You are trying to change the the scenario to fit your agenda. Lucas was at Mallon Place for the length of time I stated above. June 1st 2022 he was moved into the Mallon "apartment" (921 N Ash st) that was just around the corner from Mallon Place . All the while he was at Mallon he was able to leave Mallon Place on his own without any Mallon employee "escorting" him anywhere. Now that he is back at Mallon Place the same applies. He is able to come and go as he pleases 6am--11pm.
Another thing -- If the Creeper had been moved back to 1 of the Mallon apartments as you say, he sure would aleady made it known he was out of the "group home/aka Mallon Place" and was again living in an apartment.
I'm doing nothing of the sort, i'm stating the blatantly obvious - lucas was not in the medical unit of mallon place for 9 months. Anything that would be that serious, barring end of life pallative care and things that nature, would have meant sending lucas to the actual hospital for whatever treatment he required. Therefore he spent most of his time in mallon places regular tard housing section which does not have the same rules as a medical unit
That said, lucas is not a reliable source of any information about where he is or what he's doing at a given time. He lies constantly in bizarre, sometimes nonsensical and sometimes contradictory ways
Club Sandwich said:
i sort of think the key here is if Mallon Place has treated/housed Lucas in two different facilities - one maybe is in-patient care facility that could function as a private hospital and the other is more of a group home or nursing home format (and nursing home does not mean it is a secured facility, only that it is closed to the public and requires appointments or invitations).
They have done just that, even by lucas's own admission and with proof he provided himself accidentally. Case in point - the recent bizarre note videos were absolutely posted from within the nursing unit. Its clear from the room he was shooting in that its set up for medical purposes, note the different color scheme from his fartbox area, the handrails along the walls and the generic kind of table you always see in those kinds of facilities. The very fact he was making these videos where and how he was is proof in itself he wasn't allowed to leave on his own. He went from making videos outside a couple days before that to being stuck inside being quiet and recording notes. He wouldn't have done that by choice, he would have waddled his fat ass outside where he can rant per his usual routine. Also as usual he made a point of not mentioning the move because he knew being put back in the medical unit wasn't a good look for him. Mallon place has separate housing and medical units in case this isn't clear to anyone
mothman96 said:
Since Aug 2021 Lucas has lived in only 2 places-- Mallon Place and the apartment he was put in. Lucas calls Mallon Place the "group home". Mallon Place provides his room, meals, house keeping, laundry and a tech is responsible for administering his meds. It does not function as a more strict hospital type of institution. The LaPlants (owners of Mallon) also own several apartments and He was placed in 1 of them. By the videos he posted it does look like he was back at Mallon Place by the time he got the job at Walmart.
No. Lucas has been moved around within the mallon place system multiple times since he's arrived there, has been in multiple rooms and had multiple roommates with what appears to be various degrees of success, which he now keeps quiet about ever since that incident where he ended up calling the men with butterfly nets on one of his roommates during some kind of freak out. Something I wouldn't be surprised to find out lucas had a hand in provoking and got into some trouble for, given how he was acting the whole time
and mallon place absolutely does function as a hospital type of situation. It has a literal nursing home medical unit
Da Dude123 said:
These responses have been interesting. There is not a whole lot of information on the Internet about Mallon Place from what I can find. It is hard to say whether it is more of a nursing home, or a group home, or both. I sort of think it is sort of both. Catering to exceptional individuals like Lolcow, Lucas Werner, who also have physical health challenges, along with mental challenges.
I don't think Mallon Place is a nursing home to the extent of what most of us think of as a nursing home which has elderly people as residents. I'm sure there are some, but that is not the bulk of their demographic
Its primarily a nursing home aimed at senior residents and advertised as such in everything i've ever seen about it. Per the marketing description:
Mallon Place Inc is an Assisted Living community conveniently located in the neighborhood of Spokane, Washington on W 1724 Mallon St. Mallon Place Inc is licensed by the State of Washington to provide Assisted Living care for the elderly for up to 46 senior residents. This Assisted Living community in Spokane, WA has private and semi-private rooms for their residents.
Mallon Place Inc’s goal is to provide a caring Assisted Living environment that encourages independent lifestyle for the elderly and preserves personal dignity of each resident. Mallon Place Inc’s goal is to provide quality care possible to ensure that each resident’s needs are met at all times.
For people like lucas the government essentially subsidizes it which is the only reason he is able to live there at all
Da Dude123 said:
I do think that Mallon Place is low budget and probably poorly ran and it sounds like has trouble keeping staff. Although, nursing homes are notorious for high turnover. Working in nursing homes or group homes for that matter is hard and very depressing work. The pay ain't great, either.
This is pretty much the case in every nursing home. Fun fact, the staff only made 50 cents an hour more than I did at the ones I worked at. No fucking way i'd do their job for that kind of pay
Da Dude123 said:
If Lucas is in the group home then so long, food stamps. He is basically broke. He keeps acting like he has money to take a woman out for a $100 steak dinner. I don't get it. Is this him saying "Just you wait, baby zoom-zoom. I'll get the money for expensive steak once my job coach finds me another job"? No way would Lucas have the will power to save a couple hundred dollars. As someone said the only way would be if his payee made him save the money. If so, that money will not be take zoomers out for steak.
Barring whatever he can scam out of people online of course, lucas has admitted he makes about $13 a month after mallon place get their cut, which is probably what pushed him enough to get the walmart job. Right about the time he got his ass shitcanned from walmart he implied he had $500 on him to spend on dates. I suspect this was true but had nothing to do with him saving anything and was just the last paycheck they cut him when he got fired. Needless to say that is long gone by now. Hence lucas frequently saying stuff about being between jobs and alot of
when I get another one i'll be able to take you on a date zooner bae
HackerX said:
He's be a dream customer for a salesman from any industry, if he actually had any money. You could probably put a 1000$ can of cat food in front of him and he'd giddily brag about it for the rest of his life.
Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd actually do something like that if enough people said it was gourmet and implied it was just human grade food packaged for a cat. He'd probably dump a bunch of pepper on it and brag about it on social media about how he just had a
fancy feast fit for a gen x king
I can see the ad now....
wern wants chicken wern wants liver meow mix meow mix please deliver...by doordash or grubhub you classist bigots
HackerX said:
I'm curious what triggers the "bad look" aspect for him, considering that standard doesn't apply to just about everything else he does.
Somehow I suspect he doesn't actually see it as a bad look himself as as far as lucas is concerned anything he does is always plenty good and should never be criticized. But on some level he recognizes that other people will look at a 44 year old hobo living in a nursing home as a bad thing if for no other reason than thats where he knows very old people are sent when they can't take care of themselves anymore. As dumb as lucas is even he has enough brains to know that saying
hey baby zoom come on over and visit me at my nursing home, we can play shuffleboard, ring toss and bridge with the other residents probably isn't going to get a good response. He even tries this at times during psych ward trips, claiming he visited a stabilization unit even when most of that time was in the actual nuthouse
Cnaiur urs Skiotha said:
It's weird, he insists on "group home" (as if that sounds cool and not like sped or addict storage) and tries to obfuscate the nature of Mallon to avoid seeming elderly, but then he'll post a pic with Jamie, who looks fucking undead, plus Lucas's bloated spherical head like "just hanging with my bro, I definitely have at least one documented friend see??? Just two cool dudes" without realizing how fucking pathetic it is to pantomime male friendship with his assigned nursing home roomie who tolerates him.
Speaking of lucas trying to obfuscate the nature of mallon place.....
Lucas now claims he's living at a boarding house. Which shows how fucking stupid he is. Whatever else mallon place is, one thing it is absolutely
not is a boarding house. That is something else entirely. Him saying this immediately reminded me of that serial killer old woman dorthea puente that used to run a boarding house and then kill her boarders to claim their SS money and things of that nature and dumped the bodies in her yard then went on the run for week when the cops showed up and started digging. Lucas is exactly the target demographic for someone like her. Ironically so considering one of the drugs she used to give her victims was loxapine, which is used for treating schizophrenia
Da Dude 123 said:
Looks like Lolcow, Lucas Werner is at it again. Oh, the autism! The reason he got all the likes on his profile pic is because he looks like such a sped and ugly bum. It's not cause people like the way he looks. He cannot read people at all.
Also, the man who talked about how plenty good his sperm was and how he is "ready to be a dad" is talking about sterilizing himself? What happened to telomeres? 88 percent of Gen Z women want to have kids. Lucas said so himself.
Kinda pointless to get yourself sterilized if you're not having sex to begin with. Lucas is trying to manipulate zoomer baes with this statement seeing if he can test the waters for zoomer baes who might be interested but not want to have his wernspawn
I like how he compares himself to matt rife. Perhaps he should rethink doing that:
I mean pissing people off for saying shit about domestic violence and messaging 6 year olds to brag that their only fans whore mom bought them gifts certainly sounds like something lucas would do.....
Club Sandwich said:
how does that agree with 42 CFR, specifically 482.13 which specifies that physical restraints must be least restrictive and in accordance with the patient's care plan (it can be argued that physical restraints can include physically preventing a patient from leaving)? i'm not a medical professional, i was a sheriff's deputy, however i've never heard of a hospital's "duty of care" to include being able to either imprison a patient without court order or written order of consent (guardianship), or to mandate that patients be unable to voluntarily leave a care facility independently. patients in the states i've worked in (and to my knowledge the entirety of the US) have a right to refuse treatment and this also includes voluntarily removing themselves from a care facility with or without a discharge. a discharge is an administrative process - the patient being physically barred from leaving is, to the best of my knowledge and training, false imprisonment.
It is not false imprisonment to prevent a resident of a care facility from leaving without either being actually discharged as a resident or being authorized by the facility staff with an escort. When you are a resident you are the responsibility of the facility. You get hurt and they get sued. In that regard they are no different from hospitals. Hospital security staff have use of force authorization and use of force training specifically for these kinds of situations. At a hospital you are free to have yourself discharged under normal circumstances, but if you have already registered as a patient you are not free to leave until you have done so and you absolutely will be prevented from leaving by staff and by security until you complete a proper discharge. Hospitals and medical facilities have a duty of care to patients by definition, its literally their mandate for existing. If you did try to leave the hospital and somehow got out security would be notified, search the hospital and grounds and then call the cops to report a missing patient the moment some staff member went to administer meds or whatever and couldn't find you. I couldn't begin to count how many times i've had to stop people from leaving the ER in the middle of the night and explain what would happen if they tried to leave without going over to the receptionist to get properly discharged. Nevermind the fact that there was sign over the door explaining it but good luck getting people to pay attention to anything half the time. There are also safety requirements relating to emergencies, as the hospital staff have to know exactly how many patients are in the building in the event of a fire or any sort of incident that requires an evacuation. You'd better be able to account for the number registration records show as being in the hospital or you'll be in a world of shit when it gets out they were never there to begin with and it had emergency services personnel fucking around for no reason. Another restriction is on anyone brought in by ambulance/medevac. Anyone brought in that way has to be evaluated by a doctor before they're allowed to be discharged. Actually had a paramedic who fucked up on that one on I think it was his second day on the job and for some weird reason dropped a pickup off at the ER entrance instead of bringing him into the ambulance entrance. The guy didn't want to be there, tried to leave and started a shitshow in the ER when security refused to allow him to until he'd been evaluated
Club Sandwich said:
i think you are taking "duty of care" too far and believe it provides some legal basis for keeping Lucas at Mallon when it does not. Lucas seems free to come and go as he pleases as long as he pays for the services at Mallon and obeys the rules there
No, he's not. Not when he's in the nursing unit. Lucas's own recent actions prove this. You think he was making those bizarre note videos in the nursing unit because he was allowed to leave on his own? Thats not his MO. He was doing them outside before that and immediately started doing stuff outside after he had left the nursing unit and was back in his fartbox
Club Sandwich said:
to your specific example of Uncle Joe with a bad kidney self-discharging and falling over and breaking a hip or something. in CA, a hospital can only keep a patient on premesis legally if the care manager has a written court order that allows it, if the patient is incapacitated in some way where consent can be assumed (coma, mental delirium, et c) temporarily until such an order can be signed and issued to the hospital, or if a person has guardianship, power-of-attorney, or is their legal decision-maker (wife or parent of a minor for example). some special situations like if the patient is a danger to themselves or others, or is there under observation in a crises,
Horseshit. I've personally had to do just that more times than I can count. You are confusing not allowing a patient to discharge themselves as a patient with not allowing them to leave the premises while a registered patient. Those are two different things. The latter is done in every hospital on the planet every single day. While you are a patient, registered with the system you are the hospitals responsibility. They are required to keep you on the premises and to know where you are, both for your own safety and in case of an emergency situation such as a fire or whatever that requires an evacuation and the ability to account for every patient. If you somehow got out of the building and left without being discharged the hospital is required to notify law enforcement of a missing patient regardless of the particular circumstances. If the hospital allowed them to leave while still a patient they're going to get sued and someone is very likely going to catch charges for negligence is uncle joe breaks his hip after he left the hospital. and if by chance there were to be a fire that forced an evacuation and some patient couldn't be accounted for cause some guard didn't do his job and let him go? You better hope no firefighter gets hurt going into the building looking for them Hell the patient themselves would be risking some legal problems on that one
