Science ‘Long COVID’ doesn’t exist as we know it, according to new research

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Long COVID is indistinguishable from other post-viral syndromes and the term should be ditched, say researchers who found similar rates of long-term impairment between people who caught COVID-19 and those who were sick from other respiratory illnesses.

Patients who had been diagnosed with the syndrome are outraged by the researchers’ call to retire the phrase, while other experts have said they were unable to understand how such a conclusion was drawn.
The research, led by Queensland’s chief health officer Dr John Gerrard, followed about 2400 people who caught COVID-19 and about 2700 people with other respiratory infections, including influenza.

A year after infection, 3 per cent of people who were COVID-positive reported moderate to severe impairment (that is long COVID). Among the people who had caught the flu or another respiratory illness, it was 4.1 per cent.

The researchers concluded there was no evidence that a COVID-19 infection made impairment more likely. Gerrard said long COVID appeared to be a severe and distinct disease simply because of the huge number of infections during the pandemic.
“We believe it is time to stop using terms like ‘long COVID’,” Gerrard said. “They wrongly imply there is something unique and exceptional about longer-term symptoms associated with this virus.


“This terminology can cause unnecessary fear, and in some cases, hypervigilance to longer symptoms that can impede recovery.”
The research will be presented at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases in April, but it hasn’t been published in a peer-reviewed journal. An earlier iteration of the study, in which the researchers reported the status of participants 12 weeks after infection, was published in BMJ Public Health last year, however.


In the BMJ study, Gerrard and his research colleagues found similar rates of ongoing symptoms between those infected with COVID and the flu, and concluded “long COVID may manifest as a post-viral syndrome of no greater severity than seasonal influenza”.
The research was limited by the fact participants who were with pre-existing illnesses weren’t identified, and it focused on a highly vaccinated population contending with Omicron, a variant less likely to inflict long COVID than the ancestral strain.


Dr Steven Faux, co-lead of the long COVID clinic at St Vincent’s Hospital in Sydney, said observational studies should not guide public policy and he “couldn’t explain” how researchers came to the conclusion to ditch the long COVID term.
“Their comparison was between people who got COVID, of which 95 per cent are vaccinated, versus people who had the flu, of which 40 per cent are vaccinated. The vaccine is likely to decrease your risk of long or persistent symptoms.

“So you’re comparing apples with oranges.”
Faux said COVID-19 has long-term effects on almost every organ system, “including the loss of smell, taste and hair, which we don’t see in many other viral illnesses”.
Former chief health officer of Victoria Dr Brett Sutton, who now steers health and biosecurity research at the CSIRO, described the new findings as robust but said it should be up to people with long COVID to decide how their condition is described.


“I think there’s a necessity to make sure that they feel seen and heard and understood as a cohort who continue to suffer,” Sutton said.

“We need some kind of descriptor to be able to recognise them and the fact that they’ve got specific needs within the health system.”
Long COVID has forced Sydney resident Stephenie Watts to hospital twice and fundamentally rearranged her life. Watts was outraged by the suggestion long COVID should be folded in to other post-viral illnesses.
“I felt really frustrated by the fact they’re saying [the phrase] causes unnecessary fear and is ‘probably harmful’ because it really undermines the seriousness of the long COVID,” Watts said.


“Long COVID really does describe what happens to oneself. It was triggered by COVID and you have this long tail of ensuing illness.”

Watts has suffered through more than three years of brain inflammation, chronic pain and vascular impacts from long COVID.
“I can’t walk more than 30 metres without stopping. I can no longer go to the shops because I can’t walk the distance in the shops. I can’t work because of the migraines and I can’t drive,” she said.
“My whole identity has really been washed away from this.”
Watts also cited recent research in The Lancet that found COVID increased the risk of 64 diseases and other negative health impacts 18 months after infection. The seasonal flu was associated only with six.


Jeremy Nicholson, professor of medicine at Murdoch University, said without lab analysis of the patients in Gerrard’s study or knowing for sure that long COVID is not physiologically different to other post-viral syndromes, the evidence to dismiss it as distinct condition is not there.

“Until this is resolved, we should still use the long COVID term because it pinpoints exactly the underlying viral cause for a given individual,” which may be relevant to future treatments, Nicholson said.

Professor Paul Fisher, from La Trobe University, is working to find signatures in the gut, immune system and blood cells to determine if there are any biological differences between long COVID and myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS).
“We’ve done some work on blood cells, and we’ve looked at thousands of differences between ME/CFS and healthy controls. And we’ve done the same with a small number of long COVID patients,” Fisher said. “They are really similar, if not identical.”

The government announced $50 million in research funding into long COVID last year after an inquiry into the illness.

Fisher will travel to Canberra later this month with Emerge Australia, the lead organisation for people with ME/CFS, to discuss recommendation 8 of the long COVID inquiry, which pushed for more ME/CFS research funding.
Sutton said research into ME/CFS could benefit our understanding of long COVID, and vice versa.
“It’s an unfortunate silver lining that out of the COVID pandemic, there’s a deeper understanding that post-viral syndromes are probably more common than we think, and can be very debilitating.”

Last year a study estimated one in 10 people could end up with long COVID and the condition costs the nation at least $5.7 billion a year.
 
Also seems to effect people with anxiety problems. Anxiety disorders do more than just make you a jittery mess, they also make your immune system weaker. Depression, even mild depression, does the same thing. Both disorders can develop as a result of stressful events like, oh I don't know, a pandemic.
Yeah, depression is weird. I had an Ego Death experience once, and my core body temperature dropped like a stone; I was getting chills for weeks afterward like it was a viral symptom, but there wasn't a virus. It's like the brain just told the body to give up. I wouldn't doubt if my immune system was shot during that time too.
 
long covid is likely just a combination of kids being retarded due to losing 3 years of development, normies losing it by having to live a NEET life for a bit, the vax, and probably the effects of what most people did which was wearing the same brown stained single use surgical mask every single day for months to years
 
There's no such thing as long covid. 100% of long covid cases fall into one of two categories:
  1. the medical consequences of being on a ventilator, or
  2. histrionic women who contract a mild case of covid and then years later still imagine every sore throat or sniffle they get is 'long covid'
No exceptions.
 
This just makes me think of that WaPo games journalist Gene Park. He would complain endlessly about long covid and how it's rendered him incapable of anything, but he had cancer and was getting cancer treatment. It never crossed his mind that the cancer treatment is what made him weak. It had to be covid that did all that to him.
 
Boy, I sure can't wait to see what r/ZeroCovidCommunity thinks about the news. I'm sure their reactions will be absolutely calm and controlled and not at all ranting and raving about how "YOU MUST FOLLOW THE SCIENCE."
 
There's no such thing as long covid. 100% of long covid cases fall into one of two categories:
  1. the medical consequences of being on a ventilator, or
  2. histrionic women who contract a mild case of covid and then years later still imagine every sore throat or sniffle they get is 'long covid'
No exceptions.
There’s a third category which is genuine post viral illness. It’s small, and most of the people claiming long Covid do t have it. There’s also a fourth category which is post vaccination issues.
Post viral illness is a thing. The 1917 flu outbreak was follow by encephalitis lethargic which nobody has ever really explained (some thing it was a different enterovirus and it’s after effects, but it seems to have been a post viral thing.) any virus can fuck some people up. But it’s not common. What is common is that a lot of viruses don’t take a few days to get over, they can take a few weeks. Listing any kind of few weeks as long Covid is stupid - anyone with pneumonia needs several weeks to truly recover and some need months.
Anyway, some people will have post viral issues just like any other virus, but they’re a small minority.
 
Hmm...Long COVID isn't real, masks don't work, social distancing is dead, the plexi barriers have come down, CDC says new standard for staying at home is "YOLO, whatevs, it's just the flu bro!"

How's that New Normal working out for you, Vaxxmaxxers? Remember when we were going to have to live like this the rest of our lives? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
 
Yeah, depression is weird. I had an Ego Death experience once, and my core body temperature dropped like a stone; I was getting chills for weeks afterward like it was a viral symptom, but there wasn't a virus. It's like the brain just told the body to give up. I wouldn't doubt if my immune system was shot during that time too.
Ego Death Experience would be a badass band name.
 
Long COVID is indistinguishable from other post-viral syndromes and the term should be ditched, say researchers who found similar rates of long-term impairment between people who caught COVID-19 and those who were sick from other respiratory illnesses.
So something is happening, but we shouldn't give it a special name.

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Another L for the Branch Covidians, must be a day that ends in -y

I just love that so many faggots keep doing these mental gymnastics to justify their chimping out over a glorified cold. Keep boosting, losers, I love that you are all ruining your genetic template.
 
Boy, I sure can't wait to see what r/ZeroCovidCommunity thinks about the news. I'm sure their reactions will be absolutely calm and controlled and not at all ranting and raving about how "YOU MUST FOLLOW THE SCIENCE."
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by this exact same logic, we should not have taken covid as any kind of threat. these people seriously just have the most intense mental gymnastics possible, and the cope about 'germs' is so obvious. how did they figure out germs existed? they got so used to forcing people to do things with medical professionals so afraid of going against the grain that now they're literally being the exact thing they call every single 'right-winger'... soyence-deniers.

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"i don't have documentation of my long covid or disabilities," usually means no doctors have actually given you any diagnosis for anything, all i see is that you're probably a fatty who needs to lose weight, and your doctors have told you that a lot of your health issues come from being fat.

and then of course the second anyone has the gall to question the soyence, he's bombarded by misrepresented studies relating correlation with causation and intentionally ignoring the fact that even the current studies say 'yeah it'll make you feel like shit for a little while after you have it just like any respiratory virus', even after he's already made it clear that he's read most of these studies in the op, and that they are biased as fuck, and poorly handled.

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it's absurd that they intentionally ignored this shit's problems just to shill it further.

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and now, a list of studies that confirm what we already knew; getting sick with a respiratory illness makes you feel like shit for a long time after as your body recovers, it has nothing to do with covid being a fancy supervirus or something.

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some primo cope about an op ed written by a huge progressive faggot, heather hogan. you may note that hogan isn't a doctor of any kind, she is in fact a journo who works in a place self-described as "a space for lesbians and queer people to be our entire selves." you can bet your bottom dollar that means trannies come first, and if you don't suck the girldick you're a hateful bigoted TERF.


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this next one's my personal favorite
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it really is munchies. they can't STAND that there might not be anything wrong with them other than the fact that they're a bunch of lazy faggots and troons (but i repeat myself)

all in all, some pretty fun crazy people, and a lot of whining about shit that's so easily solved, but it requires effort. i think even one of those dogs that hits the buttons for treats could've predicted this outcome.
 

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