Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

But none of them have to actually deal with it. They have zero investment in the outcome. As with my ex: they didn't share bank accounts, property, family, a retirement plan and a whole life with this person. They liked his Instagram posts, told him how wonderful it was he'd Found Himself and that was that, while I was sitting there in the wreckage of what had been a pretty great life. They could see me as the bad one because everything we had built understandably didn't matter to them, so seeing it destroyed was irrelevant to what made them feel good about themselves.

Even aside from the fact that they had no stake in the matter, it still absolutely blows my mind, their lack of sympathy for you, and their willingness to cheer on one of the most destructive lifestyles known to man. I can still feel for someone who is suffering even if what happens to them does not affect my own life in the slightest.

I knew such people were brainless, it's tempting to say that they're souless. How can normies have their sense of morality and empathy warped and misdirected to such extremes?

We thank you for sharing your story, it's heartbreaking. Now I'm MATI.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Believe me, I regret it now. But at the time it was like "hey, here's this cool thing you should check out."

Him trooning out fast means that he was already seriously mentally ill and vulnerable for brainwashing. If it wasn't this group then something else would have pushed him to troon out or join a religious sect (like the internet for example). There was no way for you to prevent it and you aren't responsible for his stupid decisions.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Him trooning out fast means that he was already seriously mentally ill and vulnerable for brainwashing. If it wasn't this group then something else would have pushed him to troon out or join a religious sect (like the internet for example). There was no way for you to prevent it and you aren't responsible for his stupid decisions.

back in the old days dudes just had an affair or made a really stupid financial decision during middle age crisis, both things can also wreck a marriage but are more survivable than trooning out

 

[Fapcop]

In regards to the people around them cheering it on, like @Aero the Alcoholic Bat noted, what I observed was that it was largely because it doesn't impact them. The troon ones feel important, because of course they had arrived at their "true selves" first and could now give advice and feel superior to this "baby trans." The non-troon ones could start using his new pronouns, his new name, tell him how brave he was, and feel smug about themselves for being a Good Ally.

But none of them have to actually deal with it. They have zero investment in the outcome. As with my ex: they didn't share bank accounts, property, family, a retirement plan and a whole life with this person. They liked his Instagram posts, told him how wonderful it was he'd Found Himself and that was that, while I was sitting there in the wreckage of what had been a pretty great life. They could see me as the bad one because everything we had built understandably didn't matter to them, so seeing it destroyed was irrelevant to what made them feel good about themselves.

I can't really be angrier at them than him, because ultimately it was his choice. But no question, the delusion is fuelled by people who have no actual investment in the person. And it's the ones that actually do love the person who are usually trying to help them find a way out, and being shut out as a result.

Shit like this is why I always say that we need to bring back shaming.

Back in the day, perverts kept their perversion in check, or strictly behind close doors because they were scared of the consequences. It also prevented closet pervs like your ex from coming out.

Imagine how it would have gone if your friends have react with indifference or even better: Disgust. (“I really don’t think it’s appropriate to talk about your sexual fetishes, Kazmada’s husband!” Or “You think you’re a woman now? I hope you get help and I feel terrible for your wife.”)

Or if people would cross the street when he came prancing down the sidewalk wearing woman’s clothes, if every public outings was full of looks of disapproval and managers who politely asked him to leave, as “we’re a family establishment.”

That is why you sometimes hear weirdos and libs talk about shaming as if it was a bad thing. Because they know it’s the social antidote to their fetishes.

Which is why we need it. Bring back shaming.

 

[eeto]

A good friend of mine became a troon, surprisingly so because he expressed anti-trans views before transitioning. About 3-4 years ago, he "confessed" to "feeling like a girl," which didn't seem like a big deal because he was young and still trying to find himself, but my friend-group honed in on this and "supported" this idea so much and so frequently, it felt like he was pushed into it beyond return. Ever since, our group has been falling apart, everything revolves around the tranny and as soon as you say something that even slightly generalizes him as a man (e.g. saying things like "dude [...]" or "man wtf") they all blow up. It's so toxic and retarded. How to cope?

 

[glass_houses]

Him trooning out fast means that he was already seriously mentally ill and vulnerable for brainwashing. If it wasn't this group then something else would have pushed him to troon out or join a religious sect (like the internet for example). There was no way for you to prevent it and you aren't responsible for his stupid decisions.

Everything that @Kazmada is saying gives me the strong impression that her ex has some serious co-dependency issues, and a strong tendency to take on the personalities, mannerisms and beliefs of the people around him. That's not always a recipe for destruction; if someone with this personality type manages to find a partner who is moderate and reasonably benevolent, then everything usually works out more or less positively. However, if a co-dependent type is already unhappy, and a cult happens to come along at precisely the right time (or wrong time, depending on the way you look at it) ... yeah.

Unfortunately, the cult of transgenderism is so reinforced by society that it's probably the worst cult to fall into. Even other Christians will speak up when they feel that their fellows are being pulled into fringe groups. But if you're worried about your spouse who's suddenly struck by severe gender dysphoria when they've never had this condition before in their entire life, you're an evil selfish bigot.

 

[NoReturn]

One of my siblings, formerly a self-proclaimed tomboy, trooned out and became a zippertit. We're estranged now. A few years later I decide to stop getting haircuts and let my hair grow out and my dad had the gall to tell me I look like a tranny. Thing is, I probably hate trannies more than him and he just doesn't know it, but maybe I shouldn't blame him too harshly; he already lost a daughter to troonism.

I'd advise you to cut your hair, if for no other reason than to avoid offending your father.

l8, but I say don't cut the hair; just take care of it so it's obvious you're going for this:

Not this:

I say this not just because it's your damn hair and you can keep it long if you want, but because I feel like adults who look a certain way without being trans can help show younger people/kids that it's possible to have short hair as a woman and not be a pooner, or paint your nails as a man and not be a tru and valid trans wammin.

I actually encouraged him to join this social circle as he really needed to make friends and a social life outside of me, and it was an activity group dedicated to one of his few really passionate interests.

Can I ask what it was?

he "confessed" to "feeling like a girl,"

I've still got no clue what that even means.

 

[eeto]

I've still got no clue what that even means.

Me neither. I can't tell whether this is some weird urge to LARP out of self-hatred, or feelings stemming from sexual urges / fetishism, or whatever.

 

[deermeat]

I know these people are miserable, ungrateful emotional vampires but knowing a sexual predator is out here able to have fun, dont need to work, and is widely accepted sucks. I just want justice. He doesn't deserve anything. Hes so privileged yet appreciates none of it while being a subhuman piece of shit behind the scenes- yet guess who would be labeled as an awful person? Surely not him.
Hes a straight white man with a porn addiction. Im an actual minority struggling. Do I get a community? Do I get people willing to help, willing to uplift me irl? No I dont. And even if I would ID as trans again, I would still be ignored. Notice how when it comes to trannies who are black, a HSTS, or any other flavor of oppressed (aside from being a jew) in a non self inducing way (ie fat), they are invisible.
A whole movement about "equity" yet all you see is white able bodied middle class bums, with a tiny few latinos and niggers sprinkled in the group photo so someone won't state the obvious.

Growing up in this type of culture is fucking blackpilling. I was 12 when I first learned about "reverse racism" and all that. No one cares about the oppressed, no one gives a shit. To larp as if you are oppressed when in fact you are a disguisting predator is true evil- it makes me want to believe in Hell. I'm not sure what God does with these people in the afterlife, maybe he makes then finally see the error of their ways, thus feeling emapthy, then forcing them to relive their life feeling the pain they caused.
Maybe all the good from the world comes from the evil people of the past, maybe that's why terrible events in history cause good things to come afterward through progress. Maybe God makes them see the damage they caused then sends them back with a pure heart. I don't know. I don't want to believe evil exists for the sake of wickedness.

 

[Kazmada]

Everything that Kazmada is saying gives me the strong impression that her ex has some serious co-dependency issues, and a strong tendency to take on the personalities, mannerisms and beliefs of the people around him. That's not always a recipe for destruction; if someone with this personality type manages to find a partner who is moderate and reasonably benevolent, then everything usually works out more or less positively. However, if a co-dependent type is already unhappy, and a cult happens to come along at precisely the right time (or wrong time, depending on the way you look at it) ... yeah.

Honestly, this is exactly right. Our relationship itself was quite co-dependent. It just wasn't in a destructive way and since we made a happy little home together for a decade and enjoyed each other's company so much, the problems with that dynamic (for both of us) didn't become evident until things fell apart.

He was a very easily influenced person. Outwardly he seemed to have very strong beliefs and opinions and would stand his ground on them firmly, but that was just the outside presentation of opinions he adopted due to who they came from and how he perceived those sources. He would rarely vary from the orthodoxy of sources he was oriented towards.

Can I ask what it was?

I can't really say without being too specific, but I'd be okay to answer questions in DM. It was basically volunteering around values he and I both shared.

 

[Road Work Ahead]

Reading this thread has made be immensely grateful to have deleted all of my social media about 10 years ago. There are people I went to school with that have almost certainly trooned/pooned out and I can live in blissful ignorance of that.

 

[Bill's Due]

Reading this thread has made be immensely grateful to have deleted all of my social media about 10 years ago. There are people I went to school with that have almost certainly trooned/pooned out and I can live in blissful ignorance of that.

Pray you never go to a high school reunion.

Imagine going to one and learning your friend Rich turned into Rachel and Tim and Jennifer are now switched to Sam and Johnny.

Blech.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Pray you never go to a high school reunion.

Imagine going to one and learning your friend Rich turned into Rachel and Tim and Jennifer are now switched to Sam and Johnny.

You go to pick up your nametag from the table and it's just

Larry
Lilith A.
Lilith C.
Lilith McG.
Lilith S.
Mike

 

[jray4559]

You go to pick up your nametag from the table and it's just

Larry
Lilith A.
Lilith C.
Lilith McG.
Lilith S.
Mike

You have it wrong. One of them at least would be named Emily.

 

[Road Work Ahead]

You have it wrong. One of them at least would be named Emily.

You forgot about the dainty ex-linebacker "Alice".

 

[Aunt Carol]

You forgot about the dainty ex-linebacker "Alice".

That nametag is over on the table with all the Aidens.

 

[Fapcop]

Are chicks named Emily particularly hot? Lilith is just a pseudo lesbian gooner name, but you’d think they’d name themselves after IRL women they find hot for some reason. So are there a lot of hot Emily’s out there?

EDIT: ALSO CHLOE!

 

[Maxwell Carter]

I was hoping that I wouldn't lose another person to troonism but god damn it, it fucking happened again.

So a while ago one of my best friends moved to Orlando. While Florida is a mostly red state IIRC, Orlando is extremely leftist and hates anyone who agrees with the right somewhat (for example: there are literal pride events there and if you go onto the subreddit, everyone hates republicans) My friend was surprisingly very conservative for a lesbian. She hated trannies, like, really hated them. But all of that changed a while ago after she moved to Orlando. She was a bit more of a tomboy but then she came out as a pooner to me and also her friend group (on Shitcord of course). They were all extremely supportive and I was told that me disapproving of her delusions was considered bigotry or something. I then stopped talking to her and that friend group.

Honestly, I don't even know if I can trust people not become troons or pooners anymore. These fucking trannies will break everyone in their vicinity.

 

[Fapcop]

I was hoping that I wouldn't lose another person to troonism but god damn it, it fucking happened again.

So a while ago one of my best friends moved to Orlando. While Florida is a mostly red state IIRC, Orlando is extremely leftist and hates anyone who agrees with the right somewhat (for example: there are literal pride events there and if you go onto the subreddit, everyone hates republicans) My friend was surprisingly very conservative for a lesbian. She hated trannies, like, really hated them. But all of that changed a while ago after she moved to Orlando. She was a bit more of a tomboy but then she came out as a pooner to me and also her friend group (on Shitcord of course). They were all extremely supportive and I was told that me disapproving of her delusions was considered bigotry or something. I then stopped talking to her and that friend group.

Honestly, I don't even know if I can trust people not become troons or pooners anymore. These fucking trannies will break everyone in their vicinity.

I’ll be your fren and won’t poon out, kiwi fren!

 

[Bill's Due]

You forgot about the dainty ex-linebacker "Alice".

Don't forget the ex-quarterback "Kay" (I threw that name out on purpose)