Macintosh computers - The apple thread

[nonvir_1984]

1. As a desktop operating system GNU/Linux is at this point still just a hobbyist OS.
2. there needs to be more native support for software.
3. Also the entire ecosystem is a clusterfuck and because of this GNU/Linux can never catch on as a mass-use operating system.
4. What I mean by the sentence above is that you have like a million different distributions and several different desktop environments, it's all very confusing
5. I want to be able to look at an OS and say "That's Mac OS" not "That's gnome running on the linux kernel packaged by Ubuntu"
6. If the linux kernel is to ever become a real viable alternative to windows and mac os then there needs to be an actual operating system and not just some shitty group project by a bunch of shitskins or basement dwellers.

I wonder how much experience you have with any linux system. I use Windows and linux daily. I've numbered your claims, as far as I can identify them.

1. No it is not. Linux is used in many different industries at different levels: desktop, server, router, It powers many mission critical activities, inc. nuclear reactors and stuff in national security. Oh, and it is the base of android, developed by Google and based on a modified version of the Linux kernel. Linux is not a hobbyist OS, wanked over by incels in their moms basement. Your claim is false.
2. There is. If you use a major distribution, such as ubuntu, the support is there, as it is for Windows. I am yet to find one thing on windows I can't do on the ubuntu or raspberry - the two distros I use. I hasten to add, I do not do gaming, but multimedia, vid and photo editing, and a lot of researching and writing.
3. This is wrong. Microsoft announced last year that their next OS is based on Linux, Not Windows. This is for IOT, which will be more ubiquitous than desktops. (April 16, 2018 by Paul Thurrott: https://www.thurrott.com/internet-of-things-iot/156628/microsofts-next-os-based-linux-not-windows)
4. Yes, it is confusing. But the thought process is: what do I want to do? How much effort do I wish to expend? and what are my PC specs? That then brings you quickly to ubuntu, (or mint, which is ubuntu with a different desktop, but same base OS) or if it a slow, older PC, then a "light" distribution. the best ATM, is raspberry. I knew and know fuck all, but just did the research.
5. You can. You just go to the PC properties - and it tells you.
6. There is. It is debian, as the core, then tweaked in various ways. If you have a relatively new PC (and are not doing gaming), then I would recommend ubuntu. And in any case, this issue is answered in 3, above.

I am not a computer nerd. I just had limited budget and relatively modest needs - research, writing, photos and video and sound. It works a treat. Additionally, I did not want to be locked into the totalitarian ecosystem that is mac nor the anonymity and privacy nightmare that is windows - and in both cases having to pay bucks for software. On the security issue, I seem to recall some of the Snowden docs stating that a nightmare for the 5E would be baddies going across to linux. of any flavor. Most of the Vault9 hacking tools were for windows; and there was only a couple for linux.
In terms of reliability: my patched, up to date i9running windows 10 crashes much more than my ubuntu machine.
I use both systems and do not have a real preference for either. But I do think you should not not peddle fake news.

 

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I wonder how much experience you have with any linux system. I use Windows and linux daily. I've numbered your claims, as far as I can identify them...

I have used Linux on and off for 3/5ths of my life at this point, and I'm sorry, practically speaking it remains a hobbyist OS. Yes, it is used in many specialized industrial environments, so is z/OS. Yes, it generally works quite well for basic stuff, unless you run into a problem involving whatever alpha-quality tentacle of systemd has been extended most recently.

But I still run into problems like public wireless network connections where I need to dick around with settings under the hood to get things going (fighting systemd and network-manager all the way), repeated upgrades to kernel packages between boots managing to fill up my boot partition in a way that makes it very difficult to get the system to boot, shit like that. It's all stuff I can figure out, and if you stick to Ubuntu and know some technically adept people it's a good way to save money, especially for a desktop or a laptop that mainly stays at home, but if you have a bit more money* to spare Mac OS X is a lot less hassle than the alternatives. There's a reason guys like JWZ use it, and it's not just because he's a big gay.

* Apple hardware gets sold refurbished too

 

[nonvir_1984]

I have used Linux on and off for 3/5ths of my life at this point, and I'm sorry, practically speaking it remains a hobbyist OS. Yes, it is used in many specialized industrial environments, so is z/OS. Yes, it generally works quite well for basic stuff, unless you run into a problem involving whatever alpha-quality tentacle of systemd has been extended most recently.

But I still run into problems like public wireless network connections where I need to dick around with settings under the hood to get things going (fighting systemd and network-manager all the way), repeated upgrades to kernel packages between boots managing to fill up my boot partition in a way that makes it very difficult to get the system to boot, shit like that. It's all stuff I can figure out, and if you stick to Ubuntu and know some technically adept people it's a good way to save money, especially for a desktop or a laptop that mainly stays at home, but if you have a bit more money* to spare Mac OS X is a lot less hassle than the alternatives. There's a reason guys like JWZ use it, and it's not just because he's a big gay.

* Apple hardware gets sold refurbished too

Hi there. Thanks for your reply. I'm intrigued as I have had no problems that could not be fixed by a quick google - the way I solve Win problems.
I have a fairly new (12 months) lap top and took out the HDD and replaced it with an SSD on the advice of a friend who really into this. Anyway, when I travel, I take it with me and have absolutely no issue with wifi - either at home or in a public place, like a library, university or the airport lounge. I think i used it in a cafe (coffee not internet) and a hotel. I've used ubuntu for about 10 years now and I think it is the most mature system.
In respect of updates, I jusr remove the unwanted packages (again, a friend told me about this). I must confess that I don't play around on it as some folks do: it's a work horse for me. So, I would disagree that ubuntu is an enthusiast or hobbyist OS. But some of the other distros are for sure. More trouble than they are worth.
I'll ask my friends to see what they think/do - I know most of them have set ups like mine: Win machines and also ubuntu. The really good thing from my point of view is there are a variety of systems and these match temperament and pocket - and that gives access to the web to more folks.