Liberty Safe Confirms They Gave Feds Access Code to Gun Safe During Raid on January 6 Protester - Liberty Safe have universal codes to their safes

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-caved-gave-fbi-access-code-january-6-n2163468

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/SKRYJ

Liberty Safe, "America's #1 heavy-duty home and gun safe manufacturer," according to their website, issued a statement late Tuesday night confirming that they'd given the FBI an access code to a customer's gun safe in response to a request on August 30, 2023. That request came during a raid on the home of a man who'd attended a protest on January 6.

The statement reads:

On August 30, 2023, Liberty Safe was contacted by the FBI requesting the access code to the safe of an individual for whom they had a warrant to search their property. Our company protocol is to provide access codes to law enforcement if a warrant grants them access to a property. After receiving the request, we received proof of the valid warrant, and only then did we provide them with an access code. Liberty Safe had no knowledge of any of the details surrounding the investigation at the time.
Liberty Safe is devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers and has repeatedly denied requests for access codes without a warrant in the past. We do not give out combinations without proper legal documentation being provided by authorities.
We regularly update our policies to ensure both compliance with federal and state law and reasonable consumer privacy protections within the law. First and foremost, Liberty Safe is committed to preserving our customers’ rights, and we will remain unwavering in those values.

The incident they're referring to is the arrest of Nathan Hughes in Arkansas on August 30, 2023, after an FBI raid related to Hughes' attendance at the January 6 protests. On Monday evening the Hodgetwins tweeted out Hughes' story, including that "the feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too."

The full tweet shares more disturbing information, including that the FBI turned off his security cameras and held his girlfriend at gunpoint and put her in handcuffs.

Last week, a friend of ours was raided by the feds over J6, his name is Nathan Hughes and he’s from Fayetteville, Arkansas. Nate was raided by the FBI and arrested at gun point. His girlfriend (who just had a miscarriage) was held at gun point and put in handcuffs. The FBI turned off his security cameras, unplugged his internet, and flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. All for protesting at the Capitol over 2 1/2 years ago.
He is being charged with crimes related to January 6th. He didn’t assault anyone and he didn’t vandalize anything. He is being labeled a domestic terrorist and a traitor to his country by woke leftists and the media.
Nate is just like us…he’s an outspoken American Patriot…he loves freedom, loves his country, and would do anything to preserve our rights. He’s been fighting to save our country for years now.
He’s also a small business owner with a family that relies on him.
We all know how heated this political climate is getting, but they’ve pushed too far and it’s time for people to speak up for people getting screwed by the system. BLM and Antifa can go burn down our cities and get off the hook, but Trump supporters get raided and rounded up for protesting.
Nate’s legal bills to fight these charges will be over $100,000, so we’re donating $5,000 to Nathan’s defense fund to start it out, and hope you can donate something too. Link in next tweet.

Obviously, that tweet set off a flurry of social media activity and speculation about Liberty Safe, leading to the company's acknowledgement that they had given the FBI "the access code" to Nathan Hughes' gun safe. While it could be tempting to at least give them credit for coming clean, they were simply trying to get slightly ahead of the s**t storm - once court filings related to the raid and search are made public, they'll clearly show that the feds made contact with Liberty and were given the/an access code. It's not really clear whether this is an access code only for that safe or is some kind of universal backdoor access that all Liberty safes have.

Regardless, the assertion that they are committed to protecting the personal property and 2nd Amendment rights of their customers and preserving their rights is a joke. Even if there's a valid warrant for law enforcement to search the premises, if there was no backdoor access available the feds would have had to find another way into Hughes' safe and perhaps he would have had the opportunity to have his attorney challenge the search warrant. It's not up to Liberty to decide whether or not a warrant being served on one of their customers is valid. If they're so committed to their customers' privacy and protecting their fundamental rights, they could at least go through the motions of having their own legal team fight requests for access. Even better, they can ensure that there's no backdoor access available, period.

 

[Corpun]

Apparently there's some sort of legal defense fund setup for this guy that's up to $20k last I checked. I imagine that's going to get a lot of eyes on those donors.

Unless it gets screwed over the way those Canadian truckers did. I don't put anything past how vindictive and hostile the Feds have gotten in the last couple years.

 

[Ghostse]

At this point I am glad I was no where close to DC that day, because I feel like the feds will soon be coming for anyone who might have been remotely close to the area looking for people to prosecute.

They're running out of Germans who were alive in WWII to prosecute, so I guess time to find a new popualtion.

Unless it gets screwed over the way those Canadian truckers did. I don't put anything past how vindictive and hostile the Feds have gotten in the last couple years.

If it wasn't so sad it'd be funny to see the Feds losing their spaghetti about Jan 6 retards.
The powers that be are legit fucking scared of some guy in body paint and a buffalo headress because it wasn't controlled opposition.
Founding fathers spinning even faster in their graves.

Meanwhile, Black Lies Matter shitting on the capital mall for weeks, burning shit and calling for violence - nothing happens.

Literal murderer and kiddlers getting less time.

 

[Meat Target]

They're running out of Germans who were alive in WWII to prosecute, so I guess time to find a new popualtion.


If it wasn't so sad it'd be funny to see the Feds losing their spaghetti about Jan 6 retards.
The powers that be are legit fucking scared of some guy in body paint and a buffalo headress because it wasn't controlled opposition.
Founding fathers spinning even faster in their graves.

Meanwhile, Black Lies Matter shitting on the capital mall for weeks, burning shit and calling for violence - nothing happens.

Literal murderer and kiddlers getting less time.

FBI agents were photographed kneeling before Burn Loot Murder rioters. Proves whose violence is sanctioned.

Did J6 give them a Reichstag Fire to round up dissidents? Yes.

Was it worth it to see congresscritters cowering under their desks and fleeing with plastic bags on their heads? Fuck yeah, it was.

Those bastards being reminded that they are not gods or royalty will never not be funny to me. Even if the Feds put a gun in my face and demand I say it isn't.

 

[Kheapathic]

The idea of an electronic safe lock having a backdoor seems like common sense. The same kinds of boomer who are throwing a fit over this are the ones forgetting their passwords.

With that said, most commercial safes won't stop determined and skilled thieves, it might just take them longer to break in. Your $1000 liberty safe you bought at bass pro certainly won't stop the feds regardless of whether or not the company lets them in.

One thing I think all people should be aware of, is how many electronic devices have "hidden" modes or processes built into them. Sure 99.999% of people will go up to something and use it normally, but when it comes to maintenance/servicing/updates/etc, things have hidden menus and shit that almost anyone could access if they knew the secret. Some of these devices like ATMs usually require a maintenance card on top of knowing the secret code (the outside lock is also different from the money box locks), but a number of them don't. Electronic safes generally have a physical bypass and/or a master/override code, and while it's often possible to change the master, you don't always know what else the vendor has put in there; and if there is anything else that you don't know about, it's not unique to your devices serial number, it'll be a mass produced object that's probably tied to the make/model of your device at best, or it'll just be a universal they never stopped using.

What are the odds that this backdoor password would likely unlock a large number, if not all of the safes made by this company?

Absolutely fucking retarded and they deserve to go out of business.

You want to know something cool about fleet vehicles like police cars or city buses; they're almost all keyed the same, so if you get the key to one, you get the key to any of them. And this isn't just across specific departments, it can be across numerous departments as Ford and other vendors have explicit contracts for these vehicles and there's only so many variations you can cut a key in. Electronic safes almost always have a physical bypass and/or an electronic override/master code; and these things are generally secure enough (unless you become the target of some Hollywood style gang of international thieves), at least until enough professional thieves and angry ex-workers go out into the wild and spill the tea on how to get past shit.

Not a lawyer, but from what I understand, warrants generally need to specify entry into things like safes. If the FBI had that kind of warrant, Liberty could get some easement, but if they simply handed it over with something like a phone call, then yeah, burn.

 

[Sexy Peach Emoji]

You want to know something cool about fleet vehicles like police cars or city buses; they're almost all keyed the same, so if you get the key to one, you get the key to any of them.

CAT construction equipment almost entirely uses the same key.

 

[kcbbq]

Never buy a safe with an electric lock.

I know that's probably easier said than done these days, but it's something that was drilled into my head by all my criminal relatives.

If you want good security always look for the words "glass relocker" or "glass plate relocker".

Make anyone who wants to get in EARN it. Just don't slam the door hard.

For bonus points go to Sparrows and order the challenge vault. Go through the process of learning to open it. It's got an OK safe lock in it once the training wheels are removed and going through the process teaches you a lot about what good tumblers would feel like.

CAT construction equipment almost entirely uses the same key.

Or a screwdriver once it's got some hours on it. Skidloaders are worse, the list of things that won't start a bobcat is pretty short, and other companies aren't really any better.

 

[Big moth tiddies]

A company like Apple is much bigger than Liberty Safes, and has the means to contest such things.

I'm not defending Liberty Safes's cowardice, but I doubt they're willing to catch an obstruction charge or get shut down to protect a customer. Most companies are gonna do what is expedient for themselves.

Nah, get outta here with that. Liberty Safes is not a small mom and pop company barely getting by. They show more than 65 million in revenuem, and you think we're supposed to believe they had their hands tied? As if they don't already have a lawyers on retainer twiddling their thumbs?

Fuck that. Should have told them to contact a locksmith at the very least. Besides, corporations like this don't get hit with obstruction and they're not gonna get shut down over something like this.

I'd be a bit more forgiving if all their marketing wasn't just 2nd amendment blowjobs on twitter. It's shitty to cuck out like a limp noodle, much shittier to do so after boasting to everyone how much they give a shit about your privacy and the like.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Nah, get outta here with that. Liberty Safes is not a small mom and pop company barely getting by. They show more than 65 million in revenuem, and you think we're supposed to believe they had their hands tied? As if they don't already have a lawyers on retainer twiddling their thumbs?

Fuck that. Should have told them to contact a locksmith at the very least. Besides, corporations like this don't get hit with obstruction and they're not gonna get shut down over something like this.

I'd be a bit more forgiving if all their marketing wasn't just 2nd amendment blowjobs on twitter. It's shitty to cuck out like a limp noodle, much shittier to do so after boasting to everyone how much they give a shit about your privacy and the like.

Reminds me of Black Rifle coffee: they thumped their chests hard about how much they love America, the second amendment, etc. and they were the first ones to cuck out. I think anyone or any business that talks up how much they love freedom just means they’ll also be the first ones to throw you under the bus to cover their asses. In fact, any business that uses boomerbait words like freedom, liberty, etc. are just shysters.

 

[PhoBingas]

I didn't think electronic safes were capable of having backdoors without an internet connection. Is it as simple as an RFID device? Seems like it's defeats the purpose of locking in the first place.

I hate the Internet of Things.

If its not wired to a network, I'm guessing there's some sort of master open code you can punch in. Surprised nobody's leaked those codes anywhere if they do exist. I'm not that tech savvy though so I'm just guessing.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I'd be a bit more forgiving if all their marketing wasn't just 2nd amendment blowjobs on twitter.

this in particular
not just twitter, they're very MURRICA GUNS for their marketing

 

[LeChampion1992]

The fact that liberty safes gave the feds the code for their safe isn't surprising. This is a natural progression of the law and warrants were issued.

The shocking thing is that you're still seeing people being hunted for January 6th and being treated as traitor's. The government is not going to forgive or forget the masses who humiliated our Congress. They want to be seen as all powerful tyrants.

We're entering in dangerous territory and people on both sides don't realize it because they wanna own the chuds or libs. January 6th protesters should be given pardons for time served. Instead were jailing them til death and ruining their sympathizers because the "good guys™" gotta stop the evil trump, Russian transphobic Nazis.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I am not againt Liberty Safe for having complied with the warrant, what I do resent is having a fucking universal code.

I am 100% sure that their terms of service do not mention that "if law enforcement has a warrant we'll roll over for them and sell you out". The whole idea behind firearms ownership is a safeguard against tyranny, whether actively screwing you over or not doing their jobs, and if they'll bend the knee no questions asked when the FBI comes knocking, it kind of defeats the purpose.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

We need Null to make a safe. He puts up much more of a fight than these faggots did.

(The safe will open to “nigger”)

 

[Snekposter]

Koch Brothers propaganda, playing on Boomer nostalgia for Reagan, and Tea-Party-Lite bashing of all government action as "socialism" (which did nothing but alienate conservatives from government).

Lolbergs are a psyop. Believe me, I used to be one.

What really sucks is that the leftists have shamelessly glomped onto that false dichotomy. If you say you dislike big government around them they'll all immediately start ranting about how you suck corporate cock, and no amount of "I hate big everything" in response will ever get them to shut up because they're too high on dopamine and farts with a corporate-loving Republican to rant at and about.

That said, to be marginally on-topic, fuck Liberty for being cunts.

 

[potato in mah painus]

There is certainly a vocal minority on the right that are flat out boot-lickers. Lots of 'they had a warrant, what's the problem' crap. I don't know how these guys can witness current events or history and realize that it's mostly the police force that comes after political enemies. It's rarely ever the military.

This is probably the weirdest internal contradiction of the right. Sometimes you'll see the right protest law enforcement a bit more when a Democrat is president, like that really matters.

The right likes its local PD, ask the majority of them if they like Feds you mostly get in minecraft responses.

 

[Ghostse]

I think we can all agree:

1) Bare minimum, regardless of the text of the warrant, Liberty should have made the FBI call in a certified locksmith. Even if they provided the locksmith with the master code, they shouldn't have rolled over, wagged their tails, and urinated the second the Fibbs rang them up.
2) If the warrant didn't explicitly cover gun safes, or at least "secure areas that might contain fire arms" Liberty is a bunch of faggots who should hang. If it did cover that, they are still faggots.

Reminds me of Black Rifle coffee:

Yeah fuck those beta cucks in particular.

For bonus points go to Sparrows and order the challenge vault.

That looks pretty tits. A decent lock in a good form factor for practice or fiddling around. I know what I'm getting for Christmas.

 

[White Devil]

like police cars or city buses; they're almost all keyed the same, so if you get the key to one, you get the key to any of them. And this isn't just across specific departments, it can be across numerous departments as Ford and other vendors have explicit contracts for these vehicles and there's only so many variations you can cut a key in.

Almost every cruiser I've driven has had a hidden dead man switch because of this.

Of course some agencies put them in the same braindead place.

 

[cybertoaster]

Hoisted by his own stupidity...

Corpos are not your friends, the right will never get anywhere unless they realize this

Neocons will never understand this, the vast majority would drop the maga thing immediately if corpos would stop putting gays and minorities on their ads and changed back to white people with the odd minority in the background, same with practically everything else they only care about appearances.

What does conservatism "conserves" anymore?

Having a few in every room will make returning fire for your 6am fbi wake up call easier.

Is that how you died John?

BTW I'm still trying to uninstall your shitty AV...

 

[mlanguishi]

Oh, it all makes sense now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1699612950196330924

Liberty Safe was sold to Monomoy Capital Partners in 2021, a liberal East Coast investment firm. I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats like: Raphael Warnock in GA John Fetterman in PA Mandela Barnes in WI Mark Kelly in AZ

ETA:

They have a link to remove your factory code records. My problem with this is how do you really know if they did it and does requesting this put you on a list of 'paranoid right wingers' to be watched even more?

https://www.libertysafe.com/pages/combination-removal

I supposed this is a bit better than nothing, and it indicates there probably aren't master code back doors across tons of locks. Horse is out the barn at this point though.

And this is very bad that going forward that'll need a subpoena. I guess before policy was hand over anything to the cops when just asked.

 

[AnotherPleb]

If it was just a general search warrant and they gave the FBI the code and there by let them search something they wouldn't have been allowed to search otherwise, fuck these guys.

Dollars to donuts it was general.

January 6th protesters should be given pardons for time served. Instead were jailing them til death and ruining their sympathizers because the "good guys™" gotta stop the evil trump, Russian transphobic Nazis.

They can't be released because they're radicalized now. They are getting a worse treatment than the gitmo guys did.