Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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I kinda agree with Null on there being different kinds of Transpeople.

1. Schizo types who genuinely hate women and view being one as the ultimate form of humiliation. They want to violate women's spaces and harm women. This is about revenge against Stacy, and having institutional power.

2. Sexual deviants who want fire fighters to see their grotesque form. Often pedophiles and plenty of overlap with 1.

3. Trad waifu UwU types. They failed to be the male ideal and so want to be taken care of and put on a pedestal like a Twitch girl. Unlike the first two categories, they have a very romantic view of what being a woman is like, but also a respect for traditional masculinity.

4. Normal guys with overly-traditional backgrounds that made them feel like an utter failure. They failed to fit into the masculine ideal and got hate on for it, even from so-called progressives who claimed to not value such things. They did not necessarily "fail as men", but they didn't conform to the roles and so changed based on the understanding that they would feel more comfortable with themselves.

The first two categories are lost causes, the third category will likely forever be painfully overly-edgy, and the fourth category is vulnerable to indoctrination.

If they fall into the third category just keep up bantering with them. If they fall into the fourth category, be extra sure to distinguish the subculture from the identity itself. Its like furries, the fetish in of itself isn't necessarily damning, but the subcultures are often dangerous.
I've been threw every one of these I think in a phases. Probably ending off with number 4 or 3. I feel like they are all at play but depends which one is dominant. Can't say for everyone but reading this feels like my life when it got dark. I feel like a proud 3 now.
 
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Thank you for your answers
By the way, I don't know if the reason he's so low-key is because he's not on hormonal treatment yet, but he works on his appearance, he exercises and he dresses well, he strive to pass
I hope that talking to him shows that our friendship matters more to me than any difference in opinions.
Just keep this mind that it is the small everyday acts of kindness that make all of the differences in the world. The harmful troon subculture preys on those who feel vulnerable, and isolated so preventing people from feeling that way should stop any transformation. Awareness of the subculture and how its separate from the identity itself is also important.

Sure this is a bullying forum but I would like to think that its not a place of hate and destruction. Rather, I would like to think this is a place where people feel free to be genuine, banter and laugh at emperors with no clothes.
 
NOOOO THEY ARE TURNING THE FAGGOTS INTO TRANNIES!!!

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ok thats the scariest shit i seen someone say to me on the internet.
Make a joke or don't... But I feel sorta blessed that I was allowed to be a faggot without ever crossing paths with some "expert" suggesting "maybe that fag is akshully a woman, have some estrogen"
 
Make a joke or don't... But I feel sorta blessed that I was allowed to be a faggot without ever crossing paths with some "expert" suggesting "maybe that fag is akshully a woman, have some estrogen"
you poor brainwashed soul. Faggots and trannies are the same shit one mutilates their body through foreign hormones the other through STDs. theres nothing blessed about shoving dicks up your ass. You should get some help b4 you die of STDs
 
I have two stories to share of FtMs who I have no personal investment in other than observing their behaviour after having interacted with them in the past.

The first is the daughter of bookshop owners who are best known for continually pissing off the traditionalist/conservative town they are based in with left-wing schemes, including denouncing Christmas due to celebrations being offensive to minorities. The daughter received her mother's name upon birth, which might clue you into their family dynamic. This girl studied theatre art, working on her own projects such as hanging out with hookers in an erotic gay club and locking herself into a room in an almost-naked state for a few days straight with only paint and canvas to keep her occupied. She culturally enriched a country in Asia for about a year and is currently teaching theatre to children in immigrant / refugee camps. I'm surprised she hasn't been strung up by the parents yet.

This girl always presented with shortish hair but in the past year started to require they / them pronouns and lobbed off her breasts via a mastectomy. She seems unhealthily obsessed with them though, frequently showing off her grotesque scars as well as calling attention to custom breasted stuff animals and coffee mugs with nipples. She is currently producing a webseries about breasts and recorded possibly the worst theme song in existence, which I sadly cannot share without revealing her identity. She also lived in a campervan for a while, but currently occupies a regular apartment where she expands her collection of gaudy tattoos and nose piercings.
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The other case is a girl I had physical relations with - I was older than her and ran into her right as she started her BSc in a STEM field. This was a plenty feminine person, who enjoyed riding her horses and playing games like the Sims and Assassin's Creed which are traditionaly popular with the fairer sex - I later heard she had her walls painted with a landscape taken from some indie game. While a bit chunky, this was unmistakably a woman but I suspect it was the enablers she surrounded herself with that sent her down the troon path. She ended up taking hormones, growing out facial hair but completely failing to pass, changed her name, and recently got engaged to a man that claims to be homosexual and has the nastiest hair you'll ever see. The girl now works in a dead-end job wherein she resets passwords for clueless old people all day - the Bsc and later Msc going to complete waste.

Both girls have no child-rearing ambitions and instead dote on pets instead. Neither had a history of mental illness but did sit at the centre of support networks that enabled them - the former case encouraged by her artsy friends and the strangest set of parents you'll ever meet while the latter case was encouraged by the gamer crowd that has led to so many men trooning out.


Having read this thread I feel like most of the experiences described by Farmers deal with MtF transitions, so hopefully this post will have highlighted the other side of the coin some more (or really just entertained one of you). Women are perhaps just as susceptible to being lured into irreparably damaging their bodies by subsets of society that reward such behaviour as men are. The former girl was likely a lost cause anyway with parents like the ones she has, but the latter could be seen in a different light; in this brave and stunning current year she spends her days popping hormones and pegging a man, whereas she would almost certainly have matured into a normal Cisgender mother had she been born as little as ten years earlier.

The breast girl sounds like she tried to fix her body image issues by getting rid of the parts she was obsessed with. And it obviously didn't work. She should have gotten intensive therapy instead. Hope she doesn't an hero in a few years after realising what she's done in an attempt to self cure.
 
I really hope as we get towards the decade long marker of this madness that most who detransitioned don't kill themselves. I want to see more people who go on with their lives in spite of their mistakes, and hopefully have voices to speak up when other people start detransing.
How can they 'go on with their lives' when they have destroyed the parts of their bodies that allow them to do that, unless of course they always wanted to be childfree? How can they go on with their lives, when they have to permanently take meds, for their bodies to cope with what they did to it; when they have to go through life knowing that they had a choice, and they chose incorrectly?

When majority of those people already had mental health issues, and disorders like ASD, there is no way in hell they can just 'go on with their lives', they ruined any chance of maybe fitting into a society that already stigmatises them, and now they live with a day in day out reminder.

These aren't 'mistakes', they are life altering choices that make or break their futures, and for majority of them, they are broken in every way possible.
 
How can they 'go on with their lives' when they have destroyed the parts of their bodies that allow them to do that, unless of course they always wanted to be childfree? How can they go on with their lives, when they have to permanently take meds, for their bodies to cope with what they did to it; when they have to go through life knowing that they had a choice, and they chose incorrectly?

When majority of those people already had mental health issues, and disorders like ASD, there is no way in hell they can just 'go on with their lives', they ruined any chance of maybe fitting into a society that already stigmatises them, and now they live with a day in day out reminder.

These aren't 'mistakes', they are life altering choices that make or break their futures, and for majority of them, they are broken in every way possible.

You can't unfuck a trainwreck. Depending on how deep a person went in terms of transitioning - the more blatant are the consequences of transitioning.

I said I hope, not I believe. There's a good number of people who threw themselves into cults or got into horrible accidents and haven't killed themselves, even when that shit was their fault. The more worrying issue is that a number of them ain't getting the help they need from therapy and never will due to them personality or choice wise. Even if they didn't become trans, they'd be killing themselves, that's not unexpected. Chole Segal was crazy and would do it anyway even if he wasn't trans.

I'm looking more at those not in constant debilitating pain with mild mental illnesses and just fell into a bad crowd. Most HRT only folks who don't chop their dick off or graft one on are basically mildly disabled rather than fucked. Men get off more lightly but still have to worry about increased blood clot risk, fertility, and moob surgery.

Edit: those who have puberty blockers are a mixed bag. If their parents and family still support them then they have a chance - there's enough soy parents in blue areas that honestly think their otherwise normal 7 year old will be happier as a woman, mislead rather than deranged. Kids like that have a shot if they detransition, but they're going to have shorter lives for medical reasons. Put those parents on suicide watch though.

Anyone who was transed because their parents are psycho or attention whores are just more likely to be fucked in general. If Jazz doesn't eat himself to death or an hero he'll be a lolcow/sadcow without his mom (if she dies before him or she doesn't murder suicide them) since his mom's tendrils are stuck in him deep. I doubt he'll wake up, even if he does, I could see a sheltered kid prone to binge eating becoming a drug addict and a different kind of lolcow.
Again, this isn't if Jazz's medical complications don't take him first.
 
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mildly disabled rather than fucked.
Trannydom is a symptom of underlying mental issues which other trannies exploit to convince a subject to troon out - I don't consider "mildly" and "trans" to be fitting in the same sentence, considering how much does one have to be delusional to start HRT.

With an exception for people that pretend to be trans for some reason.
 
Trannydom is a symptom of underlying mental issues which other trannies exploit to convince a subject to troon out - I don't consider "mildly" and "trans" to be fitting in the same sentence with an exception for people that pretend to be trans for some reason.
I get you, but you can see teen girls swept up in it like it's the goth or emo fad for them. They just have more permanent damage from it. Even being mildly depressed, anxious, or otherwise uncomfortable with your body can lead you to transing. Emotions felt as a teen can die down more as an adult, particularly body uncomfortableness. There's enough detransitioners already who are managing themselves alright after all they went through though.
 
I get you, but you can see teen girls swept up in it like it's the goth or emo fad for them.
Like being emo/goth, it's a phase first and foremost, and as it always is with teenage girls experimenting with retarded shit - they don't even try to commit to it.

I'm not denying that there are borderline delusional teens being coerced into trooning out - but it happens way less often than with the male counterparts.
 
A girl I was friends with during my formative years posted a picture on Facebook the other day just after having her healthy breasts butchered clean off...

I haven't spoken to her in over ten years, but... I don't know, I shouldn't have felt it like the kick in the gut I did.

I always felt solidarity and sisterhood with her as a kid, there weren't many of us that weren't into girly shit and seeing how brave she was gave me the courage to be myself just a little, just as much as I'd allow myself....

I can't believe she drank the koolaid and I'd love to know who fed it to her.

I hate TRA's, deep down I think they ALL know they're lying through their teeth just to be on the 'right side of history', just like the Nazis they're so keen to compare everyone else to. At least there's a bleak irony in their seeming lack of awareness to soften the blow.

I've still felt sick since I've found out.
 
I've always wondered what it would be like to see a girl that you've fucked full-on transition into becoming a "man". Even if you weren't that much into her, that would probably still be pure psychological trauma, akin to Oedipus finding out that he fucked his mother.
 
Had a friend a few years back who was a pretty cool girl. Great sense of humor, bit of a tomboy but still crushed on guys, was a lefty but not an insane one etc

seemingly out of nowhere (seriously it’s like my buddy was replaced with a pod person) she starts telling everyone she now identifies as a non binary bisexual transman, starts listing her preferred pronouns all over (even started wearing a fucking pin on her jacket with he/him on it) makes no effort at all to try and pass as male and sends a group message to all her friends telling us what her preferred names are (there was like 12 names there for Christ’s sake)

I’m understandably a bit taken aback after a few days of this. I call her and leave a message basically saying “Hey K (first letter of her actual name) it’s Autumnal Equinox. I’d like to talk and get a better idea of where you’re coming from in all this, please call me back when you have time.” Never hear back

the next day I see a few of our other mutual friends have texted me saying K has gone off the rails and to check her Facebook. I do and see she’s removed all of us and posted this long public screed saying that she can no longer associate with toxic people in her life that deadname her and act like the Gestapo. That she’s surrounding herself now with positive people that aren’t homophobic and transphobic trash (I’m gay and to that point had never had an issue with trans people) never heard from her again. I check her Twitter sometimes and she’s gone full blown SJW, the complete opposite of the girl I used to be friends with.

usually it’s the MtF troons that are the most nutty, but the FtM ones can be just as neurotic. I miss my friend and I still wonder what the fuck happened to make her take such a drastic change so suddenly. It really is like brainwashing
 
usually it’s the MtF troons that are the most nutty, but the FtM ones can be just as neurotic. I miss my friend and I still wonder what the fuck happened to make her take such a drastic change so suddenly. It really is like brainwashing

It's not like, man. It IS. Do you think that more people suddenly decided to mutilate themselves over the past five years, entirely on their own volition? No, they're being conditioned into this by people and media playing off of their insecurities, life problems, or mental unwellness. This is no accident, nor crime of confusion. It's the mentally ill preying on the mentally ill, over some misplaced "misery loves company" sentiment at best, and a "destroy civilization" sentiment, at worst. You'll notice that those most receptive to it tend to either be on the spectrum, or have BPD. Again, no accident.

I liken it to the big ADD/ADHD/Aspergers hyperdiagnosis from the 90s-00s. However, instead of feeding amphetamine salts to children, they're butchering their bodies.

Take up any issue with the fact that they're destroying themselves, and you're the worst Hitler who ever lived. That's the price you pay for being concerned over their health and well-being. It's teenage angst and parental rebellion that's sat in the oven for way too long. By the time they realize what they've done, suicide will be the only option left. That's the real tragedy, here. What they're doing is irreversible, and they're investing ALL of their brainpower into the idea that genital mutilation and literally becoming something that they're not, is the solution to their problems. They wake up from surgery, and realize that not only do they have all the problems they had before, but also a ton of endgame DLC, to boot. At that point, I can't blame the 41% for 41%ing.
 
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My once lesbian friend took to Facebook this week to talk about being a "trans fag" because she's a gay man now. Sigh. I hate this world.

Every fucking month another person I know comes out as trans. It gives me so much anxiety. Like, everyone I know will transition at some point, so I guess I just shouldn't try to get too close to anybody.

And I know this is hypocritical because I used to identify as trans... But God damn, how can nobody I know see how fucked this whole thing is?
 
I get you, but you can see teen girls swept up in it like it's the goth or emo fad for them. They just have more permanent damage from it. Even being mildly depressed, anxious, or otherwise uncomfortable with your body can lead you to transing. Emotions felt as a teen can die down more as an adult, particularly body uncomfortableness. There's enough detransitioners already who are managing themselves alright after all they went through though.
The thing is, I see a lot of detransitioners go on to have 'reverse dysphoria' and then acting like troons of never accepting their own responsibility, playing the victim, and whining for social media clout point. Even if they don't identify with trans anymore, they still have the mental issue that made them troon out in the first places. A lot of time they still have delusional ideas about their bodies being something that borders on lunacy. I wouldn't say that this is managing. Many want to get cosmetic procedures done - and this feed into medical establishment cashing in another trend again.

I do understand that if they've got their gonad removed, they need to be on hormones for the rest of their life... but not the cosmetic. There's a difference from truly accepting yourself as selling your body to the system, and not all can be returned or simply seeing detransition as a matter of being another hollow 'brave and stunning'.

All I wish is that those people could accept their body as what it is. And superficial traits from transitioning doesn't stop them from being men/women, if they're born as one. the appearance shouldn't matter.
 
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