"Mad at the Internet" - a/k/a My Psychotherapy Sessions

Null said:
I argued with him on Twitter in private before he just condemned me and shut down, basically accusing me of having zero ethics or morality, for allowing people to post addresses online. I have no faith in libertarianism anymore. All people care about is the coom and their own convenience and desires. Dank wants privacy enforced like copyright, Dick wants lolicon, the trannies want HRT for kids. It's just nauseating. Nobody cares about real problems.

British people / UKrits in general can't understand American liberty, and how you sometimes sacrifice a little security to ensure your liberty is not attacked.
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As much as I believe in individual freedom, Covid has taught me that the average person craves being controlled and is desperate to be told what to do in exchange for the illusion of safety and the comfort of being part of a movement. You might as well control people in a way that benefits society instead of deliberately trying to demoralize them to make them easier to control.
 
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Null said:
I argued with him on Twitter in private before he just condemned me and shut down, basically accusing me of having zero ethics or morality, for allowing people to post addresses online. I have no faith in libertarianism anymore. All people care about is the coom and their own convenience and desires. Dank wants privacy enforced like copyright, Dick wants lolicon, the trannies want HRT for kids. It's just nauseating. Nobody cares about real problems.
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libertarianism by definition only really cares about the individual and refuses to look further than that. this makes it incapable of caring about real problems, which tend to arise on the level of society as a whole, or at least subgroups of society, not at the individual level.
 
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Jack Awful said:
As much as I believe in individual freedom, Covid has taught me that the average person craves being controlled and is desperate to be told what to do in exchange for the illusion of safety and the comfort of being part of a movement. You might as well control people in a way that benefits society instead of deliberately trying to demoralize them to make them easier to control.
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It's a bit different. even though the US is and was a very stable country you still had life threaten riots regularly. These riots would often involve clashes between two opposing groups. You don't see this today because people have been infantilized by the modern world. So when mother government steps in and says certain things to the child like public, they follow because they have never matured.

This is something subtle that people have to get through their heads because it's very important: the government today is a maternal figure, not a paternal one. That's a big and important difference.
 
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Null said:
He claims to have been assaulted in the street twice. I asked if he thought, since people can identify him in the street, if maybe a person dedicated to killing him could just follow him home without the forum's help, since his city is already public. He said he had received private security training and would know if someone was trailing him.
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The guy who went to jail for free speech is against free speech? He doesn't realize he's notorious enough that people in the city probably talk about where he lives? If asked at the local pub, someone could more than likely point it out.

He ran for office a couple time but lost. If he won, did he expect no one to disclose where the local representative lives? Voters have the right to address them.
 
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R00T said:
He's just as likely to get a molotov through the window just because.
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To argue there's no security risk related to having your personal info published, particularly on a site that makes a big deal about ways to prevent it, is hypocritical and subsequent arguments of the "but you can blow their head off if they show up at your door" type outright embarrassing if coming from anyone but teenage lolbertarians. No one wants to live in a world like that.
Approaching doxing as a free speech issue is legitimate. But don't pretend people's lives can't be affected.
 
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shameful existence said:
To argue there's no security risk related to having your personal info published, particularly on a site that makes a big deal about ways to prevent it, is hypocritical and subsequent arguments of the "but you can blow their head off if they show up at your door" type outright embarrassing if coming from anyone but teenage lolbertarians. No one wants to live in a world like that.
Approaching doxing as a free speech issue is legitimate. But don't pretend people's lives can't be affected.
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My argument was more along the lines of "Kiwi Farms posted my address therefore I am at greater risk to get firebombed." The reality of that statement is that the usual browser of this forum (doxes are hidden behind special tags so only those with an account can view it) are not likely to go firebombing someone's house. Looking at what else I said in that post, a few posts later, and what others have said expressing his own hypocrisy to the idea. He has a PO Box at the bottom of every one of his videos. Why isn't he afraid of getting attacked while picking up packages?

The man ran for political office. I'm just pointing out the fact that if his life is truly affected by this then why hasn't he taken any other steps in an effort for the sake of privacy? Why did KF happen to be the first and only time?
 
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Null said:
It was just DMs. There's nothing juicy. He just thinks that your address is like your trademark and you should be able to send takedown notices about it. He said that if I allowed his address on the site, it would be putting his child at risk of getting molotoved by terrorists. I said that criminals are responsible for crimes, not phonebooks. He said I had no morals and he lost respect for me (which I didn't know he had).
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lol @ angloid faggots who think they should be able to post videos with their face online, advocating for whatever the fuck, and then not be treated as a public figure with a public address (keyword: PUBLIC). It's like you said a few months ago, we broke the system. Before, if you wanted to be a politician or famous or whatever, you had to go to hollywood and get raped a few times, then you got a bullshit job and stacks of cash. But now people expect the same for sitting on their asses doing ameteur youtube videos. Same shit with politispergs.
shameful existence said:
To argue there's no security risk related to having your personal info published, particularly on a site that makes a big deal about ways to prevent it, is hypocritical and subsequent arguments of the "but you can blow their head off if they show up at your door" type outright embarrassing if coming from anyone but teenage lolbertarians. No one wants to live in a world like that.
Approaching doxing as a free speech issue is legitimate. But don't pretend people's lives can't be affected.
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That's not what he said bro. To invoke the autismal Skeptics™ that dank would probably be counted among, that's a Strawman™. Besides, if he really gave a shit about this issue, then he would have taken measures himself to safeguard his own privacy (like null does by not saying the name of his social security number soda). But no, he wanted to be the famous meme man on political youtube. People's lives are more affected by fucking car accidents than by doxing, and dank knows this. He probably just considers it bad optics to say as much.
Which reminds me of the lolicon debate dank had with louis le vau. He knows deep down that louis is right about the criminalization of drawings, but didn't say so before the debate because he considered it bad optics. When faced with the irrefutable truth, he concedes. However, in retrospect I must reassess whether or not this actually helped dank further along the path of degenerate libertarian thought. Who can say for sure. Truly, it is upon a razor's edge we walk.
 
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shameful existence said:
To argue there's no security risk related to having your personal info published, particularly on a site that makes a big deal about ways to prevent it, is hypocritical and subsequent arguments of the "but you can blow their head off if they show up at your door" type outright embarrassing if coming from anyone but teenage lolbertarians. No one wants to live in a world like that.
Approaching doxing as a free speech issue is legitimate. But don't pretend people's lives can't be affected.
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Addresses have been public forever. This idea that nobody should ever know what your home is besides the government is a recent phenomena.
 
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R00T said:
The reality of that statement is that the usual browser of this forum (doxes are hidden behind special tags so only those with an account can view it) are not likely to go firebombing someone's house.
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Most doxes I've come across here are public and I'm pretty sure I saw one edited from private to public by a moderator due to not being a "first page dox", so I suppose the preferred way is for them to be visible to everyone. The rest is obviously true.
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Why isn't he afraid of getting attacked while picking up packages?
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Because he's not sending his kids there? From what I've understood, they are his primary concern.
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why hasn't he taken any other steps in an effort for the sake of privacy?
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I don't know what steps he's taken. I was responding to you questioning the very idea that having your personal info public makes you more vulnerable to lunatics. It does. That's why you start losing even your usual freeze peach advocates on this issue. It's not about having your feelings hurt by someone's political opinions on the internet. It's about nutjobs that may or may not be there knowing your family's whereabouts. Maybe it's still worth it from a principled stand point, I don't know. I just don't think it's banal.
 
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Another thought on the Buck Breaking clips.

So prison is one way that the huwite man destroys black male maskalinity because of the rape that happens there. But decriminalizing marijuana has also led to a destruction of black male maskalinity. But persecution of people for marijuana crimes disproportionately affects black people and is one reason they get sent to prison. So to protect black male maskalinity, we should recriminalize marijuana but I guess also not persecute black males for marijuana crimes, I guess… I give up.
 
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R00T said:
The reality of that statement is that the usual browser of this forum (doxes are hidden behind special tags so only those with an account can view it) are not likely to go firebombing someone's house.
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Anyone willing literally to firebomb someone's house is also going to be willing to do the 10 minutes of Google searches the average dox here takes.
 
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shameful existence said:
Most doxes I've come across here are public and I'm pretty sure I saw one edited from private to public by a moderator due to not being a "first page dox", so I suppose the preferred way is for them to be visible to everyone. The rest is obviously true.

Because he's not sending his kids there? From what I've understood, they are his primary concern.

I don't know what steps he's taken. I was responding to you questioning the very idea that having your personal info public makes you more vulnerable to lunatics. It does. That's why you start losing even your usual freeze peach advocates on this issue. It's not about having your feelings hurt by someone's political opinions on the internet. It's about nutjobs that may or may not be there knowing your family's whereabouts. Maybe it's still worth it from a principled stand point, I don't know. I just don't think it's banal.
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Look at newer threads. The dox box is newer and I'm sure a lot of threads haven't been updated. That should be fixed. The editing was happening because people were using the dox box incorrectly so unless you provide an example as to when a dox was revealed instead of hidden I don't think that's an argument.

If someone can find his PO Box they are that much closer to his children. They can follow him home, they could mail him the bomb instead of throwing it through his window. I never said having your personal info online wasn't an issue. What I was having an issue with was Dankula explicitly stating terrorists were going to bomb his house because his address was posted on Kiwi Farms. That implies he thinks the users of this site are violent terrorists. I then also stated he would be just as likely to have someone attack him... because he's a public figure. He's been running for political office, having public meetings, and fighting a hate speech case that has been ongoing with an international following... for years.

I take more offense that he says Null has no morals just because his morals are different. Its a crummy tactic and ruins any potential argument he has. Also don't associate my statement with some sort of watered down free speech spergery. It has nothing to do with that it has to do with the Dankula's hypocrisy on the matter.
 
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Has anyone else mentioned for Josh's benefit that catholic theology contains the concept of "Invincible Ignorance" which essentially means it isn't your fault you didnt know about jesus if you couldn't have known.

Like everything in catholicism it has lots of exceptions and quantifying points, but it essentially means people who lived moral lives but could not have known about the church still have the opportunity for salvation.

One of the difficulties is in culture, where cultures who are invincibly ignorant of the church and believe it is acceptable to, eg. wantonly rape captured women. Committing mortal sins is a disqualifier from the invincible ignorance = salvation, the church does not believe in moral relativism, none of that 'its their culture to abuse women in short dresses'.

Some things to remember when looking at mortal sin are:
  • The church does not get to judge how bad something is, only god can do that, and god has perfect knowledge of the situation. They do offer guidance on what Gods take will be though.
  • Mortal sin is not strictly defined, it is affected by how bad it was, how aware you were of how bad it was, and how much you wanted to do it.
  • Theres a big list of 'grave actions' that could be mortal sins depending on the situation.
  • Mortal sins happen, there is always the chance for absolution for those who truly seek to repent.
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The ignorant pre collumbian exchange mexicans would not automatically go to hell for not knowing about jesus, but also many of their cultures unashamedly promoted a lot of stuff that probably did not help their standing with God.
 
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