Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

He will never understand the many hats a modern mother has to wear.

But there is one hat he understands that you never will:

 

[AMHOLIO]

Quickly updating to say that the powerlevel, autism, and other negative stickers are back, so if you're posting about an issue you had with someone you can't stand getting negrates over because everyone else in your life is shitting on you right now, don't post. No need to devolve into a mass debate thread if someone slighted you by a fictional sticker here.

im starting to question how the fuck we can reliably avoid this shit at this point? only date people who are hardcore redpilled reactionaries?

Well, how DO you avoid mental illness?

You can't. Not reliably. Someone with a clean bill of mental heath could experience something that gives them long term issues, maybe a huge string of bad luck or a traumatic event. Someone can go most of their life without showing signs then develop something genetically or by taking a medication for other issues.

Transgenderism is a mental condition. We have factors that lean into it, but you'll hear about the hard right to troon left pipeline in addition to the leftist soyboy to troon pipeline, it's a social thing and not a political leaning if that makes sense. (Honestly, anyone who swings toward extremism will likely just jump onto another extremist belief than moderate, so find a normal conservative). Basically, like all daring and friendships, it's a Russian Roulette The odds are in your favor at least.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

That dress looks like the trad wife wojak meme.

Why do you even include him? have you tried discussing it with your other friends in private? Maybe its time to vote on it and kick the autistic, or at least draw some lines and make clear your position because its not fair to endure someone thats going to ruin every outing for you.

Because my friends tolerate or enable his bullshit.

 

[Aunt Carol]

it's because he's autistic and the only constant irl female interaction is his grandma. He probably got his clothes from her like hand me downs

Even for grandmas, that's not going-out-on-the-town clothes. I have experience in the ways of grandmas, and when you start wearing the seersucker housedress 24/7, the only step down from there is the one that opens in the back so someone else can help you with your incontinence.

The grandma who wears a seersucker housedress around the house, if you offer to take her out to lunch and Walmart, will wear polyester slacks and a tucked-in blouse with cats or flowers printed on it.

I dunno if you could fight this on the "rocked up in pajamas" front rather than the troon front. Not that convincing any of the other women in your group to do a giggly girls' makeover is a good idea, or would help, but maybe that would start to let people identify the red flags that are hiding behind the troon shield.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Another update on this fucker because I'm becoming increasingly tired of this creature. We were all going to go to a movie. In a group chat, he asks if it's possible if one of us could come with him to the bathroom. Again, this man has done nothing to pass. He still has a beard and just covers it with a mask. His voice is still manly and doesn't even do a shitty falsetto. A handmaiden friend bent over backwards and agreed to everything.

When he gets to the movie theatre, he's wearing the most hideous grandma dress
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He sticks out like a sore thumb because no one wears such a thing in the modern era. I can't remember who he lives with but I believe it's his grandparents and it truly shows because only an autist that lives with grandma would think this is okay.

And then today, Roe vs Wade got overturned and he starts getting upset. He says he's going to throw up. He's getting upset when this doesn't impact him at all and the people who actually are impacted are handling it better than him.

I don't even know how to describe my anger when it comes to this man. It's like seeing someone trying to be something that you are but they don't understand your life at all. All they have are myths and stereotypes and they try to use those things to parrot and mimic.

He will never understand what it's like to be a woman. He will never understand having your voice be dismissed. He will never have the voice in the back of your head trying to figure out if someone is dangerous to you. He will never undergo the cruel methods that still exist in modern gynecology. He will never understand that the ability to be independent is actually quite recent and can be easily taken away. He will never undergo the process of being pregnant and giving birth. He will never have to deal with the trauma that is a miscarriage or still birth. He will never understand the many hats a modern mother has to wear. He will never understand the idea of doctors disregarding your complaints. He will never understand that a man could quickly overpower you and in many scenarios you are vulnerable.

All this bitch spouts is "lol i'm trans", "lol period", "lol I'm a girl" as if that's enough. As if that's all women are. It makes me want to scream at him.

But he’ll never understand subtle female social undermining either, which is why you have to start using it to slowly push him out of the group so he’ll fuck off.

Nothing explicitly anti-trans, of course. Just “did anyone notice… (something negative or creepy about “her”)” in one-on-one offline conversations. Allow the other women feel empowered to acknowledge their own doubts as well. I promise at least one other woman in the group is just as grossed out as you, they just think they’re alone.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Because my friends tolerate or enable his bullshit.

I get it but you still should speak up, by going along you are passively validating him too.
What @behindyourightnow said is probably the smart move, just dodge the trans issue and make it about him specifically and how he makes you uncomfortable. If your friends turn on you for expressing yourself they are retarded. Its unfair to feel peer pressured into hanging out with a creep,

 

[smegma enthusiast]

So a 14-year old my sister knew trooned out. She is in the band program and one of her classmates, who was already flunking out of school and had multiple stays in a mental hospital, had decided that he was a girl. He is now going to a continuation school. His mom is 100% supportive. I feel bad for her. Of course you would want to support your child when the media tells you that all of his previous problems were because of "gender dysphoria." I don't really know much about what they're going to do now but I can only hope that he continues to stay alive for the next few years, at least.

 

[DumbDude42]

When he gets to the movie theatre, he's wearing the most hideous grandma dress
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He sticks out like a sore thumb because no one wears such a thing in the modern era. I can't remember who he lives with but I believe it's his grandparents and it truly shows because only an autist that lives with grandma would think this is okay.

maybe it's an attempt to copy the tradwife wojak? same color scheme (kind of)

 

[snake aids]

stop paying attention to his existence, probably, with that thinly-veiled 'savior' justification

A 19 year old schtupping a 15 year old is known as statutory rape. However, particularly if the guy is only 19, police rarely go after it unless there's something else to bundle it with (buying a minor alcohol/tobacco, etc), largely because the instant the kid hits 18, a four-year age difference is both mundane and acceptable. It's still doubtless weird and creepy as it is, but it's not really going to be anyone's prerogative to do anything about it at-face. Otherwise, cops would routinely prosecute outgoing high school seniors that date incoming freshmen.

Yeah you're right. I'm just mad at him because he trooned out to get attention from a troon child and it worked. Troons are so seedy, man. At least he has no friends anymore. Kek. Other than that I'm mostly over it all, honestly, even if it still seems like I'm seething and malding. All I can do is take care of myself and keep moving forward. I will continue to laugh at troons of course. I hope everyone else is doing good.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Yeah you're right. I'm just mad at him because he trooned out to get attention from a troon child and it worked. Troons are so seedy, man. At least he has no friends anymore. Kek. Other than that I'm mostly over it all, honestly, even if it still seems like I'm seething and malding. All I can do is take care of myself and keep moving forward. I will continue to laugh at troons of course. I hope everyone else is doing good.

You could have had it much worse with an obsessive or aggressive troon. God help you because Dundee's knife won't save you from being ran over in a car by "Just having healthy relationships" protected classes.

I sometimes wonder if scope creep can be applied to "degeneracy" in the term of trooning out. Perhaps it opens in their mind (and thought process) the justification for all this other retarded shit. It's like if you had replaced the half-angle identity of tangent in trignometric identies with a compound intrest function. You'd get a completely "right" answer mathematically for the equation, but any idiot with a pigeon brain would realize that's not the correct answer.

"It's not pedophilia because age is a self-identification just like gender"
Versus
"Age, like gender, are things set in stone and cannot be changed"

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

I'm only on page 6 and have been extremely inactive as of late. I want to eventually stop using KF but I'm terminally online, so I doubt I can. I was directed to this thread in chat last night, and I'd like to share a few stories, as a FtM myself who has cut contact with every IRL tranny I've met, for one reason or another. I was the first to "come out" and this gaggle of SoJus types followed me like lost puppies.
I have been severely dysphoric as long as I can remember. I was diagnosed with dysphoria at 16, and have had extensive therapy since I was 8. Medicated between the ages of 9 and 11, Zoloft at 9, Risperdal at either 10 or 11, it escapes me. I'm heavily medicated, 200mg of Zoloft and a pill and a half of Risperdal, the exact dosage escapes me. Generally a mentally unstable diagnosed autistic loner with an extensive history of violence. I had few friends, and as the first person to "come out," at 14, a lot of bullshit followed suit.

We'll call the first, a "genderfluid" female, Victoria. Victoria was a shy, talented artist type all the way back in elementary, having known her since at least 5th grade. Long, flowing black hair, wonderful sense of fashion, generally an extremely kind person. She remained this way, all up until I came out as FtM to her in private. She then went on a long rant about how she was genderfluid and used he/she pronouns, and how she wanted to be called Victor, (not giving the real alias) and because I was a child, I ate it up. I followed her art Tumblr, later unfollowed because she stopped posting art and started going on schpeals about politics. I realized we were polar opposites politically, instead of arguing with her about how socialism was retarded I cut my losses. We still talked in person a lot, she cut her hair, started dressing like a stereotype of a punk character from the 1980s. Cheap denim, ironed on "kweer" patches, fake ripped jeans bought from Target. We stopped talking entirely after I let the cat out of the bag and said I think you need dysphoria to even begin to consider yourself trans, and he completely ignored me the rest of the time we were still in school, with the exception of one time. We were 16.
My Government teacher accidentally let it slip that one of the students in the class strongly preferred Trump over Biden. This was during COVID, so we were all in a chatroom with the teacher being the only one who could speak. I was the Trump supporter, and this was in California. Victor here tried to coax the teacher to tell her who it was so she could, and I quote, "beat the crap out of them." I don't particularly like Trump anymore, but I'd take him over Biden in a heartbeat.
The second kid was Victor's ex, who I'll call Frog. Frog was actually FtM, and I still believe he has dysphoria, but had a very odd, honestly fucking retarded name choice. He first went by a normal name, along the lines of Tom, and I was cool with that. Then he chose a retarded enby name, but I still respected that. My chosen name is a bit out there too, albeit in a more "obvious history nerd and Fallout fan" way, and less of a "Nature and the Stars!!1!" sperg way. He was chill, dated Victor for a bit, broke it off because Victor was a borderline abusive dyke stereotype who would mentally wear down her partner and shun them over minor disagreements. Frog and I disagreed politically, but politely, as most sane people do. He was a cosplay buff and also an artist, like all three of us, but was easily the most skilled. We both took Japanese class and shared most high school classes, genuinely wish we could have stayed friends but COVID fucked that over.
Third was a MtF I forgot the name of, we'll call her Julie. Julie was clearly extremely dysphoric but refused to accept that, trying to claim she was nondysphoric and "just euphoric," despite the fact that euphoria is only possible with gender dysphoria. She was very peppy and energetic, a bit chubby but passed very well, even her voice was naturally feminine. Certainly did more to pass than Vic. She was also a preachy asshole politically, but a great friend up until I was 16, due to the dysphoria disagreement.

Of all of them, I was clearly the most unstable, especially in high school, but I was the only one that never actively cut contact with any of them. They saw it as more of a hugbox political statement than an actual disorder. I think I'm the only one who actively sought help for it.

 

[Kiislova]

[snip]

Come out at 14, still trans, how was the help you were given beyond writing prescriptions and telling you are heccin valid?

 

[Mr. Cool ICE]

Come out at 14, still trans, how was the help you were given beyond writing prescriptions and telling you are heccin valid?

I haven't started HRT, I find the ass kissing retarded, but at the same time the discomfort is immeasurable. I just wanted to check other options before I did something like HRT. I'm close to getting it. My therapist and psychiatrist were actually skeptical and quizzed me on it repeatedly when I still had them, got a diagnosis at 16 after I got tested for it. I'm exhausted so sorry if this is incoherent.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

a FtM myself who has cut contact with every IRL tranny I've met

NotLikeOtherTroons

As if lol. The all turn out to be the same attention whoring insane degenerates.

 

[Snack Cracker]

another one trooned out that I know and he’s so goddamn ugly, forever a Hon.

Annoying male feminist, constantly seems upset he doesn’t have focus in SJ circles as an evil white cis male, failed man that periodically posts about how he’s sad he can’t find a partner.
Don’t know what his porn history looks like but at this point I can safely guess.
It’s so predictable, it’s all so predictable.

He even posted art already of a woman in a skirt that goes spinny spin and thigh highs, they always go for that.
Pornsickness and anime is the only explanation I can think of.

 

[BelUwUga]

I haven't started HRT, I find the ass kissing retarded, but at the same time the discomfort is immeasurable. I just wanted to check other options before I did something like HRT. I'm close to getting it. My therapist and psychiatrist were actually skeptical and quizzed me on it repeatedly when I still had them, got a diagnosis at 16 after I got tested for it. I'm exhausted so sorry if this is incoherent.

Alright I don't want to late-respond on your expose in the YT commentary thread but just to confirm this is you right?

If you are going to use trickery for prescriptions I would recommend ADHD/stimulants first and foremost. Even if it started in the same "bad touch" kind of place the troonism did, you in all likelihood lack the self-control to actually put the fork down. Get a gym membership (you can shower there too!) and eliminate carbs from your diet. Yes, entirely. You were right when you said you look nothing like Deorrio, and you're right. You somehow made him look masculine in comparison. Andy Milonakis is close, but he literally has a HGH deficiency.

Which brings me right back around to what you really need for your delusional wants. You're looking for the giant "hypertrophy" bodybuilders and you want them to set you up with some Operation Paperclip level gear. Your bones will crumble by 50 or your heart will still explode but you might actually make it to some kind of masculine. "Butch" is setting the bar unreasonably high for where your Aiden-ass is now.

 

[DumbDude42]

Carbs become sugar as you digest them

yes but not entirely the same
carbs (starch) are broken down into glucose, which is what every cell in your body uses as fuel
table sugar (sucrose) on the other hand is only half glucose, the other half is fructose. fructose can not be used by your cells, instead it gets metabolized in the liver, causing lots of ugly side effects in the process, like leptin resistance, which makes you hungrier and hungrier over time, or fatty liver disease because apparently the metabolic pathway of fructose breakdown in the liver is similar to how alcohol is handled there so it causes similar problems.
going low carb (or even zero carb) is a really difficult and drastic step. but simply cutting out sugar is very simple and reasonable by comparison, and yields very good results in terms of health improvement, normalisation of your natural appetite/hunger regulation, easier weight loss, etc

 

[BelUwUga]

yes but not entirely the same
carbs (starch) are broken down into glucose, which is what every cell in your body uses as fuel
table sugar (sucrose) on the other hand is only half glucose, the other half is fructose. fructose can not be used by your cells, instead it gets metabolized in the liver, causing lots of ugly side effects in the process, like leptin resistance, which makes you hungrier and hungrier over time, or fatty liver disease because apparently the metabolic pathway of fructose breakdown in the liver is similar to how alcohol is handled there so it causes similar problems.
going low carb (or even zero carb) is a really difficult and drastic step. but simply cutting out sugar is very simple and reasonable by comparison, and yields very good results in terms of health improvement, normalisation of your natural appetite/hunger regulation, easier weight loss, etc

I'm not saying you're wrong but you're acting like she needs anything less than drastic steps at this point. Since their bloodwork is a year old they are probably actually diabetic at this point. The liver's already fatty to some degree with that weight, those drugs, and alcohol to boot (oh and excluded from donor lists without major/HRT-excluding life changes). Fatty Boombalatty gets no carbs which really means an incidental/unavoidable amount (less than 30g/day). Hold that for a month, learn some self control, and then listen to the science man up here about biology.

 

[Appletuncrusader]

I'm a little worried about a friend who is wanting to troon out but hasn't done a thing about it yet. He seems aware he won't ever be a woman, but he's taken to crossdressing in his room and presenting "feminine" online. I don't think I can do a thing to help this one without getting our mutual friends sicced on me. Maybe I just need a better circle of pals. This religious magical thinking is some terrifying shit.

 

[DumbDude42]

I'm not saying you're wrong but you're acting like she needs anything less than drastic steps at this point. Since their bloodwork is a year old they are probably actually diabetic at this point. The liver's already fatty to some degree with that weight, those drugs, and alcohol to boot (oh and excluded from donor lists without major/HRT-excluding life changes). Fatty Boombalatty gets no carbs which really means an incidental/unavoidable amount (less than 30g/day). Hold that for a month, learn some self control, and then listen to the science man up here about biology.

sure going full keto would probably be more effective than just going sugar free, but for a normie (anyone who isn't really deep into health and fitness) it is astronomically difficult to achieve and maintain ketosis for an extended period of time, i simply don't think it's realistic. it's like saying "just run ten miles every day, you'll lose tons of weight, easy peasy" which is technically true, but it's so far out of reach for normal people that it's not helpful advice