Liberty Safe Confirms They Gave Feds Access Code to Gun Safe During Raid on January 6 Protester - Liberty Safe have universal codes to their safes

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-caved-gave-fbi-access-code-january-6-n2163468

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/SKRYJ

Liberty Safe, "America's #1 heavy-duty home and gun safe manufacturer," according to their website, issued a statement late Tuesday night confirming that they'd given the FBI an access code to a customer's gun safe in response to a request on August 30, 2023. That request came during a raid on the home of a man who'd attended a protest on January 6.

The statement reads:

On August 30, 2023, Liberty Safe was contacted by the FBI requesting the access code to the safe of an individual for whom they had a warrant to search their property. Our company protocol is to provide access codes to law enforcement if a warrant grants them access to a property. After receiving the request, we received proof of the valid warrant, and only then did we provide them with an access code. Liberty Safe had no knowledge of any of the details surrounding the investigation at the time.
Liberty Safe is devoted to protecting the personal property and 2nd amendment rights of our customers and has repeatedly denied requests for access codes without a warrant in the past. We do not give out combinations without proper legal documentation being provided by authorities.
We regularly update our policies to ensure both compliance with federal and state law and reasonable consumer privacy protections within the law. First and foremost, Liberty Safe is committed to preserving our customers’ rights, and we will remain unwavering in those values.

The incident they're referring to is the arrest of Nathan Hughes in Arkansas on August 30, 2023, after an FBI raid related to Hughes' attendance at the January 6 protests. On Monday evening the Hodgetwins tweeted out Hughes' story, including that "the feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too."

The full tweet shares more disturbing information, including that the FBI turned off his security cameras and held his girlfriend at gunpoint and put her in handcuffs.

Last week, a friend of ours was raided by the feds over J6, his name is Nathan Hughes and he’s from Fayetteville, Arkansas. Nate was raided by the FBI and arrested at gun point. His girlfriend (who just had a miscarriage) was held at gun point and put in handcuffs. The FBI turned off his security cameras, unplugged his internet, and flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. All for protesting at the Capitol over 2 1/2 years ago.
He is being charged with crimes related to January 6th. He didn’t assault anyone and he didn’t vandalize anything. He is being labeled a domestic terrorist and a traitor to his country by woke leftists and the media.
Nate is just like us…he’s an outspoken American Patriot…he loves freedom, loves his country, and would do anything to preserve our rights. He’s been fighting to save our country for years now.
He’s also a small business owner with a family that relies on him.
We all know how heated this political climate is getting, but they’ve pushed too far and it’s time for people to speak up for people getting screwed by the system. BLM and Antifa can go burn down our cities and get off the hook, but Trump supporters get raided and rounded up for protesting.
Nate’s legal bills to fight these charges will be over $100,000, so we’re donating $5,000 to Nathan’s defense fund to start it out, and hope you can donate something too. Link in next tweet.

Obviously, that tweet set off a flurry of social media activity and speculation about Liberty Safe, leading to the company's acknowledgement that they had given the FBI "the access code" to Nathan Hughes' gun safe. While it could be tempting to at least give them credit for coming clean, they were simply trying to get slightly ahead of the s**t storm - once court filings related to the raid and search are made public, they'll clearly show that the feds made contact with Liberty and were given the/an access code. It's not really clear whether this is an access code only for that safe or is some kind of universal backdoor access that all Liberty safes have.

Regardless, the assertion that they are committed to protecting the personal property and 2nd Amendment rights of their customers and preserving their rights is a joke. Even if there's a valid warrant for law enforcement to search the premises, if there was no backdoor access available the feds would have had to find another way into Hughes' safe and perhaps he would have had the opportunity to have his attorney challenge the search warrant. It's not up to Liberty to decide whether or not a warrant being served on one of their customers is valid. If they're so committed to their customers' privacy and protecting their fundamental rights, they could at least go through the motions of having their own legal team fight requests for access. Even better, they can ensure that there's no backdoor access available, period.

 

[Ghostse]

ETA:

They have a link to remove your factory code records. My problem with this is how do you really know if they did it and does requesting this put you on a list of 'paranoid right wingers' to be watched even more?

https://www.libertysafe.com/pages/combination-removal

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I supposed this is a bit better than nothing, and it indicates there probably aren't master code back doors across tons of locks. Horse is out the barn at this point though.

And this is very bad that going forward that'll need a subpoena. I guess before policy was hand over anything to the cops when just asked.
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Whoever is on the damage control team needs a raise and a promotion. This is about as good of damage control as you're going to get.
They cover why they have the codes, reiterate its industry standard and the high number of cases they see. For the current triggering issue they are not taking responsibility, but they are not blaming customers and giving them what they are or shortly will be screaming for.

There's some weasel words that make me wonder how effective this is. I.e. Customers who opt out will have "Limited recourse" - that to me sounds like 'you need to call a professional who will have the master codes.

tl;dr:
Don't be a cuck, don't get an eletronic lock

 

[LeChampion1992]

Dollars to donuts it was general.

They can't be released because they're radicalized now. They are getting a worse treatment than the gitmo guys did.

You know what I hope the people who come after them actually start killing feds.
(Please don't, look I wouldn't piss on their gums if they were bleeding. But you understand guys.)

 

[Big moth tiddies]

They have a link to remove your factory code records. My problem with this is how do you really know if they did it and does requesting this put you on a list of 'paranoid right wingers' to be watched even more?

Yeeeaaaaah. I would imagine those requests are gonna "accidentally" get lost somewhere along the way.

The real shitty thing is as this post shows, they were in fact, not willing to fold on an access code to save a little girl's life.

Save a young girl's life? No.
Voluntarily comply with a meaningless warrant, which isn't a court order? Yes.

 

[kcbbq]

That looks pretty tits. A decent lock in a good form factor for practice or fiddling around. I know what I'm getting for Christmas.

Even on the highest difficulty it's going to be a bit easier than a real, high quality lock, but by the time you outgrow it you can get "real" locks on eBay or wherever or get other cutaway locks (mbusa.com is a common source recommendation) and make a simple wooden frame to hold them. I can't think of anything else that gives you a nice progression without modifying a lock which no beginner is going to understand without help, anyway.

If you're clumsy like me and will never be precise enough to move on the Sparrows is plenty. I'm more curious how they work and what makes it so you can decode the combination, anyway.

The real shitty thing is as this post shows, they were in fact, not willing to fold on an access code to save a little girl's life.

On a safe that no one had even purchased yet that the simplest way to secure after they opened it was to change the combination and update the instruction sheet after they got her out. This one is a real WTF incident.

 

[Jean ValJean]

the car would be the hardest one now, but you can buy old used vehicles.

After Cash for Clunkers, that's getting a lot harder to do.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

We need Null to make a safe. He puts up much more of a fight than these faggots did.

(The safe will open to “nigger”)

I'm pretty sure Null said on MATI a few months back wrt Graf/Poa.st that he's going to comply fully anytime US law enforcement contacts him and requests that he turn over user data on KF. And that it would be asinine to pretend otherwise.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I'm pretty sure Null said on MATI a few months back wrt Graf/Poa.st that he's going to comply fully anytime US law enforcement contacts him and requests that he turn over user data on KF. And that it would be asinine to pretend otherwise.

And it's why Null has designed his website to have the bare minimum of user data available to function, recommends his users never give him any more, and deletes logs as soon as reasonably possible.

A NullSafe™ wouldn't have a backdoor for Null.

 

[Kheapathic]

I'm pretty sure Null said on MATI a few months back wrt Graf/Poa.st that he's going to comply fully anytime US law enforcement contacts him and requests that he turn over user data on KF. And that it would be asinine to pretend otherwise.

The feds have the authority to seize shit, they just need to get some paperwork stamped; which is the bare minimum that should've happened here. Feds say they have a non-specific warrant and instead of cutting the safe open, they ask the vendor. The vendor has the legal stance to say "This search warrant has nothing to do with me. We're a safe company, it'd be unethical to just hand a code out because someone asked, and yes this include the US Government." At which points the feds should get paperwork that compels Liberty Safe to give them the code. Ideally, this would be the same thing that happened if the feds sent Null paperwork saying "That retard SIGSEV is fed posting again, we need his info." Null could tell the feds to fuck off, but if he did, they could get the paper to go into the datacenter and rip his hardware from the racks. Null understands this, which is why he records as little as possible, so if/when they do ask, he doesn't have much to give them.

 

[Ghostse]

Dollars to donuts it was general.

I'd actually argue the other way, I'm pretty sure the safe was covered and might have been addressed explicitly by name.

Firstly, the Fibbs are not going to risk evidence getting tossed because they fucked up their warrant. They are less cops and more bureaucrats, so not doing their paperwork perfectly correct is a huge failing. Given who they're dealing with, it could be readily assumed he's going to have a lot of guns and a secure area to store them in, so you're going to write the warrant to cover that.

Second, between most people being terminally online oversharing tards and the Feds having access to his financials, they probably knew he owned a gun safe, the brands, and probably where it was in his house. Given what the Feds know, its entirely possible they might have gotten into records of the store that sold him the safe and already had the serial number.

 

[kcbbq]

After Cash for Clunkers, that's getting a lot harder to do.

Cars qualifying for collector's plates are going to go up in value like pre-ban firearms.

 

[frozen_runner]

the car would be the hardest one now, but you can buy old used vehicles.

I predict America will have a car culture like fucking Cuba within two decades. Nobody is going to want glued-together, Windows-run cars law enforcement (or anyone else with the backdoor) can shut down remotely because your social credit score is too low.

 

[Gottahavemysips]

I am not againt Liberty Safe for having complied with the warrant, what I do resent is having a fucking universal code.

They didn't even comply with the warrant, which was for a private citizen, they literally just gave up the universal code when asked. Sure, if the FBI compelled Liberty via another warrant that's one thing, but they just handed it over. You are right though, it's ridiculous that this existed in the first place, and the fact that they so readily complied shows that this functionality was meant for cops in the first place, not "helping out customers who forgot their code" or whatever the cope is.

 

[East_Clintwood]

My problem with this is how do you really know if they did it and does requesting this put you on a list of 'paranoid right wingers' to be watched even more?

My problem is even if they actually do delete all records of the code it still exists. The code had to be generated somehow which means even if the record no longer exists there's always the chance it can be recreated if someone figures out the generation method.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

Not even that, their primary purpose is to make money. Just look at all the dumbasses who thought Fox News/Tucker were "on their side".

Nobody had an issue with companies when they were focused on making money. The whole issue today is that making money is not their priority, most of these companies are doing shit that directly alienates their customer base and pisses away their profits, all to push some idiotic social/political agenda held by their HR department staff.

 

[mlanguishi]

My problem is even if they actually do delete all records of the code it still exists. The code had to be generated somehow which means even if the record no longer exists there's always the chance it can be recreated if someone figures out the generation method.

Not only that, but it's the same as any IT data storage thing They'd just put a tag on it saying 'deleted=true' or something. And then there's the backups for disaster recovery stored all over the place. That's why criminal records, banking, or anything is never truly destroyed. They get tagged removed and even if they somehow actually deleted, there's endless backups of it and they sure aren't going through those to delete it all.

Reminds me of all the pedos saying they were deleting their incriminating tweets after Elon started going after them.. Idiots.

 

[jertzog]

Hope these shitty grifters go bankrupt.
Isn't there any kind of open-source electronic lock system a techie could whip up? How hard can it be to engage, disengage, obfuscate your code all to hell? Getting the physical safe itself should be the hard part.

 

[Sexy Peach Emoji]

Firstly, the Fibbs are not going to risk evidence getting tossed because they fucked up their warrant. They are less cops and more bureaucrats, so not doing their paperwork perfectly correct is a huge failing

Federal bureaucrats still routinely fuck up their paperwork.

 

[Ghostse]

Federal bureaucrats still routinely fuck up their paperwork.

Those aren't unintentional mistakes.

 

[Sexy Peach Emoji]

Those aren't unintentional mistakes.

Overstepping the bounds of their warrent can be unintentional too.

 

[Ghostse]

Overstepping the bounds of their warrent can be unintentional too.

That would a quick path to getting anythign found tossed and makes the judge look askance at anything else found during the search
I.e. You fucked up and opened a box you weren't supposed to violating the 4th ammendment, I'm going to believe the defense when they say anything else you found was in areas not covered by the warrant.

You get a particularly angsty judge and they'll toss the entire search, valid or not.