, but what bugs me about this is the intention of this post. OP doesn't want us to debate, he posted this in a dishonest way like "see, these fags are shit parents so you all would be shit parents."

As he did the last time. Let's be real here. It's all dishonest.
 
Token Faggot said:
Surrogacy I'm not wild about.
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It's always felt pretty gross to me, an obvious taking advantage of some woman to have your "own" child then taking it away from her when she carried the damn thing for nine months, when there are plenty out there with no prospects for a good life already living.

What's the solution? Cut out the women and go full Battletech. That's right I'm talking iron wombs, I'm talking creches, I'm talking bloodnames. Can't have a problem with being stolen from your mother when you never had one to begin with.
 
I have no comments on surrogacy

I made patissiere cream and i'm eating it straight out of the pan though
 
If a woman wants to carry a baby for anyone who can't have kids, infertile or gay, that's their choice. I know it's a very controversial thing now, but some women agree to do it because they want to help out.

....Or because they get good money doing it.
 
General Patton said:
If a woman wants to carry a baby for anyone who can't have kids, infertile or gay, that's their choice. I know it's a very controversial thing now, but some women agree to do it because they want to help out.

....Or because they get good money doing it.
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You could say the same thing about prostitution or pornography, which most people can agree is exploitative despite paying well and theoretically being of their own will.
 
Theodore H. said:
A refusal to play the "pronoun game," genuine or not, will feel "trollish" as a deliberate act of non-support, and people are going to react in a got trolled way.
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But that is the crux of the matter. Why is naming the 50-year-old ogre hon a man (also known as the truth) even being viewed as trolling in the first place? I don't do it to epically pwn them, but simply for stating the truth that, no stalker child, you cannot become a women at the current point in time. Enjoy being called a man. I won't lie to the person or myself just to accommodate feelings. That wouldn't be a problem on its own in a vacuum but my country has made it a fineable offense if I were to reveal the actual gender or deadname of a troon. Forcing you to lie under the threat of punishment is dystopian bullshit.
Theodore H. said:
(They probably weren't going to associate themselves with you anyway, right? Are there trans people in your life that have tried to... claw you back to them, or something of the sort?)
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Case in point, without going TMI: A family member of mine is a troon and now I always have to do this stupid malicious compliance song and dance where I avoid using the troon name or pronouns when talking to/about that person with others.
 
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