"Mad at the Internet" - a/k/a My Psychotherapy Sessions

[Null]

plenty of cases of the cops searching apartments and arresting people for being XYZphobes though. some of them actually get thrown in prison, too. not so much in the US but in other anglosphere and euro countries this is real.

Leave, dunno what to tell Euros. Not a free place, never has been. You went from Monarchs to Monarchs. Europeans do not know how to live free.

Is there any disclosure on who and why people make the MATCH list, I mean it can and is used for censorship but who is to say that is the reason for those companies to go down how does the public know if it was legit or just a financial gag order.

Absolutely none. MATCH and other payment network blacklists are closely protected trade secrets that are incorporated into their anti-fraud systems. Their claims are that revealing the hows and whys of MATCH would enable fraudsters to better game the system. This enables them to bundle illegitimate, politically charged bans with fraud bans and protect their methodology. There is no appeal system or legal due process. You're just fucked.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Absolutely none. MATCH and other payment network blacklists are closely protected trade secrets that are incorporated into their anti-fraud systems. Their claims are that revealing the hows and whys of MATCH would enable fraudsters to better game the system. This enables them to bundle legitimate, politically charged bans with fraud bans and protect their methodology. There is no appeal system or legal due process. You're just fucked.

That is fucking horrifying. That is the shit I would expect out of the UK, Australia and Canada not the US. Then again after this pandemic I think its obvious to most that everyone in the world is either on borrowed rights or given the illusions of rights. Something huge like WW3 needs to happen for things to maybe reset; Decadency is at 200%

 

[Null]

That is the shit I would expect out of the UK, Australia and Canada not the US.

In the Commonwealth, the blacklist would be operated by the government. In the US, MC/Visa are a duopoly.

Section 230 isn’t the problem, Payment Networks are – Mad at the Internet

madattheinternet.com

 

[Disheveled Human]

In the Commonwealth, the blacklist would be operated by the government. In the US, MC/Visa are a duopoly.

Section 230 isn’t the problem, Payment Networks are – Mad at the Internet

madattheinternet.com

Yeah that issue really bothers me financial institutions should be like justice BLIND. But they can always argue about terrorism regardless of if its unfounded or not. The Patriot Act really fucked everything up when you think about it.

 

[4str4staleatherbelt]

So therefore, cry about Jared Holt being a homophobe.

You're actually just wrong. I've never heard of electric, sewage, water companies turning off essential services to individual businesses because their owner is a homophobe. People who want more self-determination in their life should be striving upwards instead of hoping to get a wagie job that they can't be fired from. With e-commerce it's a bit different, but as far as legitimate and politically unaligned business goes, I have also never heard of a company's politics getting them killed by Visa/MC. MyPillow and Chic-fil-a aren't on MATCH.

Ever heard of Hatreon or NewProject2?

 

[Null]

Ever heard of Hatreon or NewProject2?

Yes. They got put on MATCH by Mastercard/Visa. Therefore, cry about Jared Holt being a homophobe.

This logic doesn't work. Those services weren't canceled by a mob crying about homophobes. They were selectively pruned by a System. This System does not care about Jared Holt and welcomes more people adopting its approved, nonviolent ways of expressing grievance. You're not rebelling against the System by operating completely within it.

 

[4str4staleatherbelt]

It's two examples of a "company's politics getting them killed by Visa/MC" unless I'm misreading what you said.

 

[Null]

It's two examples of a "company's politics getting them killed by Visa/MC" unless I'm misreading what you said.

Nope.

Jared Holt made an edgy 2009 Facebook post calling Freshmen at his university queers. People on the right (Styx666) want him canceled from Right Wing Watch for being a homophobe, and Styx has been aggressively pushing this for multiple years now. Jared Holt gets people cancelled - so it's OK to cancel him back, right?

Adeel Raja, an independent journalist, said at the height of the recent Israel-Palestine conflict that the word "needs another Hitler". People on the right (Lilith Lovett) start begging for him to be fired too. Now in Raja's case, he was fucked either way, the Jews were going to take his badge and gun regardless. To even try and get him fired is a complete waste of time.


In both these instances, they perpetuate an abusive system of anti-freedom. This sets the conservatives up to fail long term. Since the system defines what is cancelable, there will always be more of the right to ruin than the left. All it does is validate the system's methodology, reinforce the standards for what is deemed cancelable, and beat the drums for the left to follow suit with.

You can claim it's just "holding people accountable to their own standards", but their standards fucking suck and I don't want people accountable to those standards. This is outright endorsement of something you don't actually approve of.

These people and their efforts only serves the purpose of encouraging an East Germany style domestic surveillance system where neighbors spy and report on one another. It's very cringe.


Mastercard and Visa didn't need neighbors to mob each other. They identified services that were effectively giving money to political dissidents and neutralized them.

 

[4str4staleatherbelt]

Styx's mistake is thinking it'll actually work on an enforcer of the establishment who is a literal homosexual.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

If you truly believe this dipshit statement, you should stop bitching on Twitter and go shoot people. But you won't, because you don't actually believe that.

I want to create a world I want to live in. Nobody else seems interested in that. People should stop focusing on subsisting beneath the boots of Jews and fags and start focusing on creating their own businesses that enable you to tell people to go fuck themselves. Styx never wants to inconvenience himself enough to look into what alternatives actually exist. He's more focused on playing by Jew rules and existing on Jew platforms with or without Jew blessings. You won't win that game.

Problem is, people like Styx and Razorfist are incompetent queers and they can't set anything up. These people can't deal with personal slights. If Styx or whoever asked me for help getting off-site stuff set up (like a Fediverse node, site hosting, etc) I'd still do it. Probably ask for money, but I'd do it none the less. Styx etc are happy on Jew platforms that ban cyberbullies for them and has no interest sticking their neck out to create something better.

The individual components that would enable people to completely bypass censorship already exist. But none of these people can work together.

I mostly agree, I disagree on what should be done. The focus of everyone should be to create a vanguard elite. Not elites who hold positions of power, although that would be useful, elites who never compromise on their ideology and who are skilled and talented in their particular field. This was the strategy of Lenin, and Lenin won (until he got sick and died unsummarily).

The way to win long term is to never compromise. Lenin ruthlessly went after communists who did not align with him; trying to kick dweebs out of the movement. Lenin was still writing hitpieces and counter arguments against Trotsky when he was leader of the early soviet union! Comprising is what did Bismarck in, particularly on the issue of universal male sufferage. What the dissident right must do is kick dweebs like styx and razorfist out.

Using the tactics of your opponent is only useful when you have equal power. What styx did was dumb and I'm not defending it. What's better is to cancel people who go against conservative values by using conservative values. E.i. "what!? you're against the second amendment? Fire this guy from his job and black list him from public life." But no one will take that seriously because conservatives don't have power

 

[Null]

I'm definitely pro shitting on retards.

 

[buying gf]

Damn, Null, you really liked that Ted Kaczynski article about how the system reinforces itself. Just be careful not to OD on tedpills.

 

[Aquinas]

where can i get some tedpills, those sound based as fuck

 

[Trig.Point]

In the Commonwealth, the blacklist would be operated by the government. In the US, MC/Visa are a duopoly.

Section 230 isn’t the problem, Payment Networks are – Mad at the Internet

madattheinternet.com

The UK has started copying the US system where banks will shut down the accounts, of right wing figures such as Mark Collett, Laura Towler etc.

At least if a government takes action against someone they're entitled to a day in court to fight it.

When Twitter banned trump, both France and Germany came out and issued statements that it should not be up to a private company to decide who or who can't access a platform. That should be the role of goverenment.

 

[DumbDude42]

I mostly agree, I disagree on what should be done. The focus of everyone should be to create a vanguard elite. Not elites who hold positions of power, although that would be useful, elites who never compromise on their ideology and who are skilled and talented in their particular field. This was the strategy of Lenin, and Lenin won (until he got sick and died unsummarily).

The way to win long term is to never compromise. Lenin ruthlessly went after communists who did not align with him; trying to kick dweebs out of the movement. Lenin was still writing hitpieces and counter arguments against Trotsky when he was leader of the early soviet union! Comprising is what did Bismarck in, particularly on the issue of universal male sufferage. What the dissident right must do is kick dweebs like styx and razorfist out.

Using the tactics of your opponent is only useful when you have equal power. What styx did was dumb and I'm not defending it. What's better is to cancel people who go against conservative values by using conservative values. E.i. "what!? you're against the second amendment? Fire this guy from his job and black list him from public life." But no one will take that seriously because conservatives don't have power

you can not "kick out" anybody because there is no formal organisation or power structure anybody could be kicked out of. the "dissident right" is not a serious political force, it does not even try to be and anybody who even gets the idea is scooped up and neutralized by the system faster than you can say "glow"

your comparisons with lenin are interesting, and probably useful when it comes to how to build and manage an effective political organisation. but you also have to keep in mind that lenin and his movement were completely powerless and frustrated for the longest time and could not even dream of achieving anything on their own. the dude had to live in exile and had exactly zero (0) power or influence over what happens in russia.

what gave them the opportunity to actually become a serious political force (and get within reach of any kind of power) was the disastrous collapse of tsarist russia caused by losing the world war, combined with the aid of a foreign enemy (imperial gemany) in facilitating lenins return to russia.

my point is, no matter how pure and trve kvlt the 'dissident right' becomes, it will remain entirely worthless and have zero prospects at getting anything done unless a world war tier catastrophe devastates the western world and loosens the grip its governments have on power. without a catalyst like that, all these fringe politicringe movements are doomed to spend their entire lives as perpetually angry outcasts who rant about ideology day in day out and never ever accomplish anyything.

 

[Null]

I finished that video.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

you can not "kick out" anybody because there is no formal organisation or power structure anybody could be kicked out of. the "dissident right" is not a serious political force, it does not even try to be and anybody who even gets the idea is scooped up and neutralized by the system faster than you can say "glow"

your comparisons with lenin are interesting, and probably useful when it comes to how to build and manage an effective political organisation. but you also have to keep in mind that lenin and his movement were completely powerless and frustrated for the longest time and could not even dream of achieving anything on their own. the dude had to live in exile and had exactly zero (0) power or influence over what happens in russia.

what gave them the opportunity to actually become a serious political force (and get within reach of any kind of power) was the disastrous collapse of tsarist russia caused by losing the world war, combined with the aid of a foreign enemy (imperial gemany) in facilitating lenins return to russia.

my point is, no matter how pure and trve kvlt the 'dissident right' becomes, it will remain entirely worthless and have zero prospects at getting anything done unless a world war tier catastrophe devastates the western world and loosens the grip its governments have on power. without a catalyst like that, all these fringe politicringe movements are doomed to spend their entire lives as perpetually angry outcasts who rant about ideology day in day out and never ever accomplish anyything.

Yes, nothing will ever get done if there's no disaster to weaken the cathedral. we must accept that within our lifetimes we might not ever see change. What you can do is build something for the future. Make yourself wealthy and pass that to your kids, but also, make an organised dissident structure so that when the time does come the right isn't scrambling to put together a coherent front. Lenin disavowed petty political violence like assassinations. Political violence is always bad. The type of structure the right can hope to achieve is something that's completely underground, and maybe operating in a different country like how Lenin and his buddies were exiled from Russia.

Of course you can't kick anybody out of "the movement," but you can keep them out of the organised movement.

 

[Fools Idol]

I finished that video.

Who's boot do you want on your throat, a statists jackboot or a fags high heels?

 

[Dickxon]

I finished that video.

Already doesn't load for me. Can read the comments, but the video itself doesn't even start.
GG Google, always quick when it comes to protecting the creeps, Susan deserves a Harvey Weinstein Award.

 

[Ellesse_warrior]

Already doesn't load for me. Can read the comments, but the video itself doesn't even start.
GG Google, always quick when it comes to protecting the creeps, Susan deserves a Harvey Weinstein Award.

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