A female friend recently decided to become trans after becoming non-binary. I am distancing myself slowly and I don't really like them much anymore. Another friend lost I guess.
Also gotta say there's nothing wrong with finding femboys hot or liking them, no matter how puritanistic people can be.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. I'm trying to persuade him to really think about this since it really seems like he just wants to be a femboi rather than suffering from any sort of dysphoria,
The thing about femboys is that they all end up transitioning. The whole subculture revolves around youthfulness and androgyny, so they panic at the first sign of "hitting the wall" and go on estrogen to prevent it
The thing about femboys is that they all end up transitioning. The whole subculture revolves around youthfulness and androgyny, so they panic at the first sign of "hitting the wall" and go on estrogen to prevent it
Ah fuck. I meant to say tomboys. I'm tired of some of the preaching done in this thread about people can't find tomboys hot or lament the fact that a lot of them got reeled in to be trans. It's the same stupid idea pushed by the people who say you cant find women attractive in videogames or make them hot because it somehow hurts other women.
And about the femboy thing, that's definetly not true. A lot of them push it too far, but quite a few dress girly for a long while and keep the lifestyle I guess, I've seen a few that are middle aged and put in the proper care and effort.
Ah fuck. I meant to say tomboys. I'm tired of some of the preaching done in this thread about people can't find tomboys hot or lament the fact that a lot of them got reeled in to be trans. It's the same stupid idea pushed by the people who say you cant find women attractive in videogames or make them hot because it somehow hurts other women.
And about the femboy thing, that's definetly not true. A lot of them push it too far, but quite a few dress girly for a long while and keep the lifestyle I guess, I've seen a few that are middle aged and put in the proper care and effort.
I'm not saying you can't find tomboys hot. It's okay to have sexual preferences. But the fact that a lot of these adult men fetishize the youthfulness and beauty of literal teenage girls who transitioned is creepy
I'm not saying you can't find tomboys hot. It's okay to have sexual preferences. But the fact that a lot of these adult men fetishize the youthfulness and beauty of literal teenage girls who transitioned is creepy
Yeah, I figured we were talking about adults all the way through, and even then she'd have a point about not fetishizing a subculture (in contrast to just having attraction to products of said subculture).
I’ve known three people who have trooned out. Of the three, only one of them really mattered to me. The person in question was someone I worked with for numerous years, and looked up to as a mentor. Brilliant person, if not a little eccentric. This person was always a bit on the odd and introverted side, but once he felt comfortable around you, he was also a great friend. He met a woman online and they chatted for several years. I owe a great deal of my personal success to this person and their insight. Long story short, got conned out of a lot of money and a lot of his sense of self-respect.
He entered a state of severe anxiety and depression, and was trialed a myriad of anti-depressants which weren’t really helping him. He was rapidly gaining weight, the quality of his work vastly diminished, he became very reclusive and combative in conversation, an overall insufferable person. We, in the office, pretty much wrote this person off since associating with them was becoming more trouble than what it was worth.
Several months later, we receive an email from HR to welcome a new female to our team. It was the exact same person, except with a really ragged looking wig and poorly-applied makeup. The positive was that this person was much more personable than the person we were learning to disdain, but it was like he was LARPing as a completely new person.
Since this wasn’t a new hire, and most competent HR departments won’t have Windows information systems update the global address list/Active Directory with nicknames, the “deadname” appeared everywhere.
Out of respect for my former colleague and friend, I acknowledged them by their troon name - but most didn’t. He didn’t sound remotely female, either. For a few months, things appeared OK, but then the same cracks were becoming visible. Staying in character for long periods of time is incredibly difficult. In a meeting where a senior Vice President was involved, the deadname was used (SVP didn’t know, but would have probably respected it if she did), and he verbally assaulted everyone on the call. The SVP offered an apology but the tirade continued. It was even stated that HR and other management tried to calm him down, but ultimately, he was fired on the spot after unrelenting.
This person lost an incredibly well-paying gig due to being unable to control themselves, and also being unable to resolve their own personal issues. They decided that changing their person might help them escape their woes, and it just conflated everything. I lost contact with this person and the last I heard about them was that they dyed their hair a weird color and now pump gas somewhere in the northwestern part of the US.
This is not exactly losing someone to a troon-out, but bear with it.
About a year ago my younger brother (FtM), whom I shall call John, was sent to the hospital via ambulance because of his school chimping out on him for a reason I never learnt. I had known about the 42%, gender dysphoria's state as a mental illness and everything else that had to do with troons and trannies, so suffice to say I was deeply surprised when John was sent into the psych ward. While in reality he was not kept there for long, it felt like an eternity. Throughout this all, one question was weighing on my mind even as I shat the shit with my friends -- "Why?"
Even when John came back home, this question lingered. I researched as much as I could on the likelihood that this was a phase or a ruse. It was both this and gender dysphoria being a mental illness that I wanted him to be who he used to be. Now, I have come to accept it due to it having gone unhindered for a year. He has had no slip-ups via referring to himself by his deadname or as a girl.
The first few months of him being back home were awkward but we got used to the new order. Since then, I have grown much closer to him. He had a co-diagnosis with depression which he and my mother believe is bullshit -- I disagree though as many depressed actively deny being depressed -- and he supposedly has been seeing and hearing (according to him, all positive) things that would not be atypical of schizophrenia or some other disorder. I doubt he knows it, but as the percentages stacked up I realized that his likelihood to attempt joining the 42% are becoming more of a reality. It has come to the point that I just regard it as an inevitability. I have been spending as much time as I can with him so that whatever time we have left will not be wasted. I just fear what will happen when he necks himself.
My parents still care for John and as he is a minor they will not be allowing him to undergo hormones or therapy, and he has remained a chill person who can joke about being a tranny, so at least there are a couple silver linings to what my family is in now.
Thanks man. If he's as genuine as he seems to be, then getting HRT and SRS when he's of age should help immeasurably. We'll have to see, so fingers crossed.
I'm going to level with you, Carl. You shouldn't listen to strangers on the internet who try to tell you how to treat your kin.
But, should you have a lapse of judgment and find yourself doing exactly that, let it be this stranger on the internet you listen to.
She is your sister. Do not let her do this to herself. She will grow to regret it. she will blame you, and she will blame your parents. You won't remember this post of mine in ten years when she's doubled over, clawing at her own body cursing her foolish young self for being so stubborn. I won't remember this post either, when that happens. I couldn't care less about some internet stranger's sister. The difference is that you love her, and you will still love her even when the time comes that she is overcome with unbearable regret.
But, like I said, dont listen to what a some stranger on the internet tells you to do. Even then, I beg you. Treat her right.
Yeah, I figured we were talking about adults all the way through, and even then she'd have a point about not fetishizing a subculture (in contrast to just having attraction to products of said subculture).
I didn't say I wasn't into men did I. Either way you can still fetishize a subculture and just about everything. Just the way people also fetishize femboys, it's all just wordplay. You're attracted to tomboys and even their culture sexually.
This person lost an incredibly well-paying gig due to being unable to control themselves, and also being unable to resolve their own personal issues. They decided that changing their person might help them escape their woes, and it just conflated everything. I lost contact with this person and the last I heard about them was that they dyed their hair a weird color and now pump gas somewhere in the northwestern part of the US.
I wish there was some way to make them understand that nobody outside of the gender cult really gives a shit about getting “misgendered”, except internet posters suffering from GOTIS.
I'm going to level with you, Carl. You shouldn't listen to strangers on the internet who try to tell you how to treat your kin.
But, should you have a lapse of judgment and find yourself doing exactly that, let it be this stranger on the internet you listen to.
She is your sister. Do not let her do this to herself. She will grow to regret it. she will blame you, and she will blame your parents. You won't remember this post of mine in ten years when she's doubled over, clawing at her own body cursing her foolish young self for being so stubborn. I won't remember this post either, when that happens. I couldn't care less about some internet stranger's sister. The difference is that you love her, and you will still love her even when the time comes that she is overcome with unbearable regret.
But, like I said, dont listen to what a some stranger on the internet tells you to do. Even then, I beg you. Treat her right.
I'm tired of some of the preaching done in this thread about people can't find tomboys hot or lament the fact that a lot of them got reeled in to be trans.
i don't think the trans stuff affect tomboys so much as it affects fujoshis who were rotten to begin with and were always lurking the fringes.
I also have never heard about femboys outside of the internet, irl you hear about twinks, i think the femboy stuff is becoming more of a fetish for straight guys. Dudes calling themselves femboys online for attention are kinda shooting for a straight audience, is like transgenderism light. Thats at least my personal impression. It edges very closely and a lot is also close to cosplay communities where traps and yaoi girlboys are also a meme. Theres a venn diagram were all these things touch eventually.
I think if instead of "there are 5000 genders and down with cis and straight" the message was more like "is ok to be cis and straight and experiment and be flexible with your sexuality" then things would not be as bad. A lot of transitioning people are nothing more than insecure people who have issues with labels on this idiotic contemporary culture.
Pretty sad, so he basically got screwed so bad he had a mental breakdown. Is almost like a cry for help, there is a lot of support network for validating trans people but not so much for men who recover from emotionally abusive women, rather men who go through that are shamed as weak simp beta cucks and only spiral more down the drain.
Pretty sad, so he basically got screwed so bad he had a mental breakdown. Is almost like a cry for help, there is a lot of support network for validating trans people but not so much for men who recover from emotionally abusive women, rather men who go through that are shamed as weak simp beta cucks and only spiral more down the drain.
It's why if I win the breadpool I'm sending the money to men's mental health services. Even if they don't troon out, men need more support than we give them. My non-blood brothers should have just as many resources as me and my fellow women.
My shitbag ex heroine addicted cousin trooned out.
He actually came to live with us for a while while he was "trying to get clean" (my mom was a sucker) and once my brother found women's clothes under his bed.
When my brother asked about them he quickly said "oh, those belong to my stripper girlfriend". We all laughed at him (he was a fat, smelly, gross dude much like Steven Assanti) so none of us believe that story. This was the very late 90s/early 2000s so troons were practically unheard of.
Nearly 10 years later I go up to visit my aunt and Fatty is there visiting as well, only now he was a "she". I tried to engage in conversation but "she" was being a weirdo about it and didn't want to talk.
Completely non-passing btw, but did have a boyfriend.
In all honesty I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he were doing it for attention. He's just that big of an asshole.
This is a good thread. So far I'd say I've seen 2 people troon out while being around spaces favored by trans people, I can't speak for those I've met that are already trans but there were changes within the two I knew.
One of them was a close friend, not up to the point I feel sad about keeping my distance from him now but our group of friends had lots of hangouts with him or at his house. I saw things go downhill with his transition real quick, it's not like I didn't see him becoming trans in the future though, the guy grew up with a father that abused him up to the point of ending with permanent trauma and like people here said that's one reason to troon out, luckily his dad died and left him with lots of cash up to the point he doesn't need a job or a degree to survive. He not only had this but also a girlfriend of 8 years, whom to my surprise supported him up to the point of distancing herself from her family and friends just to get ditched during the pandemic with cheating on his end disguised as polyamory.
Yes, this guy wound up evolving from a shy rich man who liked videogames and had a LTR to an unlikeable trans woman that checked every box related to their stereotypes, narcissistic, communist, poly, Sapphic whatever that is now/ basically a "lesbian" instead of straight and somebody who got easily offended with any content that was deemed too problematic by twitter. His personality was slowly changing, we had this group chat with all of our friends where we just planned hangouts or talked about games and movies where once he went out as trans started dropping selfies every week to fish for compliments, it was so awkward to see that considering the fact nobody else in the group did this but there he was wanting to talk about how his tits were growing with the pills and how he felt sexy while some of us had to fake comments saying "yeah um you look good!".
With his breakup and all the drama around the cheating we are finally done talking but like I said it was for the best considering how he was changing for the worst, he replaced all of us with long distance trans friends he met on twitter, changed his opinions on games or shows he liked discussing with us because "twitter canceled x or y and it's not good to be fan of it considering what happened" and wanted to get complimented constantly for no reason... I could go on but it's like I don't know this person me and my friends met years ago.
The 2nd person seems like a positive case but I don't know him that well. Besides being in school with him and knowing he was dating a friend of mine he went from a super quiet awkward nerd to a chatty flamboyant transwoman, maybe he just needed that excuse to act girly, at least he kept being loyal to his girlfriend now I just hope the injectable hormones he started taking won't mess him up.
Despite this I won't ever believe in transgenderism, I can coexist with them as long as they are pleasant to be with like the 2nd case but I feel there are more examples of bad cases than good ones and that goes for all the trans people I have had interacted with which is another story for another time if we focus on those I never knew pre transition. Also it's not like I haven't had to face gender issues on my own that could have made me fall as prey into this...
I'm a tomboy who got told even in her face irl I didn't deserve to be a woman because I didn't act enough like one while growing up. I understand how it feels for all of those in here who now are seeing the message change from moving forward and proving people wrong which I stood for into giving up and thinking you were never meant to fit in. Nerd and autistic spaces are filled with nonbinary or transmen thanks to this shit and I can confirm it because I see that so often, oh and instead of mentioning how there are no women in the internet I think we can all just say all women online are trans now because that's the case in every single game community I go to.
Wants to be a delicate feminine blossom, still reacts like Kyle when he's had too many Monster Energies and is about to punch drywall.
Incels who live life as anime/game nerds, then transition to "female," and continue to to live life with the hobbies of (hikkikomori-level) computer nerds, are my favorite trans stereotype. The incel to troon pipeline is real.
Yes, just like all that goes into being female is simply wearing a dress and spamming "UwU" in Discord! Mental health decline is society's fault and has nothing to do with being a shut-in. (In honesty, these incels-turned-"women" are the biggest evidence of autogynephilia, to me. I believe there are genuine cases, but the incels ain't it.)
instead of mentioning how there are no women in the internet I think we can all just say all women online are trans now because that's the case in every single game community I go to.
I would plaster this in every nerd space I know of if I could. It's really fucked up to me when I'm the only ACTUAL female in some group online, and meanwhile I'm seeing either blatant misogyny coming from "women" (troons), or they're pretending to be super feminist by shitting on pretty girls who they will never look like. Not all are like this, but definitely enough, the majority of troons. Again, incel pipeline...
I have one extended family member who "trooned" out-- my husband's aunt-turned-uncle. For years, the entire family just thought she was gay, but then she came out as a he about 5 years ago. Apparently she was in therapy for over a decade before making the decision to transition, so this was definitely not a haphazard thing.
Really, the biggest issue is that he takes offense to his almost 90-year old parents (one of them with weakened physical and cognitive health before he died over a year ago) still call him by his very feminine birth name. Like, his mother is a devout democrat-- she votes for all of the people who advocate for the shit that he supports, and yet she's still somehow this huge villain at times to him. Never considered the possibility that his parents are just too old to understand all of this. lol.
That said, this person is one of the less cringey trans individuals, and I always have pleasant conversations with him whenever we cross paths (then again, this person doesn't know I voted for Trump twice, lol). Every year, my husband and I get a cute Christmas card from him that always has a picture of one of his cute doggos, too.
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