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What's everyone's thoughts on the Nobuhiro Watsuki case? (the Rorouni Kenshin guy)
As I understand it Watsuki acquired the objectionable material at a time when it was considered legal in Japan because the age of consent was lower, and then Japanese law changed, raising the age of consent, and he was caught with it sometime after.
Mine are that he's a pedo, and him not handing over his material after the deadline the goverment set was him refusing to comply with the law, which rightfully got him arrested
What's everyone's thoughts on the Nobuhiro Watsuki case? (the Rorouni Kenshin guy)
As I understand it Watsuki acquired the objectionable material at a time when it was considered legal in Japan because the age of consent was lower, and then Japanese law changed, raising the age of consent, and he was caught with it sometime after.
Legally? Should had discarded said material after became illegal
Morally? Should be hanged. Any leeway he could had ended after his own country outlawed the material
Its like if you outlaw slavery but after 30 year or so someone is caught with slaves in their basement, even if himself dosent think its bad they should at least follow the law still funny to me that he only got caught because the police was after ANOTHER report but he had his collection in the studio where they had a search warrant
Do we know whether or not he was aware he still had it? Has he ever claimed to have forgotten he had it as an explanation for why he didnt destroy it or hand it over at the deadline? If so does that actually matter?
Also does this have an impact on Rorouni Kenshin for you? Should it have an impact? Are you able to separate art from artist like with Chinatown and Roman Polanski?
Speaking for myself, if he genuinely was unaware he still had that material then I am willing to show more mercy toward him. I find it hard to condemn a man for something he didn't know he was doing. However if he knew then I would fully agree he is culpable. As for the art/artist separation I support it. Chinatown is a good movie after all, and the fact that the guy who directed it is scum shouldn't stop someone from enjoying a good movie.
Do we know whether or not he was aware he still had it? Has he ever claimed to have forgotten he had it as an explanation for why he didnt destroy it or hand it over at the deadline? If so does that actually matter?
He had over 100 different movies with child pornography on them when he got arrested, and admitted to being sexually attracted to girls in their early teens. But we'll probably never know the exact details, the japs value their privacy, even of criminals, very seriously, and I don't think that they would release this to the public.
As for the art/artist separation I support it. Chinatown is a good movie after all, and the fact that the guy who directed it is scum shouldn't stop someone from enjoying a good movie.
The thing is that Watsuki is still active in the manga industry. He's still working on Kenshin and he's still getting money and fame from it, Polanski isn't. If Polanski released a movie tomorrow, I wouldn't buy a ticket for it even if it were the greatest and most outstanding work of cinema in history, and if Polanski got royalties for every copy of Chinatown sold, then I wouldn't buy it
He had over 100 different movies with child pornography on them when he got arrested, and admitted to being sexually attracted to girls in their early teens.
Yea I didn't know he had that much, there's no way to forget about all that. EDIT: I can now see how its still possible to forget about that depending on how its stored, but it does sound excessive, though I have multiple TBs of pirated media and that fits into a small box...
The thing is that Watsuki is still active in the manga industry. He's still working on Kenshin and he's still getting money and fame from it, Polanski isn't. If Polanski released a movie tomorrow, I wouldn't buy a ticket for it even if it were the greatest and most outstanding work of cinema in history, and if Polanski got royalties for every copy of Chinatown sold, then I wouldn't buy it
From what I remember the news only stated that he admitted to have the offending material and it was in his office/workplace, I dont recall if they said all of them was in the office or if he handed over whatever he had left in his home after.
For me not personally, would be a different case if his used the material as inspiration but I dont remember any of his works having any type of erotic undertones involving minors or loli characters.
So my guess is that he got couple of soft core porn in his mid 20s and either forgot that had with him or didnt bothered to destroy, I can see as possibility him forgetting about some old box of junk in his attic or hiding his precious collection as possible outcomes.
Either he forgot about it or was hiding dosent change the fact that the law has changed and he failed to keep up to date. I believe the fact he got fined rather than arrested is a indicative that whatever he had was from before the production ban
I do find it hard to fault him for being attracted to girls that were considered legal when he was growing up and forming those sexual attractions. Am I being too kind?
I think its a fair point to consider the local norm and age of consent. For me regardless of my country having age of cosnent at 14( thanks brazil) I would still think its weird to have any big age cap when one side is under the age
Edit: Just as reference, 100 CD/DVD it is alot but physically dosent take a lot of space, unless they are stored in individual boxes
When I was 28 (and still lapsed in faith) I hooked up with an 18 year old, and in hindsight felt weird about it because of the age gap even though she was legal.
She was also a dumbass so maybe I'd have felt less weird if there was less of an intellect gap.
In general they'll consider it to have value. It's not legally safe for you engage in that kind of thing, but unless you have other stuff going on or it's egregious you can expect to get away with it. It's up to you if you think that's a good thing or not.
He was 47 when he made those declarations, and also specified that he was attracted to girls from late elementary until junior high (basically from 10 to 14 years of age), and Tokyo (which is where he was born and lived) has had it AoC at 16 since a long time ago. And also the fact that he's married. I'd say that he's a pedo throught and throught who knew what he was doing
He was 47 when he made those declarations, and also specified that he was attracted to girls from late elementary until junior high (basically from 10 to 14 years of age), and Tokyo (which is where he was born and lived) has had it AoC at 16 since a long time ago. And also the fact that he's married. I'd say that he's a pedo throught and throught who knew what he was doing
This is the short answer for the USA and will do fine for most.
The long answer is refer to case law, not the law as written. The law as written (yes, even the PROTECT act, which passed after, remember it has conform to the former decision's limitations regardless of the printed words) is technically defunct because of case law, and while other reasons make the content legally tenuous (more on that in a second), on its own, in a vacuum, lolicon/shotacon is legal.
Now...remember "legally tenuous"? Well, it's time to explore "How this clusterfuck works in the real world":
1) They're going to charge loli/shota as CP as per the PROTECT act if you have actual no shit CP on your computer too, and appeals courts will uphold this. Shockingly this is basically 100% of convictions and appeals losses for loli and shota in the USA, and it's directly related to the pile of actual CP found next to the loli/shota in question. Remember: always check the factual background of these cases to avoid embarrassment.
2) Don't give the feds an excuse to put your hard drive's contents in front of a jury if there's loli on it, even if your entire existance and worldly possessions lack any actual CP, because today's episode of Degenerate Street is brought to you by the letter "O", as in "Obscenity"!
Remember that strictly speaking anything can be charged as obscenity, the only real limitation is the size of the balls on the prosecutor as inversely related to the size of their brain, since they can easily make a fool of themselves with the wrong jury so they don't tend to use obscenity unless they're pretty damn sure about their chances.
Obscenity is the primary avenue through which you will get boinked for lolicon or shotacon, or any other fictional or supposedly fictional content involving sexual activity with children. Remember that fucker in Texas that got boinked for hosting graphic text stories (and some drawings) of the rape of children? Well, that got charged as obscenity too because they couldn't boink him on CP proper. For Obscenity, it's up to a jury to determine using the Miller Test. The sole conviction I am aware of for lolicon material only was due to someone ordering questionable content from Japan via the USPS which put him in the sights of the feds for some reason, and he took a plea because (reading between the lines) his lawyers basically concluded they weren't sure they could find a jury that would determine the content wasn't obscene so the best course of action for their client was to plea out. That said, the judge kiboshed the idea that the PROTECT act allowed any of the content he was being charged with to bypass the Miller Test (which is the intent of the PROTECT act, to avoid Miller-ing content which isn't unambiguous CP), but let the obscenity charges stand...hence the plea deal the accused took.
Now, before anyone gets cute and talks about the Dean case which the wikipedia summary suggests that the judge's rule regarding the PROTECT act in Handley might not hold water, allow me to draw your attention to the factual background of the Dean case...
I. BACKGROUND Dean sexually abused his stepdaughter from the time she was age eleven until she was age twenty-seven, and he recorded 245 episodes of abuse on video. Dean produced at least fifty-eight of these recordings while the victim was a minor. The recordings show Dean digitally penetrating her vagina and engaging in oralvaginal contact with her while she was asleep at age eleven. The victim became conscious of the abuse at age thirteen, when Dean began to ask her to undress in front of him. The abuse progressed to the point that, before the victim had reached eighteen years of age, Dean had instructed his own minor daughters to record videos of the victim naked, performed oral and vaginal sex on her, and invited another adult male to engage in sexual intercourse with her. In some of the videos of the victim as a minor, Dean beat her to the point that she cried and begged him to stop.
The abuse continued at great physical and psychological cost to the victim for several years. The victim required three rectal surgeries to correct damage that Dean caused by penetrating her anus. All the while, Dean coerced her into complying and remaining silent by threatening to kill or leave her mother and by reminding her that no one had believed her stepsister when she had reported sexual abuse. In May of 2007, Dean called the victim once again and threatened to kill her mother and her husband if she did not come to his barbershop, where he tied her to the wall with ropes and violently penetrated her vagina with a bottle. It was after this incident that the victim reported Dean to the police, who arrested Dean and confiscated the recordings that form the basis for convicting him for the production and possession of child pornography under 18 U.S.C. §§ 1466A(a)(2) and 2252A(a)(5)(B), respectively.
Dean pled guilty to both charges, but at sentencing he objected to consecutive sentences, arguing that the possession count was a lesser included offense of the production count. The district court instructed him to raise this objection in a motion for new trial. In filing this motion, Dean also argued for the first time that 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(2) violates the First Amendment because it is facially overbroad.[2] The district court denied the motion, and Dean has appealed to this Court arguing that the statute is overbroad on its face in violation of the First Amendment and that his sentence is substantively unreasonable.
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So yeah, an actual child pornographer who sexually abused his stepdaughter for over a decade and recorded it. The appeals court will never entertain the arguments made in cases like this.
tl;dr lolicon is legal in the USA...until it ends up in front of a jury, at which point it's as exactly legal as the skill of your lawyers and more importantly, your jury selection research team.
I wouldn't even give a fuck about lolifaggots if they didn't try to constantly drag everyone else into it. Like you go into a thread on /v/, but apparently there is some pedophile dogwhistle you missed in the OP so now half the images are little anime girls with seductive facial expressions, and it's not like a chibi or western cartoon character where the age can be ambiguous it just looks like as close to a real life 3 year old as you can get in that artstyle to the point where it's revolting even if they are fully dressed. And then there will be people writing shit about how little girls need an older man in their life to guide them or some other wretched shit like that where it's so over the top that they can claim it's irony even though they actually believe it. Like of all the sexual fetishes this is the one where if you have it you should be hiding it from the general public the most, but they do the exact opposite.
I wouldn't even give a fuck about lolifaggots if they didn't try to constantly drag everyone else into it. Like you go into a thread on /v/, but apparently there is some pedophile dogwhistle you missed in the OP so now half the images are little anime girls with seductive facial expressions, and it's not like a chibi or western cartoon character where the age can be ambiguous it just looks like as close to a real life 3 year old as you can get in that artstyle to the point where it's revolting even if they are fully dressed. And then there will be people writing shit about how little girls need an older man in their life to guide them or some other wretched shit like that where it's so over the top that they can claim it's irony even though they actually believe it. Like of all the sexual fetishes this is the one where if you have it you should be hiding it from the general public the most, but they do the exact opposite.
They got molested and they just want to hurt children the same way a scorpion will sting things, they just do it through sexual abuse. It's just their nature, that's all.
People think that killing the pedophiles will stop pedos from appearing in the future but I think they are very wrong because I think many are sadists in general and find the harm of a child to be a general thrill and that mixes in with their sexuality, so they aren't necessarily attracted to kids but more get off to the trauma they inflict. There have been many cases of pedos murdering children like the Dunblane shooting and Sandy Hook shooting. Don't get me wrong killing pedophiles isn't a bad thing at all and will definitely be an advantage for society but evidently more sadists will be born in the next generation if child abuse still exists. The best thing to do is to stop all child abuse and judge people who abuse kids physically and emotionally as we judge pedophiles as they are just as sick and their actions will result in either a traumatized innocent or birth a sadist. Also we shouldn't allow them to make bullshit excuses like "I was in a bad marriage." or "It was the 90s that was ancient history so we couldn't have known better" or "My Dad hit and fucked me so that's why I did it to you so therefore we are both victims." we need to actually put our foot down on child abuse eventaly and clean up society once and for all.
