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Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
The issue with Alrund's is essentially that it makes using any other win condition in control completely pointless,
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Nah, the issue is that it can be hid away in the foretell zone so Mid-range decks that should be able to prey on a big fancy 6 mana win con have issues actually interacting with the spell through discard. Honestly it, Chariot and Goldspan should probably all go if bans happen since they are all mistakes in the same vein

"Threats that are hard to interact with that provide extra value"

However Fuck WOTC and the "A new set is coming so we aren't touching standard" was fucking stupid autism. Do they really think that there some card that is going to solve things? Just nut up and say they think things are fine.
 
Flexo said:
I just do not think it is any kind of good idea to have a 3 color partner commander. Especially in Bolas colors.
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The good thing about that mechanic is that it's specifically not Partner. You can only pair it up with another SL: ST commander, and to be honest none of these commanders seem particularly impactful. If you want five colors, Kenrith is a much better "only playing him for his colors" commander.

Well, I say "good thing", but Secret Lairs with mechanically unique cards continue to be dumb. At least they're putting these as ultra-rares in set boosters next year.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Nah, the issue is that it can be hid away in the foretell zone so Mid-range decks that should be able to prey on a big fancy 6 mana win con have issues actually interacting with the spell through discard. Honestly it, Chariot and Goldspan should probably all go if bans happen since they are all mistakes in the same vein
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I mean, the inability to interact with it outside of the stack is part of why it outclasses other control finishers that a check for traps or duress can knock off. It's just that it also happens to work well with the rest of the package in a way other things don't - the huge price tag usually flips the egg, and doubling it up for just two extra is a steal. Naturally if someone gets to 8 open mana you should expect to get clowned on, but that's the nominal upsides of both being a sorcery and having foretell coming together.

Chariot definitely needs to go, but I honestly don't really know about Goldspan. It's a strong card, yeah, but it doesn't really push out all of the other midrange and aggro decks in the way that chariot does. It's certainly frustrating to target it with a kill spell only for the treasure thereby triggered to turn into negate, but even then it doesn't feel unbeatable.
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Just nut up and say they think things are fine.
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I get the feeling they don't want to have to admit that their design retardation and shortsightedness didn't end in Eldraine, so everyone gets to enjoy the stale metagame until Crimson Vow doing changing nothing forces them to make a ban.
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
I mean, the inability to interact with it outside of the stack is part of why it outclasses other control finishers that a check for traps or duress can knock off. It's just that it also happens to work well with the rest of the package in a way other things don't - the huge price tag usually flips the egg, and doubling it up for just two extra is a steal. Naturally if someone gets to 8 open mana you should expect to get clowned on, but that's the nominal upsides of both being a sorcery and having foretell coming together.
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Oh indeed, but Ephiphany is a perfect storm of bad ideas. Honestly the fact that it has a shell of powerful cards it fits into is just icing on the cake but even Mediocre decks with it can still just run you over out of nowhere.

Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
but I honestly don't really know about Goldspan. It's a strong card, yeah, but it doesn't really push out all of the other midrange and aggro decks in the way that chariot does. It's certainly frustrating to target it with a kill spell only for the treasure thereby triggered to turn into negate, but even then it doesn't feel unbeatable.
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It's not unbeatable..but a giant threat with evasion that is hard to interact with is just bad for the game. You have Saw it coming, Jiwari Disruption, Divide by Zero all able to protect it on the cheap in response to it being targeting. Black has 2 of the strongest removal spells it has ever had printed in the current standard..and it is still the worst color because 2 of the major threats make 1 for 1 removal impossible to play.,
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Oh indeed, but Ephiphany is a perfect storm of bad ideas. Honestly the fact that it has a shell of powerful cards it fits into is just icing on the cake but even Mediocre decks with it can still just run you over out of nowhere.


It's not unbeatable..but a giant threat with evasion that is hard to interact with is just bad for the game. You have Saw it coming, Jiwari Disruption, Divide by Zero all able to protect it on the cheap in response to it being targeting. Black has 2 of the strongest removal spells it has ever had printed in the current standard..and it is still the worst color because 2 of the major threats make 1 for 1 removal impossible to play.,
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Soul Shatter is the black answer to Goldspan, and since it usually tops the curve for creatures it works perfectly fine in most decks (the only non jank exception being against decks that are running green for Wrenn, in which case they can keep a 2 loyalty wrenn on the field to eat soul shatters) or Blood on the Snow alternatively.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
Soul Shatter is the black answer to Goldspan, and since it usually tops the curve for creatures it works perfectly fine in most decks (the only non jank exception being against decks that are running green for Wrenn, in which case they can keep a 2 loyalty wrenn on the field to eat soul shatters) or Blood on the Snow alternatively.
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Soul Shatter is why it is "Beatable" but a card with 1 direct answer (which isn't 100% Guaranteed) the fact it is the best answer is kind of a problem since Soul Shatter outside of G-span dragon is kind of a bad card.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Soul Shatter is why it is "Beatable" but a card with 1 direct answer (which isn't 100% Guaranteed) the fact it is the best answer is kind of a problem since Soul Shatter outside of G-span dragon is kind of a bad card.
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Every creature deck has a curve topper, and there are plenty of control decks that want to land a single creature/plainswalker (or pay a fuck ton to activate manland giant) and ride him to victory. It's only a bad card when you need to kill a lower cost creature then whatever their board has as it's top or they have multiple creatures at the same CMC and your opponent's choice matters. It's a great magic bullet for all sorts of cancer like Koma, Professor or Mordenkainen but if you're against one of the weenie decks you'd probably board it out for Bloodchiefs anyway.
 
Maratus volans said:
At least they're putting these as ultra-rares in set boosters next year.
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They are going to be in 1/8th of Streets of New Capenna Set Boosters, taking half The List slots. Only instead of a pool of 200 cards it's 8, so they are going to be printed to shit.
 
Maratus volans said:
The good thing about that mechanic is that it's specifically not Partner. You can only pair it up with another SL: ST commander, and to be honest none of these commanders seem particularly impactful. If you want five colors, Kenrith is a much better "only playing him for his colors" commander.

Well, I say "good thing", but Secret Lairs with mechanically unique cards continue to be dumb. At least they're putting these as ultra-rares in set boosters next year.
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Wait is that confirmed? Friends Forever is not partner compatible despite being mechanically identical? But like... walking dead still had zombie tokens...

Ugh this is giving me a headache.
 
Flexo said:
Wait is that confirmed? Friends Forever is not partner compatible despite being mechanically identical? But like... walking dead still had zombie tokens...

Ugh this is giving me a headache.
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The mechanic says, "You can have two commanders if both have Friends Forever", and since Partner isn't Friends Forever, you can't cross-pair.
 
Flexo said:
Wait is that confirmed? Friends Forever is not partner compatible despite being mechanically identical? But like... walking dead still had zombie tokens...

Ugh this is giving me a headache.
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I mean, Flying, Shadow, and Horsemanship are all the exact same ability(can only be blocked by creatures with the same ability), Flying does have Reach to work against it, but that's mostly because its the only widely-available one since Shadow is almost non-existent(The only Modern-legal cards with it are from the Time Spiral block and the recent Time Spiral remastered) and Horsemanship only existed in a single very old set, that was mostly only available in Southeast Asia and the only English prints of the set were sold in Oceania
 
Dunsparce said:
I mean, Flying, Shadow, and Horsemanship are all the exact same ability(can only be blocked by creatures with the same ability), Flying does have Reach to work against it, but that's mostly because its the only widely-available one since Shadow is almost non-existent(The only Modern-legal cards with it are from the Time Spiral block and the recent Time Spiral remastered) and Horsemanship only existed in a single very old set, that was mostly only available in Southeast Asia and the only English prints of the set were sold in Oceania
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Shadow has the technical distinction that it can't block non-shadow compared to flying which can always block the ground (unless spelled out in text). Horsemanship was literally a flying replacement for a portal set - which were designed to be intro products (which is also how stupid it is because even MaRo admits that flying is grasped quickly by newbies to the game).
 
I know this has been meme'd to death, but I was bored and started drawing...

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WOTC announced a new Secret Lair, Extra Life 2021, benefitting the Seattle Children's Autism Center, but there has been controversy due to accusations of the use of ABA therapy, in which there's this paper that said that ABA can be harmful, although I couldn't find any other supporting documentation to this claim. And even if ABA therapy is actually helpful, I can't see many people wanting to put money down to have these cards, for $40:

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Also, the Seattle Children's Autism Center is partnered with the Seattle Gender Clinic, another massive red flag.

Also, LSV and his second wife (I think), Gaby, had their first kid, and this was after LSV had a kid with his previous wife, that he divorced. And the reddit mods on the MTG subreddit scrubbed any mentions about his previous marriage.
 
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What's this? WotC getting actual hot girls to advertise a set? How much financial trouble are they in?
 
Goddamn the azorius spirit "auras matter" stuff in VOW looks awful. They start off as pretty terrible/meh creatures, and then you can cast them from the graveyard as auras that exile themselves when you remove the creature they are on. Unless there is Sram, Hateful Eidolon, and/or Kor Spiritdancer in the set to change casting auras into something that doesn't always 2 for 1 you it's just a bunch of junk cards no one will want in standard. I guess the better mono-white ones might end up in Orzov auras in the other formats but that's about it.

Also reddit is convinced this card is going to break Izzet Turns/Dragons when it's terrible for them (being at best a slight downgrade on Goldspan) but just going to get Chariot banned because of the insane synergy Chariot/Wrenn/Manaform will have in any red/green Midrange deck.
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