Lookism.net - Sluthate's Even More Autistic Spinoff

[scar_face40]

http://lookism.net/showthread.php?tid=1505

So apparently @scar_face40 believes that a show specifically written by your standard producers and director to have stupid drama happen all the time just to make the show interesting is indicative of real life.

Its all an act by dumb celebrities and using this reality show (hint: all 'reality shows' are staged) to gauge the truthiness of the redpill ideology is mind-numbingly stupid.

Hi again, I'm not stalking your forum, I came to look up the name of a a member and saw that I was tagged a couple of mins ago.

I know it's full of dumb drama, but the 'contestants' aren't exactly told to read off a script in the 'interviews'. From personal experience I honestly reckon it does echo real-life, just more extreme on this programme as you don't exactly see male-model tier guys all the time.

Take my workplace for instance, there is a guy who's started working there that is objectively very good-looking. Golden skin, muscular, perfect bone structure, facial symmetry etc and the girls are all over him. Every time I walk past them chatting it's 'James did this' or 'James spoke to me about this today'. I wrote a thread about it on the lookism forums in more detail, but basically he receives so much positive attention because of his looks, even though he has a rather obnoxious personality.

In regards to Love Island, I also wrote that the men are bad, just in a different way. The man on the show are low-IQ and treat the women like playthings. However, the females think too highly of themselves, as demonstrated from Monday night's programme (if anyone watches it). Unlike many of my fellow forumers, I don't hate women. I hate the way our appearance-obsessed society creates such a rift between physical attractiveness.

Be interested to hear your responses.

 

[Baryon Jones]

They learn how to be slayers by watching Jersey Shore.

Nah, they just watch it to fap to the guys on it.

 

[JU 199]

Be interested to hear your responses.

From personal experience I honestly reckon it does echo real-life, just more extreme on this programme as you don't exactly see male-model tier guys all the time.

It's an engineered fiction. Can't you see basing your theories of a fake TV show is sad?

Take my workplace for instance, there is a guy who's started working there that is objectively very good-looking. Golden skin, muscular, perfect bone structure, facial symmetry etc and the girls are all over him. Every time I walk past them chatting it's 'James did this' or 'James spoke to me about this today'. I wrote a thread about it on the lookism forums in more detail, but basically he receives so much positive attention because of his looks, even though he has a rather obnoxious personality.

So what? Why is that your problem?

In regards to Love Island, I also wrote that the men are bad, just in a different way. The man on the show are low-IQ and treat the women like playthings. However, the females think too highly of themselves, as demonstrated from Monday night's programme (if anyone watches it). Unlike many of my fellow forumers, I don't hate women. I hate the way our appearance-obsessed society creates such a rift between physical attractiveness.

 

[Jashinist]

Hi again, I'm not stalking your forum, I came to look up the name of a a member and saw that I was tagged a couple of mins ago.

I know it's full of dumb drama, but the 'contestants' aren't exactly told to read off a script in the 'interviews'. From personal experience I honestly reckon it does echo real-life, just more extreme on this programme as you don't exactly see male-model tier guys all the time.

Take my workplace for instance, there is a guy who's started working there that is objectively very good-looking. Golden skin, muscular, perfect bone structure, facial symmetry etc and the girls are all over him. Every time I walk past them chatting it's 'James did this' or 'James spoke to me about this today'. I wrote a thread about it on the lookism forums in more detail, but basically he receives so much positive attention because of his looks, even though he has a rather obnoxious personality.

In regards to Love Island, I also wrote that the men are bad, just in a different way. The man on the show are low-IQ and treat the women like playthings. However, the females think too highly of themselves, as demonstrated from Monday night's programme (if anyone watches it). Unlike many of my fellow forumers, I don't hate women. I hate the way our appearance-obsessed society creates such a rift between physical attractiveness.

Be interested to hear your responses.

The issue is that the kind of men and women who would go on this programme is a very specific type of person, and then the theory is meant to imply that it can tell us a great deal about society in general and how men and women act. It's simply a really bad sample. Also editing is a huge thing, there are lots of videos on youtube that can show how a simple conversation can be manipulated by editing to have total different outcomes and still appear natural, etc. Things taken out of context, makes it look like everyone laughs when no-one actually did, etc. "Non-scripted" drama reality shows still have a hell of a lot of manipulation, I personally love Dance Moms and you can see it so clearly when the moms come forward about certain ways they were framed and different sequences of events.

Bear in mind that psychologically, they are "performing" to cameras knowing that people will see everything. That in itself is a huge bias in their behaviour.

 

[Baryon Jones]

I hate the way our appearance-obsessed society creates such a rift between physical attractiveness.

Then why are you obsessing as well? You're part of the problem now!

From personal experience I honestly reckon it does echo real-life, just more extreme on this programme as you don't exactly see male-model tier guys all the time.

I'm pretty sure you need to get more 'personal experience' if that's what you think.

Every time I walk past them chatting it's 'James did this' or 'James spoke to me about this today'.

Maybe James spends more time working and less time obsessing.

Be interested to hear your responses.

Spoiler

 

[ON 190]

Okay, I'll answer this without being a dick since you are being quite civil, which is appreciated.

I know it's full of dumb drama, but the 'contestants' aren't exactly told to read off a script in the 'interviews'.

In regards to Love Island, I also wrote that the men are bad, just in a different way. The man on the show are low-IQ and treat the women like playthings. However, the females think too highly of themselves, as demonstrated from Monday night's programme (if anyone watches it). Unlike many of my fellow forumers, I don't hate women. I hate the way our appearance-obsessed society creates such a rift between physical attractiveness.

These are the points, really. As far as "attractiveness," the producers tend to pick out people that are considered attractive to the audience their show is aimed at. They don't read scripts, true, but producers prod the contestants into starting drama, they edit things to exaggerate personalities, and most of the "boring" stuff is edited out. It's entertainment. That's why it doesn't echo real life... in real life the "ideal" attractiveness is different for every single person and based on more than just looks. It's not a shallow TV show, there aren't any producers, and you're also not picked for your worst qualities to entertain people. Trust me, that's a lot better.

Edit: @Baryon Jones you need to post more Black's Books gifs now.

 

[melty]

Hi again, I'm not stalking your forum, I came to look up the name of a a member and saw that I was tagged a couple of mins ago.

I know it's full of dumb drama, but the 'contestants' aren't exactly told to read off a script in the 'interviews'. From personal experience I honestly reckon it does echo real-life, just more extreme on this programme as you don't exactly see male-model tier guys all the time.

Take my workplace for instance, there is a guy who's started working there that is objectively very good-looking. Golden skin, muscular, perfect bone structure, facial symmetry etc and the girls are all over him. Every time I walk past them chatting it's 'James did this' or 'James spoke to me about this today'. I wrote a thread about it on the lookism forums in more detail, but basically he receives so much positive attention because of his looks, even though he has a rather obnoxious personality.

In regards to Love Island, I also wrote that the men are bad, just in a different way. The man on the show are low-IQ and treat the women like playthings. However, the females think too highly of themselves, as demonstrated from Monday night's programme (if anyone watches it). Unlike many of my fellow forumers, I don't hate women. I hate the way our appearance-obsessed society creates such a rift between physical attractiveness.

Be interested to hear your responses.

Meh, I think you're mostly suffering from confirmation bias. The producers likely picked slutty drama whores on purpose. Though to be fair I don't think you'd be the first incel to take tv too seriously - sometimes when I read these sites its like people don't do anything but watch high schools movies and write about them.
As for James, perhaps you find him annoying but maybe he has some positive qualities you can't see right now? Like he's funny or something? We are all a little biased, and when you believe attractive people have an unfair advantage you may end up seeing more instances of it than are really there.

 

[scar_face40]

I'm fully aware I have a bit of a mental problem anyway which I'm getting counselling help for. My obsession with looks, and jealously of good looking people is out of hand.

However, my opinion of quality of social life and popularity correlating with attractiveness still stands. I've had long chats with my friends and family about this sort of thing and although they disagree with some stuff I say, they do agree with things like people infer your personality characteristics from your physical traits.

I know looks aren't solely the reason why I've failed to have any romantic instances with girls in my life, but it irks me to see arrogant and obnoxious guys get away with things, have great social lives and are constantly enjoying life, just because they look attractive.

----------

One thing that I'll add that's important, is that just like SH, lookism is a big circle jerk. While I stand by my post about Love Island, a lot of it is tongue-in-cheek and written for comedic value.

 

[Baryon Jones]

Edit: @Baryon Jones you need to post more Black's Books gifs now.

I'm fully aware I have a bit of a mental problem anyway which I'm getting counselling help for

Spoiler: MRW incel whining

Spoiler

Bernard Black is my spirit animal

 

[Jashinist]

Meh, I think you're mostly suffering from confirmation bias. The producers likely picked slutty drama whores on purpose. Though to be fair I don't think you'd be the first incel to take tv too seriously - sometimes when I read these sites its like people don't do anything but watch high schools movies and write about them.
As for James, perhaps you find him annoying but maybe he has some positive qualities you can't see right now? Like he's funny or something? We are all a little biased, and when you believe attractive people have an unfair advantage you may end up seeing more instances of it than are really there.

Plus, it's well-documented that when under scrutiny, people tend to err towards doing what they THINK they should, as opposed to what they would normally. Like the whole "remind a woman she's a woman before a math test and she'll do worse" - we subconsciously conform to the stereotype. I could definitely see that playing out with women feeling obliged to go for the big hunky dudes or vice versa, or to play dumb - just generally becoming stereotypes of themselves instead of the unique individuals I'm sure they all are. It's hard for anyone to "act natural" when you know you're being watched by millions, a lot probably feel safe "hiding" in safe stereotypes. But with the aforementioned specific casting and editing, I doubt that would be even necessary to create a warped reality.

 

[ON 190]

Bernard Black is my spirit animal

Damn right he is.

However, I'd do anything to get with Fran...

 

[Jashinist]

I know looks aren't solely the reason why I've failed to have any romantic instances with girls in my life, but it irks me to see arrogant and obnoxious guys get away with things, have great social lives and are constantly enjoying life, just because they look attractive.

But how do you know it's JUST because they look attractive? You resent them, so of course you'll see them in a negative light. For all you know they're hilarious, charismatic and witty. And you wouldn't know otherwise because you're not in their "great social life" circle. It's a natural human thing to see the bad side of people we dislike or are jealous of, and to assume the worst. It makes you feel superior and "better". But that's yet another example of "editing" bias - you're confirming your own mental biases and discarding anything that might challenge it. Using that method, you can come up with a stereotype for anything.

 

[Baryon Jones]

However, I'd do anything to get with Fran...

She is ...
(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
Frantastic

 

[scar_face40]

But how do you know it's JUST because they look attractive? You resent them, so of course you'll see them in a negative light. For all you know they're hilarious, charismatic and witty. And you wouldn't know otherwise because you're not in their "great social life" circle. It's a natural human thing to see the bad side of people we dislike or are jealous of, and to assume the worst. It makes you feel superior and "better". But that's yet another example of "editing" bias - you're confirming your own mental biases and discarding anything that might challenge it. Using that method, you can come up with a stereotype for anything.

I'm not too convinced with a bias to be honest. The best looking guy I've ever met had a fantastic personality and sense of humour which I could pick up on. I'm a pretty cynical person anyway, but surely if there was a bias, wouldn't I fail to see these positive qualities in all attractive people?

Also, take a University party for example. If an attractive guy walks into the party, whom the girls don't know in advance, the attention will turn towards him and make an effort to talk to him.
Sure, they might talk to him and dislike his personality and walk away, but his 'date-a-bility(?)' has been given the chance to be tested. For the unattractive male, the chance simply isn't there.

 

[Jashinist]

I'm not too convinced with a bias to be honest. The best looking guy I've ever met had a fantastic personality and sense of humour which I could pick up on. I'm a pretty cynical person anyway, but surely if there was a bias, wouldn't I fail to see these positive qualities in all attractive people?

Also, take a University party for example. If an attractive guy walks into the party, whom the girls don't know in advance, the attention will turn towards him and make an effort to talk to him.
Sure, they might talk to him and dislike his personality and walk away, but his 'date-a-bility(?)' has been given the chance to be tested. For the unattractive male, the chance simply isn't there.

But that's definitely not one way. The same happens to attractive women - no-one here is denying that being attractive gives you an advantage in certain things, like getting people's help or attention. It's just as unfair for unattractive women as it is for unattractive men. But the attractive person still needs to prove themselves worthy of that attention, otherwise it quickly dries up. There are plenty of traditionally attractive people that are horrible on the inside, and that subsequently makes them seem far less attractive once their personality is known.

Try things like dating websites, they let you get a message in through the door to be considered. A picture as well, but you're far more likely to get someone's attention that way than waiting for them to approach you. I'm not exactly a 10/10 woman myself, but have had lots of success once I stopped waiting to be approached and actually took the initiative to seek myself.

 

[Stratomsk]

Hi again, I'm not stalking your forum, I came to look up the name of a a member and saw that I was tagged a couple of mins ago.

I know it's full of dumb drama, but the 'contestants' aren't exactly told to read off a script in the 'interviews'. From personal experience I honestly reckon it does echo real-life, just more extreme on this programme as you don't exactly see male-model tier guys all the time.

Take my workplace for instance, there is a guy who's started working there that is objectively very good-looking. Golden skin, muscular, perfect bone structure, facial symmetry etc and the girls are all over him. Every time I walk past them chatting it's 'James did this' or 'James spoke to me about this today'. I wrote a thread about it on the lookism forums in more detail, but basically he receives so much positive attention because of his looks, even though he has a rather obnoxious personality.

In regards to Love Island, I also wrote that the men are bad, just in a different way. The man on the show are low-IQ and treat the women like playthings. However, the females think too highly of themselves, as demonstrated from Monday night's programme (if anyone watches it). Unlike many of my fellow forumers, I don't hate women. I hate the way our appearance-obsessed society creates such a rift between physical attractiveness.

Be interested to hear your responses.

Glad you took the time to respond. Anyway, what I was trying to say is that a 'reality show' is often subject to manipulation by the directors and producers to achieve a certain effect. In this case, they want a bunch of idiotic drama to happen such as people cheating on each other or certain women to act bitchy for no reason to stir up needless controversy.

That being said, lets give you the benefit of the doubt and assume for a moment that its all completely unscripted even though most reality shows are in fact subjected to some form of manipulation. The problem here is that you take a very small group of women on this show and illogically assume that all women are into 'low-inhibition' chads that are simultaneously dumb that somehow manage to get with these women for their looks.

Bear in mind that psychologically, they are "performing" to cameras knowing that people will see everything. That in itself is a huge bias in their behaviour.

That's certainly part of it. @scar_face40 I'm sure you already knew the couple that is chosen by the audience at the end of the show is awarded 50,000$ or your regional equivalent right? They are given an incentive to become 'romantically' involved with whoever their attracted to under the assumption it will get them that money.

Tldr; The Faulty Generalization fallacy is a fun argument these guys tend to make.

 

[scar_face40]

Then why are you obsessing as well? You're part of the problem now!

I guess you could call it trying to fit in?

I'm pretty sure you need to get more 'personal experience' if that's what you think.

I know you have your own view, but I can only saw what I've seen. Sure, I'm still young (3rd year of Uni), but I've experienced a hell of a lot of parties, clubs, general day gatherings etc throughout Uni and school. I only started obsessing about looks related things a year ago and it's got worse over time, but I did notice the things I'm talking about even before this.

Maybe James spends more time working and less time obsessing.

Not sure what you mean by this. I drag myself down a lot, but working like a demon at work is something I'm good at.

 

[Jashinist]

I find it really sad that such a small sample of women is used to extrapolate outwards for billions of women. All it would take is to actually go out and get to know some to know they're not all like that. But by having such toxic thoughts about them, they're building a barrier without even realising. :/

 

[scar_face40]

But that's definitely not one way. The same happens to attractive women - no-one here is denying that being attractive gives you an advantage in certain things, like getting people's help or attention. It's just as unfair for unattractive women as it is for unattractive men. But the attractive person still needs to prove themselves worthy of that attention, otherwise it quickly dries up. There are plenty of traditionally attractive people that are horrible on the inside, and that subsequently makes them seem far less attractive once their personality is known.

Try things like dating websites, they let you get a message in through the door to be considered. A picture as well, but you're far more likely to get someone's attention that way than waiting for them to approach you. I'm not exactly a 10/10 woman myself, but have had lots of success once I stopped waiting to be approached and actually took the initiative to seek myself.

Thanks for the reply. Of course there is an issue for females too, and I feel do feel sorry for them too. I can't help but feel that guys have it worse in this case though. Because guys at this sort of age are so sexually driven, I've noticed that girls who are considered unattractive still get approached by guys who are undeniably better looking.

I guess this sort of thing is echoed with the gender imbalance on dating sites. I did set up a dating profile or two, but I lost interest as most either want you to pay to unlock features, and there weren't many females in close range of my area.

I find it really sad that such a small sample of women is used to extrapolate outwards for billions of women. All it would take is to actually go out and get to know some to know they're not all like that. But by having such toxic thoughts about them, they're building a barrier without even realising. :/

I appreciate I may have taken the Love Island show too seriously. I think my issue arises from things I've experienced in real life, which can be testified by others in a similar position, and even friends who have long term relationships or are engaged have tended to agree that looks are so prevalent in modern life.

 

[Jashinist]

Thanks for the reply. Of course there is an issue for females too, and I feel do feel sorry for them too. I can't help but feel that guys have it worse in this case though. Because guys at this sort of age are so sexually driven, I've noticed that girls who are considered unattractive still get approached by guys who are undeniably better looking.

I guess this sort of thing is echoed with the gender imbalance on dating sites. I did set up a dating profile or two, but I lost interest as most either want you to pay to unlock features, and there weren't many females in close range of my area.

Call them women, not females. It's a little thing but it really is quite noticeable. When you say "female" you're just referring to the sex/gender, like you would with any species of animal, but when you say "women" you're validating that it's humans you are talking about, and of the female variety. It's not a huge deal, but it's just something that I've noticed a lot of incels/redpillers etc have slipped into their language and that combined with some of the other anti-woman stuff can really send a strong message combined.

I guess if sex is what you're looking for, yeah, but the fact that men would fuck me doesn't necessarily fill me with joy or fulfilment, I want more than that. Plus, when you're doing a one time fling, the guy has a lot less incentive to make the sex good for you, so... in that regard, men definitely have the advantage.

I agree about the gender imbalance, they are pretty sausage fest-y, and lots of guys just blanket message every woman in the area which blocks out a lot of legitimate guys looking for a connection of sorts.