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  • Wizards of the Coast

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  • Jeremy

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  • The Professor

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  • Wedge

    Votes: 19 26.8%
  • MTG Lion

    Votes: 14 19.7%
  • The Cosplayer

    Votes: 27 38.0%
  • Rudy

    Votes: 10 14.1%
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  • CrunkLord420

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After reading this thread I honestly wonder how these speds have time to play Magic if they spend this much time bitching about it. I do wonder if this will have any effect Wizards' earnings when the release the next set at the end of the month.

Granted that might not be an issue since Standard has been shit anyway and I doubt Rivals will help that.
 
After reading this thread I honestly wonder how these speds have time to play Magic if they spend this much time bitching about it. I do wonder if this will have any effect Wizards' earnings when the release the next set at the end of the month.

Granted that might not be an issue since Standard has been shit anyway and I doubt Rivals will help that.

Most/all of his MagicGate supporters are old GamerGater/alt right types. Like with ComicsGate, it's the main guy pushing it actually into it, and the rest of them just anti-SJW types seeing it as a battlefield for their faggy 'culture war' garbage. I'd be shocked to find if even a third of the people that watch his videos and have been following his stuff recently have ever played the game.
 
Most/all of his MagicGate supporters are old GamerGater/alt right types. Like with ComicsGate, it's the main guy pushing it actually into it, and the rest of them just anti-SJW types seeing it as a battlefield for their faggy 'culture war' garbage. I'd be shocked to find if even a third of the people that watch his videos and have been following his stuff recently have ever played the game.
Comicsgate, while a contrived and cringey name for sure, at least achieved a big part of its aims with the mass culling at Marvel Comics. This is due to multiple factors:
  1. Comic book shipments are a known and consistently measured quantity, Diversity and Comics always does a monthly video discussing sales and ties his points about specific comics to their actual sales. A lot of the companies also release quarterly figures, such as IDW disclosing that they were ~91% below their earnings targets. When your movement can point towards tangible results, it creates a huge difference when mobilizing people and calling for mass change on your opponent's part. D&C frequently talks about "100,000 comic fans who are willing to come back", note the relative specificity of that number and how conservative it actually is, he didn't promise millions of fans, he made a reasonable estimate based on the number of views he has and the sales drop that happened. MTG on the other hand, seems far more opaque to me because you're talking about a very niche, centralized industry (and even then, only one franchise) that can direct the narrative far more easily than a decentralized industry can.
  2. The comics market itself was on the instigators' side, a lot of comics shops were forced by Marvel's incompetence to either close or pivot to other nerdy things, it all came to a head when shop owners loudly protested against Marvel's higher ups at NYCC, and when the customers start shouting at you, you better start listening.
  3. The comics spergs are far more strategic and competent than their MTG counterparts, you can see this from their videos, especially D&C, who while spergy at times and has had low production values, you quickly see that he clearly knows what he's doing. Compare this to Jeremy, who has been kind of inept at making his case to the public, even a relatively disinterested Metokur was far more effective at driving an audience into action than him, which speaks volumes to me.
 
faggy 'culture war' garbage.
Either you don't get, or you are siding with the Tumblrinas.

The failure to successfully fight and win the Culture War is exactly what led the current insanity of today's politics, and it goes much fucking deeper than simple pop culture. Colleges for example. You know one of the things they do, is pipeline people directly into State Department jobs or State Department cock puppet "NGO" organizations around the world. And who has control over those? Yeah, the very same people who are now openly driving white men out of colleges as fast as possible. And thats just one example. The large scale censoring of the internet, Google, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, and everything below them? Every facet of society. All of it. "Communist Core" and all the other shitting up of our public schools, all of it. All of it. Because the wrong people have been winning the war, step by step.

As insufferable as the Fundie Christian "Right" was, they would have been infinitely preferrable to the current shit.

Anyone and everyone who laughs, especially now, at the Culture War, and say it either shouldn't be fought or is stupid, is a part of the problem, because thanks to GG, it doesn't matter if you have been paying attention.
 
I do wonder if this will have any effect Wizards' earnings when the release the next set at the end of the month.

Granted that might not be an issue since Standard has been shit anyway and I doubt Rivals will help that.

Hasbro has been 'up' for the most part for the year, but Mark Rosewater (head of MTG R&D) has gone on to say that the game has lost over 8 million active players within a three year span, which does correlate to their change in card stock and shift from three yearly releases to two. The overall player response has been so bad towards this that Rosewater confirmed that core releases will return starting in 2019.

TLDR; MTG fucked up in some places, but it wasn't SJWs driving the backlash.
 
Either you don't get, or you are siding with the Tumblrinas.

Couldn't theoretically I just convert to Islam, and then keep doing everything I'm doing now and just have the landwhales fight on my behalf? Seems like the better option, I'm going down that route.

Comicsgate, while a contrived and cringey name for sure, at least achieved a big part of its aims with the mass culling at Marvel Comics. This is due to multiple factors:
  1. Comic book shipments are a known and consistently measured quantity, Diversity and Comics always does a monthly video discussing sales and ties his points about specific comics to their actual sales. A lot of the companies also release quarterly figures, such as IDW disclosing that they were ~91% below their earnings targets. When your movement can point towards tangible results, it creates a huge difference when mobilizing people and calling for mass change on your opponent's part. D&C frequently talks about "100,000 comic fans who are willing to come back", note the relative specificity of that number and how conservative it actually is, he didn't promise millions of fans, he made a reasonable estimate based on the number of views he has and the sales drop that happened. MTG on the other hand, seems far more opaque to me because you're talking about a very niche, centralized industry (and even then, only one franchise) that can direct the narrative far more easily than a decentralized industry can.
  2. The comics market itself was on the instigators' side, a lot of comics shops were forced by Marvel's incompetence to either close or pivot to other nerdy things, it all came to a head when shop owners loudly protested against Marvel's higher ups at NYCC, and when the customers start shouting at you, you better start listening.
  3. The comics spergs are far more strategic and competent than their MTG counterparts, you can see this from their videos, especially D&C, who while spergy at times and has had low production values, you quickly see that he clearly knows what he's doing. Compare this to Jeremy, who has been kind of inept at making his case to the public, even a relatively disinterested Metokur was far more effective at driving an audience into action than him, which speaks volumes to me.

All I know is when I read their Reddits (which is by far their biggest convergence areas, lets not pretend they're all without a homeland...), most of them will say shit about how they don't actually read the shit, but wanted to "and now they won't!". They seem to be under the impression big tit comics literally aren't allowed to exist, and actually seem completely ignorant on anything outside of the most mainstream capeshit to begin with.

I'm not going to sit here and say SJW Marvel was on the right track and got knocked off of it, but the big "takeover" was clearly just them throwing shit at the wall to see what stuck; some did and some didn't, so they trimmed the fat and kept the shit that pulled it's weight, so to speak. ____gaters in general aren't as disciplined as they'd like you to believe, and I'm not convinced at all suddenly hundreds of thousands of people, who clearly weren't that interested in the shit before they realized le SJWs were fucking with it in the first place, are all suddenly going to come stampeding back in now that the threat's been vanquished.

These guys like the idea of the "consumer revolt", very few of them actually put that money where their mouths are when it comes time to deliver.
 
Jeremy talks about another pedo in this video

https://twitter.com/UnsleevedMedia/status/949355814317326338 (https://archive.fo/ES9m7)
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https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/948436716360122368 (https://archive.fo/aPjqW)
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MTG Lion is practically putting out more videos about Jeremy than Jeremy at this point

Pretty much all the same shit but there's another YouTuber called DesolatorMagic who has been making some videos too
 
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All I know is when I read their Reddits (which is by far their biggest convergence areas, lets not pretend they're all without a homeland...), most of them will say shit about how they don't actually read the shit, but wanted to "and now they won't!". They seem to be under the impression big tit comics literally aren't allowed to exist, and actually seem completely ignorant on anything outside of the most mainstream capeshit to begin with.

I'm not going to sit here and say SJW Marvel was on the right track and got knocked off of it, but the big "takeover" was clearly just them throwing shit at the wall to see what stuck; some did and some didn't, so they trimmed the fat and kept the shit that pulled it's weight, so to speak. ____gaters in general aren't as disciplined as they'd like you to believe, and I'm not convinced at all suddenly hundreds of thousands of people, who clearly weren't that interested in the shit before they realized le SJWs were fucking with it in the first place, are all suddenly going to come stampeding back in now that the threat's been vanquished.

These guys like the idea of the "consumer revolt", very few of them actually put that money where their mouths are when it comes time to deliver.
You see, here is where you're wrong my friend, you're checking Reddit when it's clear that isn't where this particular war is waged (r/comics is neutral as far as I've seen), this war is waged through YouTube videos and Twitter. I am in the early stages of working on a community thread detailing this. There was an attempt to have a KiA style subreddit, but it failed miserably AFAIK, with only one topic.

Also, this is different from the other 'gates in that AFAIK, there is no single instigating incident like thezoepost or a cosplayer making a call out post. It's strictly a consumer revolt against comics they don't like, and actual shipping numbers are on their side, hence the sweeping changes the new Editor-in-Chief is making, with him cancelling multiple exceptional comicbooks, with said authors shrieking on Twitter as a result.

Now you may find those consumers exceptional, but whatever they're doing is now working, with multiple pieces of evidence in their favour.

Now maybe whatever new books are launched to replace the cancelled ones aren't to those consumers liking, but that remains to be seen as those books are still in the early stages.

I'm gonna stop here because I'm spoiling my thread lol.
 
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Jeremy talks about another pedo in this video

https://twitter.com/UnsleevedMedia/status/949355814317326338 (https://archive.fo/ES9m7)
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https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/948436716360122368 (https://archive.fo/aPjqW)
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MTG Lion is practically putting out more videos about Jeremy than Jeremy at this point

Pretty much all the same shit but there's another YouTuber called DesolatorMagic who has been making some videos too

Desolator Magic is a dumpster fire all his own. His stance on alcohol is its bad and if you drink alcohol then somebody in your family should be killed by drunk driver. Another favourite of mine was he believes gay conversion therapy actually works because they’re mentally ill.

But don’t disagree with him guys because if you do you’re an idiot.
 
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Desolator Magic is a dumpster fire all his own. His stance on alcohol is its bad and if you drink alcohol then somebody in your family should be killed by drunk driver. Another favourite of mine was he believes gay conversion therapy actually works because they’re mentally ill.

I knew that guy was a sped, but I didn't realize he was this crazy.
 
Jeremy talks about another pedo in this video

https://twitter.com/UnsleevedMedia/status/949355814317326338 (https://archive.fo/ES9m7)
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https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/948436716360122368 (https://archive.fo/aPjqW)
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MTG Lion is practically putting out more videos about Jeremy than Jeremy at this point

Pretty much all the same shit but there's another YouTuber called DesolatorMagic who has been making some videos too

Now I haven't been reading up the past few days, has he found any active players/sexual predators? Or is he still leaning entirely on "Well their number hasn't been banned, is my point..."?
 
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Now I haven't been reading up the past few days, has he found any active players/sexual predators? Or is he still leaning entirely on "Well their number hasn't been banned, is my point..."?
I dunno, I guess he's complaining he's not DCI banned.
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The judges not being DCI banned is actually very important for Jeremy's argument. They use your DCI number to register for judge classes, take tests for the judge program, and play the game in tournaments. The judges not being DCI banned essentially means that they can go right back to judging or progress further in the program. Jeremy's just going about this in the most retarded way possible.
 
I like how this entire thread has spiraled from sperging out because some nerd got fucking banned from playing MTG for the rest of his life, to a fucking firestorm of judges being outed as convicted fucking pedophiles, with WOTC being complicit about it. You just cannot make this shit up.
 
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Know what would be even better for his argument? A single pedo that is currently, or was even recently, affiliated with the program after being arrested.

Because hand to god, if he's found one, I haven't seen it despite actually watching the guys output. I would assume that if he did, that would be the one thing he needed, and would just run around throwing it in everyones face screaming "See see I was right see!".

You just cannot make this shit up

That's just it though; it all looks made up.
 
Know what would be even better for his argument? A single pedo that is currently, or was even recently, affiliated with the program after being arrested.

I saw a slide for a Jason Long who was apparently jailed in 2005 for banging a 14-year-old and running tournaments in 2016 when he got picked up for offering teenagers cash for sex. That's pretty recent.
 
I saw a slide for a Jason Long who was apparently jailed in 2005 for banging a 14-year-old and running tournaments in 2016 when he got picked up for offering teenagers cash for sex. That's pretty recent.

Which video? The dude's been throwing up so much shit and so much of it doesn't check out the way he said it's supposed to.
 
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IMC is pushing the story now https://www.dangerous.com/39950/mag...ile-problem-that-no-one-wants-to-acknowledge/ (https://archive.fo/AiUym)

Magic: The Gathering is mired in a controversy surrounding allegations that some of its high-level tournament “judges” are pedophiles who were not given background checks by Wizards of the Coast, allowing them to mingle with children who play the game.

Jeremy Hambly, better known as the host of The Quartering and Unsleeved Media on YouTube outed several high-profile judges for their pasts, who are serving time for convictions on child pornography charges. Hambly is currently embroiled in what some refer to as the “next GamerGate” for taking the Hasbro-owned Wizards of the Coast and its surrounding entities to task for failing the gaming community.

Hasbro, the American toy and board game company, owns Wizards of the Coast, which produces Dungeons & Dragons, Magic: The Gathering, and the Pokemon Trading Card Game.

In documents and court filings reviewed by DANGEROUS, several such individuals who were convicted on charges of child pornography continued to serve as judges at Wizards sanctioned tournaments, where they held a strong presence among children who participated in the events.

Ross Prajzner was convicted on November 24, 2014 for possession of child pornography, among a host of other offenses. Despite his conviction, Wizards, which appears to have failed to do a background check, was listed as an active judge as recently as 2016. In May 2016, Prajzner celebrated his five-year anniversary as a judge.

He was only removed from the judge website after Hambly exposed him, but remains unbanned by the DCI—formerly the “Duelists’ Convocation International,” the official sanctioning body for competitive play in Magic: The Gathering.

Sam Straus, a level-3 judge, pled guilty to the charges of taking indecent liberties with a child, and using electronic means to solicit sex from a child in September, 2014. He was arrested as part of an online sting operation by the Augusta County Sherriff’s Office.

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Jason Long, the owner of Snap Keep Games in McHenry, Illinois, was indicted for sexual abuse against a 15-year-old in October, 2017. Long hosted weekly gatherings where children could play card games and tabletop games at his store. He was certified by the Wizards Play Network to hold official Magic: The Gathering events.

“The juvenile stopped in the store and they started a conversation,” said McHenry Police Cmdr. Thomas Walsh. “It went on from there.”

Long held a previous conviction for criminal sexual abuse in 2005 for performing a sex act on a 14-year-old, and was last registered as a sex offender in Cook County in 2015. If convicted, Long faces 13 years for his latest offense.

David Park, another level 3 judge, was sentenced to three years in prison in December 2015. He was convicted for molesting two teenage students. However, throughout 2014 and 2015, Park officiated at least 11 tournaments in Los Angeles, including Comikaze 2014 and the Star City Games Open Series in 2015. Much like Prajzner, he has not been banned by the DCI.

Luke Flora, a Star City Games employee and former teacher, was convicted of six felony counts of taking indecent liberties with a child. He is currently listed as the in-store programs coordinator at the company, and retains a user page on the company’s website.

Instead of refusing to publicly acknowledge Hambly’s investigations, the company chose instead to address it through one of its vice presidents on Twitter instead of releasing an official statement.

Recently, misinformation circulated on social media regarding Wizards’ policies, event staffing, and Magic judges. #WOTCstaff 1/5

— Elaine Chase (@ElaineChase) January 2, 2018



Elaine Chase, the VP of Global Brand Strategy & Marketing for Magic: The Gathering for the Hasbro-owned company, described the investigation as “misinformation circulated on social media regarding Wizards’ policies, event staffing, and Magic Judges.”

“Safety at Magic events is our top priority. We have a zero-tolerance policy for sex offenders. Our standard and long-standing practice is to suspend offenders from the DCI and/or remove stores from the WPN,” she wrote.

“Magic Judges, a fan-run community and separate from WotC, regularly posts anniversary blogs which sometimes include erroneous anniversaries for former judges not currently certified, either because of lapsing certification or active de-certification due to conduct,” she added. “Retailers and TOs are responsible for staffing events they run and are required to comply with all laws. We will continue to work with retailers and TOs to ensure safe and inclusive communities.”

Chase directed users who wished to report judge and retailer or player misconduct to official emails.

The company is now accused of being lax in its failure to conduct background checks on volunteer judges—even those in the United States—who participate in Wizards-sanctioned events.

Hambly, who outed the judges, tells DANGEROUS that he had his The Quartering channel flagged and removed by YouTube within 45 minutes of uploading a video condemning Chase’s statement and defending his investigation.

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“It had been mass-flagged (this video) by [in] my opinion members of the Judge Association,” he said. “They would’ve needed hundreds of flags in a short period of time. My insider at Google (who also was able to restore my account) had no doubt it was a mass flag.”

He has since reuploaded it to his main channel, Unsleeved Media.


“I remain unable to upload videos at this point and have disputed the false community strike,” says Hambly.

“But the censorship continues even on my main channel. I exposed a Judge in the community who then tried to file a complaint to get my video taken down. I did not take it down but as you can see, they are trying to silence me at every turn.”

DANGEROUS has reached out to Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast for a response.
 
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