Mad Men - “Let them open the kimono.” — Burt Cooper

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GGSurvivor

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I’m surprised there’s no thread discussing Mad Men on here. I know the show has been over a decade at this point, but I can’t help but keep thinking about it.

There was a clear peak of the show at around seasons 4-5 and then a slight drop off. I recall a lot of videos at the time of the finale and for the next few years after that they did character analysis of Don, Pete, etc.

Me personally, I shifted my self-insertion over the years and it’s stayed with Burt Cooper. He doesn’t have a single bad scene, and not to politisperg but his best scene was with the psychologist guy at the party saying civil rights was a slippery slope- you just know that the creators wanted to portray them as oldfags who aren’t with the times, but they were right. He also likes Ayn Rand.

What’s your thoughts on the show?
 
I wasn't exactly the target demographic for the show when it was airing, and I didn't have access to it anyway. But I do remember people talking about it as one of those definitive TV show events everyone seemed to be watching. Is it worth starting now?
 
Having grown up in that era, I could relate to the show quite a bit. Without power leveling too much, my dad's job was one of the guys who dealt with the Ad Agencies and though I never knew exactly what he did, I did get a better idea of what his business lunches/dinners were all about. It was kind of fun imagining him being taken to lunch by guys like Don and Roger and getting a glimpse of what went on when he went to meetings in NYC.
 
Lisa Frank Abomination said:
I wasn't exactly the target demographic for the show when it was airing, and I didn't have access to it anyway. But I do remember people talking about it as one of those definitive TV show events everyone seemed to be watching. Is it worth starting now?
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Absolutely. I just re-watched it about a year ago and not only was it better than I remembered but it easily secured a spot in my top 3 shows. Great writing, great performances, great themes and autistically period-accurate sets and costumes. It's fantastic.
 
Fully Eshay Skits Bruh V4 said:
The main question is, who was in the right?
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Pete was in the right because Harry is a high strung neurotic who was just seeking validation.

On another note:

I think the only character I didn’t like toward the end was Joan. You actually see the same thing happen in Suits with Donna, but the former is a better character than the latter. Joan basically gets flattened into an entitled girlboss whose loyalty is to money alone over the people she worked with for over a decade. She also was a *manager* and there was no realistic way she could’ve ever taken over the numbers for Lane.
 
From The Uncanny Valley said:
Pete is a shitweasel
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Pete is chudcoded, but back then the chud got the job and the girl.


GGSurvivor said:
I think the only character I didn’t like toward the end was Joan.
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In retrospect I think you're right. She didn't really get a good conclusion and the themes of her story don't resonate or cohere. It's almost like an accidental indictment of the career woman lifepath.

By contrast I was surprised how much I liked Peggy when I first watched the show.
 
I could not get into Boardwalk Empire. I cannot buy Steve Buscemi as a gangster let alone a boss. I had the same problem with his guest role on Sopranos. He's a weird-faced, twiggy nerd. Best casting for him in a role like that was in Miller's Crossing where he's a gay tweaker conman.
 
GGSurvivor said:
I think the only character I didn’t like toward the end was Joan. You actually see the same thing happen in Suits with Donna, but the former is a better character than the latter. Joan basically gets flattened into an entitled girlboss whose loyalty is to money alone over the people she worked with for over a decade. She also was a *manager* and there was no realistic way she could’ve ever taken over the numbers for Lane.
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About two months ago, YT shorts kept showing me clips of this show and whenever there is some Joan scene, the comments were "oh, wow, this is so realistic to what women really went through during that time... That's because the writers are female!"

There is a considerable number of feminists who are so wrong about the actual lives of women of the past despite that's often what they keep citing as the reason for feminist existing.

"Women need feminism because women in the past were always raped and couldn't have jobs!"

"Erm, my grandma had a job, she was fairly paid, and she loved her husband!"

"AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH"
 
Tasty Tatty said:
About two months ago, YT shorts kept showing me clips of this show and whenever there is some Joan scene, the comments were "oh, wow, this is so realistic to what women really went through during that time... That's because the writers are female!"

There is a considerable number of feminists who are so wrong about the actual lives of women of the past despite that's often what they keep citing as the reason for feminist existing.

"Women need feminism because women in the past were always raped and couldn't have jobs!"

"Erm, my grandma had a job, she was fairly paid, and she loved her husband!"

"AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH"
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The women I've talked to about the show only ever self-insert as Peggy or (ugly fat ones) Joan. The best female character of the show *are* Megan and Fae for sure, because they're the most """stable""" and aren't totally retarded.
 
The second half of that show's run always seemed to me as being faintly feminist coded as in most of the men came off poorly, while many of the women were noble in an era of MISOGYNY!!!1!

Still a good series and it and Boardwalk Empire should be talked about more these days.

EDIT: And I'm going to fucking say this: Joan was built like a refrigerator on legs.
 
Joan had a nice body at the beginning, then she gained weight. I thought the actress got pregnant, but she did not. It was all hers.
 
Actually I’m probably being unfair to Boardwalk Empire since that show still gets brought up on occasion. Now Bomb Girls, that shit fucking died so hard that not even the lesbian feminists it was pandering to remember it.
 
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