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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
does anybody care?
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Oroku Saki, Shredder Rising has an interesting effect that would be right at home in my pauper commander Cauldron Familiar deck, as I care for both being able to return the kitty to my hand through Sneak as well as drawing cards. On paper the card seems perfect for the deck; in practice there's a huge problem with it in the form of the card art looking absolutely fucking gay to the point where I don't want to slot it in. Seriously, this guy is supposed to be the legendary Shredder and the best they could do was to draw him hitting some training dummies? What the fuck? Is this set rated PEGI 3 or something?
 
Flexo said:
Oh yeah. They posted the TMNT mechanics.

Does anybody care?
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Mutagen: Tokens that just sit on the battlefield and can be turned into +1/+1 counters on other creatures (i.e. this is not living weapon 2.0).

Sneak: Ninjutsu with a new name + ability to show up on any spell type.

Partner - Character Select: Just partner, they picked a new name so you can't mix and match with the other variants.

Class: Level up but for enchantments.

Disappear: Cares about permanents under your control leaving the battlefield. This is just keywording something that's been around for a while and it only triggers once per turn, not once per permanent leaving.

Alliance: Landfall for creatures, again keywording something that we have seen before.

These are very underwhelming, half of them are slight tweaks to existing mechanics and the most novel of the bunch (mutagen) seems underwhelming. Disappear seems like it'll be too weak to be interesting since it doesn't trigger on each permanent leaving, but Alliance seems like a good fit for kitchen table and might be useful in combo decks.
 
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UncleTusky said:
Class: Level up but for enchantments.
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Hey now, alot of the classes that don't have insane costs are really good.

The black one in TMNT might be incredibly good.

Aristocrat that triggers off any leaving the battlefield not just dying.

Menace

Sneak from graveyard for 4 mana

And all the upgrade costs are 2 mana so its cheap to get maxxed (that is the real issue with alot of classes)

The green one is the worst but the second level will probably draw you a good many cards.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
The black one in TMNT might be incredibly good.

Aristocrat that triggers off any leaving the battlefield not just dying.

Menace

Sneak from graveyard for 4 mana

And all the upgrade costs are 2 mana so its cheap to get maxxed (that is the real issue with alot of classes)
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I'm unconvinced. Great card for Commander for decks that can actually get hits in and or just want more blood artist damage. But the last time we had a playable version of first mode is Bastion of Remembrance in cat oven standard, or maybe Meathook if you want to squint and ignore that people played that as a flexible wrath first and foremost, Menace is good for an aggressive deck trying to get in damage but the sneak reanimate part seems like it's runs counter to the first two parts because now you want bigger things in the yard that you already discarded/self milled. It is also fine but less cool to use this to create-your-own Tenacious Underdog deck by grinding them out with inevitability via attacking with small aggressively stated fragile things and but I think it's worse in general. Also folds to enchantment hate (especially if you get hit with it after Declare Attackers and are now making an unwise attack), graveyard hate, creature removal/not being ahead on board.

I think most of the time against most decks this is a 3+2 mana worse bastion + menace. I sort of don't think it's unplayable in Pioneer in cat oven or non-cat Rakdos Midrange style decks but I haven't seen much that leads me to believe it's going to play better in standard.

As a card that is good from TMNT that is probably an auto include even in older formats is Raph and Mikey which goes in every Creativity deck from now until the end of time since hitting Archon of Cruely/Atraxa/Valgavoth/ 15/15 dino piece of shit in addition to a 7/7 hasty trampler is generally slightly better.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
I'm unconvinced. Great card for Commander for decks that can actually get hits in and or just want more blood artist damage. But the last time we had a playable version of first mode is Bastion of Remembrance in cat oven standard, or maybe Meathook if you want to squint and ignore that people played that as a flexible wrath first and foremost, Menace is good for an aggressive deck trying to get in damage but the sneak reanimate part seems like it's runs counter to the first two parts because now you want bigger things in the yard that you already discarded/self milled. It is also fine but less cool to use this to create-your-own Tenacious Underdog deck by grinding them out with inevitability via attacking with small aggressively stated fragile things and but I think it's worse in general. Also folds to enchantment hate (especially if you get hit with it after Declare Attackers and are now making an unwise attack), graveyard hate, creature removal/not being ahead on board.
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The Final Level is only 1B to level up to, so its only five mana to sneak in something giant and each level is pretty good on it's own.

Sephiroth sees Fringe play in Standard and this costs the same so you trade gaining life for triggering on any leaves play trigger (I think this is the only Aristocrat effect that triggers on any leaves play.)

1B is..the cheapest source of "Creatures you control have Menace" effect in the game, and +1/+0 makes it super low cost for the effect.

The last mode only costs B to level to, so like you can just kind of turn it on even if you aren't going to use it that turn and have it for later.


it's going to play better in standard.
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Honestly going by Standard is a metric I don't really go by anymore, Standard is in such a dumb power level. Its all strong and the meta is pretty diverse but none of the decks actually feel all that strong. Like casting Ancestral for 1U is actually quite powerful but I also know that I have to also have 3 Lessons in my graveyard so..I am technically doing an Ancestral off 1U as a payoff for a synergy with 3 other cards.

And like NONE of that Translates to older formats so like, I know I am doing something to strong for Standard..but won't stand up to any eternal format.

When I say I think the classes are all strong, I mean "They might do something, somewhere..at some time in some format"

Might be Temu Extended
Might be Pioneer..if anyone cares to ever play it
Might be Modern Horizons Block Constructed
Might be the two Grandpa formats

As a card that is good from TMNT that is probably an auto include even in older formats is Raph and Mikey which goes in every Creativity deck from now until the end of time since hitting Archon of Cruely/Atraxa/Valgavoth/ 15/15 dino piece of shit in addition to a 7/7 hasty trampler is generally slightly bett
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That..will probably be actually fun to do,
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
The Final Level is only 1B to level up to, so its only five mana to sneak in something giant and each level is pretty good on it's own.

Sephiroth sees Fringe play in Standard and this costs the same so you trade gaining life for triggering on any leaves play trigger (I think this is the only Aristocrat effect that triggers on any leaves play.)

1B is..the cheapest source of "Creatures you control have Menace" effect in the game, and +1/+0 makes it super low cost for the effect.

The last mode only costs B to level to, so like you can just kind of turn it on even if you aren't going to use it that turn and have it for later.
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See, my read is that this is a very confused card.

3 mana for a powered down Bastion (sepiroth gives life and is a 3/3 which makes him much better even if he never sacs a bloodghast or whatever)

Another 2 mana for an aggro effect that probably wouldn't see play on it's own unless it was on a body

1 final mana for a repeatable 4 mana reanimation that requires a specific board state to go off

Like I don't think 3 mana bastion plays in an aggro deck, 2 more mana for menace means you blanked all of turn 3 and half of turn 4 to not add to the board

Aristocrats might like this but has been dead in standard since shambling ghast blood money and/or blood avatar decks rotated out.

Neither archetype has anything of note to resurrect and don't really care about recasting something for etbs

Maybe the through-line for this class is as a finisher in a BRx control deck that discards Valgavoth and then sneaks him in after a big Song of Totentanz or something
 
Oddjob OTP said:
See, my read is that this is a very confused card.

3 mana for a powered down Bastion (sepiroth gives life and is a 3/3 which makes him much better even if he never sacs a bloodghast or whatever)

Another 2 mana for an aggro effect that probably wouldn't see play on it's own unless it was on a body

1 final mana for a repeatable 4 mana reanimation that requires a specific board state to go off

Like I don't think 3 mana bastion plays in an aggro deck, 2 more mana for menace means you blanked all of turn 3 and half of turn 4 to not add to the board

Aristocrats might like this but has been dead in standard since shambling ghast blood money and/or blood avatar decks rotated out.

Neither archetype has anything of note to resurrect and don't really care about recasting something for etbs

Maybe the through-line for this class is as a finisher in a BRx control deck that discards Valgavoth and then sneaks him in after a big Song of Totentanz or something
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See I view it as a bastion of remembrance that doesn't get instantly raped by Rest in Peace/Leyline of the Void and has some extra upside with a few utility effects.
 
macrodegenerate said:
Strictly worse. You can't Counterspell Ninjutsu, or really interact with it on the stack as it resolves.
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You can stifle Ninjutsu, the creature getting returned to hand is part of the cost but the ability can still be countered.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
After Final Fantasy I played a Grixis Pile with Tidebinder just to do this and it always got a 8 hour erection when I got to do it.
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Dimir Midrange is also running 4 Tidebinders not just because it turns off things like Ouroboroid, Monument, etc. but because in the mirror you also get an 8 hour erection from countering a Kaito ninjutsu activation.
 
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Dimir Midrange is also running 4 Tidebinders not just because it turns off things like Ouroboroid, Monument, etc. but because in the mirror you also get an 8 hour erection from countering a Kaito ninjutsu activation.
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Sometimes you fully buckbreak the opponent and they scoop as soon as it happens, but that is not the best thing.

Do you know what the best thing?

Tidebinder the Kaito Ninjitsu
Attack with Tidebinder
Ninjitsu in your own Kaito to reset Tidebinder.

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