🐱 Listen Up…Why the ‘Dark Knight’ trilogy really is painfully average

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To say that Christopher Nolan’s 2008 superhero movie The Dark Knight is a bad movie is to commit internet sacrilege, and for good reason too, as whilst the film isn’t without its faults, it helped to legitimise superhero movies as a serious form of cinematic storytelling. On balance, The Dark Knight is a great film, though unfortunately, it just so happens to be sandwiched in between two rather mediocre blockbuster flicks.

Having never helmed a major big-budget release, director Christopher Nolan came to the DC superhero character in 2005 with a distinct vision as to where he wanted to take the Batman character. Inspired by Frank Miller’s comicBatman: Year One, Nolan’s new, gothic take on Batman was a world away from the strange comic-book style of the previous director Joel Schumacher, with Batman Begins focusing on the brooding anger of the titular character and the grit and grime of the city itself.

Played by Christian Bale, Nolan creates a troubled and brooding character who long mourns the loss of his parents, with the actor showing a new take on the character that was gobbled up by audiences at the time of the film’s release in 2005. Feeling fresh and revolutionary at the time against the backdrop of Sam Raimi’s fun Spider-Man films and the exuberant X-Men, with the benefit of hindsight, Batman Begins feels just as cartoony as each of the aforementioned films it was supposedly ‘bettering’.

Donning a dated rubber suit for its titular Batman and doing little to showcase a revolutionary narrative at its centre, Batman Begins isn’t the saviour of superhero films that it was once remembered as. With only Cillian Murphy’s terrific Scarecrow to save it from all irrelevance, the first film in Christopher Nolan’s trilogy is often given the benefit of the doubt for sparking the trilogy, though actually offers very little when it comes to originality or innovation.

Three years later and The Dark Knight would set the world of commercial cinema alight, building off the first film in the trilogy well in realising that the strongest aspect of what makes the story great is the villain that stands in Batman’s way. Putting on one of the greatest performances in modern blockbuster cinema, the late Heath Ledgerchanged the way that the Joker is perceived by creating a menacing individual who challenged Batman with maniacal psychological games.

Though The Dark Knight is certainly more than its powerful antagonist, there’s no doubt that Ledger’s Joker and his relationship with Batman ties the film together, even if the basic story itself once again lacks any sort of intricacy.

It’s all rounded off with the final, and worst, film in the trilogy, the confused Dark Knight Rises that tries to once again create an iconic leading villain, only to create a forgettable, muffled muscle-man. Narratively confused and stuffed with too many characters, Christopher Nolan’s final film helps the trilogy go out with a whimper, with Tom Hardy’s villain Bane unable to invigorate the film with any sort of rousing energy despite a few thrilling scenes.

Thus ends one of the most average film trilogies of all of time, punctuated by several great performances that lead limp narratives to their anticlimactic conclusion. The problem with the Dark Knight trilogy isn’t that it’s a particularly bad collection of films, it’s that they feel, hollow, empty and entirely pointless, with Christian Bale’s smug and nonsensical ‘cheers’ at the end of The Dark Knight Rises capping off a bombastic superhero trilogy with more noise than sense.
 
They were still better than Eternals, Captain Marvel, season 8 of Game of Thrones, Star Trek Discovery, most of the recent Star Wars movies, that last Matrix disaster, both of the Wonder Woman movies, Ghostbusters 2016-- I'm just naming these off the top of my head; I'm not even looking at a list of crap films here.
 
Batman Begins is a little rough around the edges in its pacing and Tom Cruise's ex-sex slave delivers an unconvincing and pedestrian performance as the love interest

The Dark Knight deserves all the praise it gets and it isn't responsible for the reaction to it of everyone trying to copy that's just silly seethe. But Maggie Uglyface and Aaron Eckhart aren't memorable or really useful to any aspect of the movie and they're the ones that carry the movie's big thunk ideas which are handled in a ham fisted way. The pacing is by far the best of the three and the tension rises perfectly to the climax. Which is unfortunately a bit anticlimactic considering everything leading up to it

TDKR also has big pacing problems in between Bane breaking Batman's back and Batman's return to Gotham. The big thunk ideas are handled in an even more ham fisted way than TDK. The characters other than Batman, Gordon, and Bane are paper-thin. Joseph Gordon-Levitt has no point and his screen time should have been given to more Roland Daggett

Bane was awesome tho fite me
 
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Bane was awesome tho fite me

Tom Hardy's bizarre ass vocal delivery in that movie is its most entertaining part, like who the fuck told him to talk like that, what kind of person talks like that even in a capeshit movie, there have been a lot of different voiced representations of Bane across the Batman canon and none of them come even close to being that hysterically weird. it sounds like Charlie Day's character from It's Always Sunny trying to do Shakespearean acting
 
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top of the capeshit pile? sure, but one of the best movies ever made? you need to watch more classics of the medium my friend

if you want a capeshit movie that can actually compete with prestige cinema... Logan :shit-eating:

also: Joker (2019)
Logan and Joker are the only capeshit films I can think of that compete with kino classics. Maybe the '89 Batman/Raimi Spidey 2 to a lesser extent too?

I love the genre, but I hate how soys have taken it over.

on second thought, I'd probably rate the first 2 Sam Raimi Spidey films up there with '89 Batman and the first two Nolan Batman films. Maybe toss in the first Christopher Reeves Superman onto the list as well. Deadpool would be right below this list.

Solid films, enjoyable experiences, but the majority of superhero films have the issue where you know it's all a marketed merchandise machine first and foremost.

if non-superhero comic book based films count, then I'd add 300 and Sin City to the list of fun movies.
 
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Tom Hardy's bizarre ass vocal delivery in that movie is its most entertaining part, like who the fuck told him to talk like that, what kind of person talks like that even in a capeshit movie, there have been a lot of different voiced representations of Bane across the Batman canon and none of them come even close to being that hysterically weird. it sounds like Charlie Day's character from It's Always Sunny trying to do Shakespearean acting
Yeah when he's talking normally or being arrogant it works but any time he tries to be dramatic it goes straight to :story: territory.

Like the speech on the steps of City Hall or at the football stadium oh my gawwwwwwwwd unintentional comedy kino
 
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Tom Hardy's bizarre ass vocal delivery in that movie is its most entertaining part, like who the fuck told him to talk like that, what kind of person talks like that even in a capeshit movie, there have been a lot of different voiced representations of Bane across the Batman canon and none of them come even close to being that hysterically weird. it sounds like Charlie Day's character from It's Always Sunny trying to do Shakespearean acting
I forget the individual's name, but Tom Hardy "apparently" based his performance for Bane off of a real person.
 
They're good movies (with, as I interpret it, a lot of strangely prescient stuff to say about extremism, surveillance, anarchists, and the like that I've detailed elsewhere).

Two things I'll say that stand out are Gary Oldman as Gordon and My Cocaine as Alfred. They're great actors in general and Oldman in particular, that's Jim Gordon. He nails it.

But if I want a Batman movie just to watch, I got with 89 and Returns, or even Forever (it's not great, but it's a good movie movie). Or may I recommend Under the Red Hood?
 
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The trilogy is not great and the one with the Joker is still good but has its issues. The reason it's not remember as average is because it did something most capeshit movies fail to do and actually made a darker and more serious set of movies using superheroes that actually worked. Which sounds easy but compared to what came out after it shows that it's harder than it sounds to pull off.
 
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Boring, overhyped, downright bad. In that order. Ledger's shitty Joker managed to be somehow even more offputting than Bale's laryngitis-sounding Batman, but TDK is still the least terrible.
 
Ledger joker had two moments that felt uniquely "Joker" with the disappearing pencil and the hospital nurse outfit. Everything else he did felt much less like a Joker scheme and more like something more befitting of Black Mask. The cult-like following, the mafia ties, even burning the pile of money felt like it would be a neat twist on the Black Mask basically burning all the money he inherited when young.
 
Gonna earn them rainbows and puzzle pieces with this one:

The Dark Knight Triology was actually better in many respects than most of the Marvel shit.


There's very few movies that exist, that have been out as long as this triology, that everyone hasn't had ample time to poke holes in. Additionally points about a certain actor's portayal, themes, messages, etc. tend to be more hit or miss based on the audience. However, we can look at somethings more objectively than others.

As much as people sperg out about how good the Marvel movies are, does any conflict have the same kinetic oomf that the first time Batman fights bane does? I mean they've got 10,000 fucking obnoxious sarcastic quips, and 20,000 obnoxious jump cuts because fuck coreography, but when was the last time any of their scenes actually made you feel like there was any danger for any of the characters? Bane demolishes Batman, and while the rest of the story around it might not be as good depending on who you ask, you can't really argue the effectiveness of watching a hero get destroyed while the camera isn't trying to induce an epileptic seizure.


Since I mentioned the stories, while they have rightfully gotten some criticism in these threads, I feel compared to a lot of shit, it ain't really that bad. I know what Ras Al Ghul wants. I know what Bane wants. I know what Joker's attempting to show Batman. How in the fuck does the main villain of the first Spiderman with Tom Holland's character make any sense? He was a regular salvager who had Tony Stark be rude to him one time so he makes the logical conclusion to just be like "fuck it bro, lets be terriorsts." and does exactly that.

Gotham in the Dark Knight Triology actually seemed like a fairly believable city. Despite all the media and SJW orgasms about how great Wakanda is, why don't we call this society what it is: A Nigger ruled kingdom, that despite having amazing technology actively ignored issues like slavery, ebola, AIDS, brutal civil wars and genocides, allowed European Colonization of everywhere except Etheopia. How are these people in their society that's structure makes zero sense ever seriously portrayed as good people? 'Cause Nigger Lives Matter? Bruh if Wakanda was this bastion of African Society, we'd have saved 4 Billion dollars in insurance claims in 2019.

I get they've probably been overhyped, but all three movies are good in their own way, and they're certainly better than most anything that comes out now, while we chill out and wait for our one actually good movie each year inbetween a thousand remakes, reboots, spin-offs, unwanted sequels, and Disney's continued campaing to rot our culture.
 
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Batman Beings I never cared for

The Dark Knight was fantastic on release but its legacy ruined so many movies that it almost wasn't worth it. As a standalone film its still good

TDKR was too big (for you) for its own good and disappointing.
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Honestly TDKR would have been better served with an infinity war endgame split, the second half still would have been disappointing (like endgame) but we would have had a year with a not disrespected bane.
I provide this experience for myself by stopping watching when bruce escapes the pit.
 
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Batman Returns is the best Batman movie and best Christmas movie too.

Two things I'll say that stand out are Gary Oldman as Gordon and My Cocaine as Alfred. They're great actors in general and Oldman in particular, that's Jim Gordon. He nails it.
That's cheating. Gary Oldman is great in anything.
 
I don't give a shit what this insufferable faggot who unironically thinks George Lazenby and Daniel Craig are the best James Bonds are, less because I think the Christopher Nolan Batman movies are some masterclass of cinema (they aren't), but because by the standards of current day Hollywood, they're fucking god tier. Almost none of the capeshit released in the last five years in theatres is worthy of holding the Nolan Trilogy's Bat-Jockstrap, and considering those movies ranged from basically all right to stupid as hell but worth every meme they spawned, I'll take what I can get.
 
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