Linus Gabriel Sebastian & Linus Media Group / Linus Tech Tips - Narcissistic corporate shill YouTuber driving his media empire into the ground. KILL COUNT: 2

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

What? How so? They've saved me a number of times.

It's a more basic version, if a system relevant file/registry gets changed it (hopefully) keeps a backup of that and can roll it back.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

What? How so? They've saved me a number of times.

As far as I know, the windows restore points are just hard snapshots of some core windows guts and system config, while the Resilient File System stuff they've developed is more actively capable of fixing and restoring corrupted or fucked data regardless of whether its being specially targeted by something like restore points, and doesn't really care whether its OS core or user data when it comes to protecting it. I've not really played with it so I can't say I know much about how close it works to that in the real world.

 

[Slav Power]

the chink

Now now, we don't use that word when talking about Dennis, give him some respect for being the only remotely funny person on the team.

As far as I know, the windows restore points are just hard snapshots of some core windows guts and system config, while the Resilient File System stuff they've developed is more actively capable of fixing and restoring corrupted or fucked data regardless of whether its being specially targeted by something like restore points, and doesn't really care whether its OS core or user data when it comes to protecting it. I've not really played with it so I can't say I know much about how close it works to that in the real world.

Perhaps @snov is misunderstanding what Windows restore points are meant to do. It's a component of Windows that makes a copy of system critical components, so if you install, let's say a Windows update that fucks up your OS, you can boot into safety mode and restore your OS to the point before it got fucked up.

They were never meant to help you with corrupted data on all of your hard drives, that's not the scope of that system component.

 

[Susanna]

I know what Windows Restore Points are, I'm not that much of an Apple fangirl. I'm just pointing out they're not snapshots, a feature enabled by modern copy-on-write filesystems. In an old-fashioned filesystem like NTFS, when you edit a file the edited blocks are overwritten by the new blocks. In a copy-on-write filesystem, a new block is written elsewhere on the disk, and the old block is delisted from the database of files. Snapshots are clones of the old database that don't get edited, meaning you can easily "roll back" by simply loading the older version of the database instead of the new one. Thus literally restoring the state of your file system to what it was like when you took the snapshot.
If I break my Windows install, Restore Points may be able to bring it back to working again, by copying old system files over the old ones like a barbarian. If I break my Linux, snapshots will 100% guaranteed get my system running again, because the old files were never broken to begin with.

Yes, ReFS is CoW and does support snapshots. From what I can tell it's genuinely a good file system. It's appalling that Microsoft still stick with NTFS. Even the versions of Windows that do support ReFS don't allow you to install to ReFS, which is asinine.

 

[Slav Power]

I know what Windows Restore Points are, I'm not that much of an Apple fangirl. I'm just pointing out they're not snapshots, a feature enabled by modern copy-on-write filesystems. In an old-fashioned filesystem like NTFS, when you edit a file the edited blocks are overwritten by the new blocks. In a copy-on-write filesystem, a new block is written elsewhere on the disk, and the old block is delisted from the database of files. Snapshots are clones of the old database that don't get edited, meaning you can easily "roll back" by simply loading the older version of the database instead of the new one. Thus literally restoring the state of your file system to what it was like when you took the snapshot.
If I break my Windows install, Restore Points may be able to bring it back to working again, by copying old system files over the old ones like a barbarian. If I break my Linux, snapshots will 100% guaranteed get my system running again, because the old files were never broken to begin with.

Yes, ReFS is CoW and does support snapshots. From what I can tell it's genuinely a good file system. It's appalling that Microsoft still stick with NTFS. Even the versions of Windows that do support ReFS don't allow you to install to ReFS, which is asinine.

Okay, and how much of a difference does it make in unfucking a consumer grade OS for a regular home user? All the benefits of ReFS you're describing are beneficial for the entirety of the data on all of your hard drives, but the scope of restore points is to just have a "OS unfuck" button, it's not meant to save your document you keep on drive C from bit rot.

You're thinking way out of the scope of this specific component on Windows that's meant to help you when you fuck just your Windows install, which is in this discussion because AtlasOS removes it as it thinks it's bloat.

 

[Kees H]

It's funny to see the differences between LTT and other tech channels when actual shit is happening. Right now there's an issue with AM5 boards/ chips failing atm. GN gathers parts for testing, visits AMD and other partners for more info to figure things out.

LTT makes....more dumb videos.

I will say, GN should spend less time talking about how "we got it figured out guys, stay tuned for the video!" and actually post some quick bullet points for now so people can mitigate any potential issues sooner rather than later. Then watch the video later for a complete deep dive into it.

No one at LTT has a actual clue about anything more complicated than sticking generic parts together or reinstalling Windows. You can see it in all the other dumb stuff they do, their server stuff just makes me cringe irl. They don't really have anything to say about the AM5 CPU's and motherboards blowing up as they don't have a clue how any of it works beyond just sticking the CPU on the board with some RAM and running dumb benchmarks.

 

[Susanna]

Okay, and how much of a difference does it make in unfucking a consumer grade OS for a regular home user? All the benefits of ReFS you're describing are beneficial for the entirety of the data on all of your hard drives, but the scope of restore points is to just have a "OS unfuck" button, it's not meant to save your document you keep on drive C from bit rot.

You're thinking way out of the scope of this specific component on Windows that's meant to help you when you fuck just your Windows install, which is in this discussion because AtlasOS removes it as it thinks it's bloat.

That’s what you’d use datasets/subvolumes for. Modern file systems can abstract themselves into subpartitions with their own rules. You only need snapshots of the operating system from each update, and maybe you only want to keep two weeks worth of snapshots from the user’s home directory. I don’t doubt Microsoft have engineers clever enough to understand the need for this.

 

[Spiral Architect]

the new video where they got the chink to do the ad read got me in the feelz

I can't believe i'm saying this, but it really is kinda funny.

 

[Miller]

Right now there's an issue with AM5 boards/ chips failing atm. GN gathers parts for testing, visits AMD and other partners for more info to figure things out.

LTT makes....more dumb videos.

AMD is the recent sponsor of their expensive builds series for the staff members. Linus won't bite the hand that feeds him.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Just going through the Wan Show this weekend it's mentioned early on, they immediately push to it being a mobo issue and "man mobos used to be the real issue back in the day, maybe we're back to that" and then they moved to making fun of OCZ, the cheap memory that was a crapshoot with quality.

 

[guiltyspark85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSOF8RFrihM&t=4536s

Archived clip:

On the latest WAN show Linus responds to the criticism of the AtlasOS video. While he does admit there are a lot of problems with AtlasOS, he states the assumption was he was "speaking to his audience" and that more occasional viewers might not be "advanced users" and that was a "little irresponsible". Linus is massively overestimating the competency of "his audience" and saying it was "a little irresponsible" is really downplaying things.

There's this post on the LTT subreddit where a viewer has installed AtlasOS and can't find his mums files.

https://old.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/12y149q/atlasos_erases_your_data_doesnt_it/ (Archive)

Comments in the thread suggest checking the OneDrive folder in the user folder. In the registry OneDrive changes the default path to Documents to point to sub-folders in the OneDrive folder. This seems like good advice and the OneDrive uninstall procedure has just pointed Documents back to the default path, right?

I had a cursory look at the AtlasOS source on GitHub to see what it does to remove OneDrive: https://github.com/Atlas-OS/Atlas/blob/main/src/Executables/ONED.cmd#L16 (Archive)

Reading above code on Github, AtlasOS just rips out OneDrive using its own uninstall procedure by deleting OneDrive files, removing registry entries and deleting the OneDrive folder in every user folder (line 16) without copying/moving the Documents to their default folder. So this would explain why the Reddit poster can't find his mums files.

Even if AtlasOS used the normal OneDrive uninstaller and deleted the OneDrive folder afterwards, it would have not have saved the Reddit posters mums files. I recently re-installed Windows and one of the first things I did was uninstall OneDrive, but noticed afterwards that Documents was still pointing to folder in the OneDrive sub-folder.

So his "a little irresponsible" comment would be more accurate as "extremely reckless". Given its behaviour, I think labelling AtlasOS as malware would be accurate.

 

[Pee Cola]

Restore Points may be able to bring it back to working again, by copying old system files over the old ones like a barbarian. If I break my Linux, snapshots will 100% guaranteed get my system running again, because the old files were never broken to begin with.

Yes, ReFS is CoW and does support snapshots. From what I can tell it's genuinely a good file system. It's appalling that Microsoft still stick with NTFS. Even the versions of Windows that do support ReFS don't allow you to install to ReFS, which is asinine.

System Restore might be a blunt instrument, but it works. Ditto NTFS.

If Microsoft tried bringing NTFS and/or System Restore into the 21st Century, you just know that it'll be fucked up by the street shitters and diversity hires MS has working for them these days.

 

[teriyakiburns]

If Microsoft tried bringing NTFS and/or System Restore into the 21st Century, you just know that it'll be fucked up by the street shitters and diversity hires MS has working for them these days.

This is hardly new, though. Longhorn, which eventually became Vista, was going to completely replace ntfs with an entirely new file system that would have provided all of the features mentioned in the last few pages. They just couldn't get it working. Much of their talent had either left, or was drowning under layers of bureaucracy by that point, so they ended up with a bunch of incremental changes to a server 2003 base and a bunch of wrappers around poorly-documented, legacy code.

 

[Slav Power]

GN dropped the video about exploding Ryzens.

They've pissed away a good chunk of money for the sake of figuring out what the fuck is going on with this case so that consumers are actually informed about their purchase.

Though GN's focus is on that, actual tech journalism, and they are more than willing to piss away every single possible sponsorship from the big brands as long as it means that they do proper unbiased reporting. Plus, they actually have a vetting system for channel sponsors instead of getting anyone who pays the most without thinking. That's the biggest difference between LTT and GN, and that's why LTT will never be GN no matter how they try.

 

[74164978231]

GN dropped the video about exploding Ryzens.

They've pissed away a good chunk of money for the sake of figuring out what the fuck is going on with this case so that consumers are actually informed about their purchase.

Though GN's focus is on that, actual tech journalism, and they are more than willing to piss away every single possible sponsorship from the big brands as long as it means that they do proper unbiased reporting. Plus, they actually have a vetting system for channel sponsors instead of getting anyone who pays the most without thinking. That's the biggest difference between LTT and GN, and that's why LTT will never be GN no matter how they try.

What kind of retarded faggot prefers that kind of serious, genuinely informative content over watching the latest shill video of globohomo product_9312?

 

[Soggy paper straw]

While he does admit there are a lot of problems with AtlasOS, he states the assumption was he was "speaking to his audience" and that more occasional viewers might not be "advanced users" and that was a "little irresponsible". Linus is massively overestimating the competency of "his audience" and saying it was "a little irresponsible" is really downplaying things.

Does anyone believe that he is not aware of what his audience is? Youtube gives him a breakdown of the age of his viewers. I am sure there are many 12 year olds that are such advanced users.
Maybe there is 20% of older, more advance users that watches most of his videos; but if the majority of views comes from "occasional viewers" that watch just few videos at random, then that is your audience

 

[Miller]

On the latest WAN show Linus responds to the criticism of the AtlasOS video. While he does admit there are a lot of problems with AtlasOS, he states the assumption was he was "speaking to his audience" and that more occasional viewers might not be "advanced users" and that was a "little irresponsible". Linus is massively overestimating the competency of "his audience" and saying it was "a little irresponsible" is really downplaying things.

Linus and AtlasOS used the same argument.

 

[Chief Nigwelfacheqee]

Man, Linus really got the ugly sister.

 

[Soggy paper straw]

Man, Linus really got the ugly sister.

Make-up, my dude

Tbh I don't think either is ugly, but I also really don't care

 

[Druveer]

She's prettier than her sister but her voice could warp paint off of the walls.