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LillWeeb said:
speaking of troon secret lairs, i am unironicly expected a Dylan Mulvaney one during June
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Naturally, a reprint of Abomination.

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Thiletonomics said:
Tabletop revenue increased 18% behind growth in MAGIC: THE GATHERING including Wilds of Eldraine and Commander Masters releases and continued strong sales of Universes Beyond including The Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-earth sets.
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I wonder how much of that was the burst of pack buying and scalping when people were still opening for the One Ring. I heard that prices collapsed immediately after it was found, and I haven't heard anything about the set since.
 
Harvey Danger said:
I wonder how much of that was the burst of pack buying and scalping when people were still opening for the One Ring. I heard that prices collapsed immediately after it was found, and I haven't heard anything about the set since.
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Reports of a collapse were premature. Prices went back to normal-ish levels. Lower than the peak, higher than a standard magic set.
 
Harvey Danger said:
I wonder how much of that was the burst of pack buying and scalping when people were still opening for the One Ring. I heard that prices collapsed immediately after it was found, and I haven't heard anything about the set since.
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Similar, I wonder about Dr Who which also has serialized cards that apparently everyone is going for.
 
So over the weekend I learned heroclix has released "iconix moments" figs.
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So now the Internet keeps breaking containment, I wonder when we get "Sneed and Chuck" secret lair magic cards.
 
Noebel said:
Millions will seethe
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It's the first card for the garbage saltai self mill deck that vaguely exists in standard that is actually playable. Most of them are just designed for tarmagoyf memberberrries for the boomers still convinced a build around 2 drop that can have big power and toughness is good enough in current year. His one has a small chance of actually taping on turn 4 as a 5/5 trample instead of what the deck normally does and get stonewalled by 1/1 solders until they get sunfall'd
 
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Looks like legacy depths is getting even more consistent. With a yavimaya in play, you can use your depths to crop rotate into this and make marit lage. I almost want to get back into legacy because of this.

Edit: realized it doesn’t play like I thought it does, since the copy isn’t like stage. Still think it’ll work in legacy as a way to get around wastelands.
 
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Ted_Breakfast said:
So modern Magic is MLP chasing Jeff Goldblum in his jeep through the Shire. Okay then.
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It seems ridiculous until you realize that the "Real" Magic storyline involves Nicol Bolas invading Ravnica for no sensible reason when he could use one of the Planes he already ruled for the plan...and Elesh Norn binding the Glistening Oil(which predated her by thousands of years) to her existence so as soon as she got yeeted the entire Phyrexian Invasion instantly Vanished.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
and Elesh Norn binding the Glistening Oil(which predated her by thousands of years) to her existence so as soon as she got yeeted the entire Phyrexian Invasion instantly Vanished.
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I mean the plot point is so dumb... what drives me craziest is that the fix is so easy: Have KARN be the one to bind the Glistening Oil to Elesh Norn and then Elspeth finish her off. He made Mirrondon, had the oil in him for awhile, it's not a huge leap to imagine that he'd be able to do that with magic.

No offense to gamers but I swear video games feel like they have rotted writers' abilities. (or maybe it's laziness) Like "oh, my protagonists have leveled up enough now, they can defeat the bad guys." There's no tactics or logistics or plans or calculations to anything any more.
 
Flexo said:
I mean the plot point is so dumb... what drives me craziest is that the fix is so easy: Have KARN be the one to bind the Glistening Oil to Elesh Norn and then Elspeth finish her off. He made Mirrondon, had the oil in him for awhile, it's not a huge leap to imagine that he'd be able to do that with magic.

No offense to gamers but I swear video games feel like they have rotted writers' abilities. (or maybe it's laziness) Like "oh, my protagonists have leveled up enough now, they can defeat the bad guys." There's no tactics or logistics or plans or calculations to anything any more.
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I mean Norn was a fucking nobody so her getting yote was fair, like Gix got killed by a Newt and a Orphan. Tsaboo got killed by Karn ripping her legs off and Gerrard shanking her. Like Outside of Yawgmoth being weirdly OP most Phyrexians are not that dangerous individually and what makes them scary is that there infinite of them.

The retardation was them basically just Thanos Snapping the entire species away because WOTC was bored of the storyline after a year.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
The retardation was them basically just Thanos Snapping the entire species away because WOTC was bored of the storyline after a year.
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Yawgmoth they at least put in the work to explain his defeat. Ever since then they keep making the arc villains so insanely powerful there's no real logical reason for them to be beaten other than "we gotta maintain status quo."

Like you pointed out earlier, March of the Machine could have been interesting had Phyrexia been defeated by their own hubris and underestimating just how BIG the multiverse is. Sure their numbers and coordination might have been able to take on a single plane one on one, but thousands if not trillions of them all at once? That would have at least been poetic, Norn being beaten by her own hubris.
 
Flexo said:
Like you pointed out earlier, March of the Machine could have been interesting had Phyrexia been defeated by their own hubris and underestimating just how BIG the multiverse is. Sure their numbers and coordination might have been able to take on a single plane one on one, but thousands if not trillions of them all at once? That would have at least been poetic, Norn being beaten by her own hubris.
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Well Quite Frankly...New Phyrexia had almost no actual chance to beat any single Plane in a war.

Ravnica? Threw off a much stronger and better planned Army
Dominaria? Threw off the OG phyrexians
Innistrad? At best Phyrexians cause enough Havok to wake up Emrakul and then EVERYONE is fucked
Theros? They can subvert gods sure..but they got one..and you can't subvert the Titans.
Ixalan? They got one Elder Dinosaur and it wasn't even one of the Two big fuckers.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Well Quite Frankly...New Phyrexia had almost no actual chance to beat any single Plane in a war.

Ravnica? Threw off a much stronger and better planned Army
Dominaria? Threw off the OG phyrexians
Innistrad? At best Phyrexians cause enough Havok to wake up Emrakul and then EVERYONE is fucked
Theros? They can subvert gods sure..but they got one..and you can't subvert the Titans.
Ixalan? They got one Elder Dinosaur and it wasn't even one of the Two big fuckers.
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Maybe Lorwyn. XD or the Arab plane.

Might have been interesting them invading Amonkhet after Bolas screwed it all up, THEN leaving it vulnerable to Phyrexia.
 
Flexo said:
Maybe Lorwyn.
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Depends on how it is post..fixing of the Day/Night Horseshit.

If the Dominuses and the Incarnations are still around chances are outside of Atraxa it is going to be tough for Phyrexians to win.

Like how are the Phyrexians really gonna..deal with a literal incarnation of Purity showing up and being like "LOLNO"
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Depends on how it is post..fixing of the Day/Night Horseshit.

If the Dominuses and the Incarnations are still around chances are outside of Atraxa it is going to be tough for Phyrexians to win.

Like how are the Phyrexians really gonna..deal with a literal incarnation of Purity showing up and being like "LOLNO"
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The image of Phyrexians showing up during shadowmor and then the aura hits, flipping it back to lorwyn and suddenly makes all the phyrexians like... Mr. Rogers' Borg gave me a good belly laugh.
 
Well so my buddies and I got to play some of the Dr Who stuff finally.

What I said about the complication of these decks for newbies was even more than I realized. The villain deck is stupid good and solid. Given its popularity, I would definitely recommend it to newbies to learn MTG. It's got a lot of moving parts, but they're all basic and easy to follow and utilize.

The 12+13 doctors deck is crazy insane in both execution and play. It's probably a good thing this is the least popular one because even as experienced as I am at MTG, I was starting to get headaches trying to sequence everything out with that deck. It is a bit of deviant fun because of the "paradox power" ability word (basically a lot of things in your deck love it if a spell gets cast from anywhere but your hand) you basically don't care about having any cards in your hand and you can frequently pull things out of graveyard or your deck on command. Still when you have cascades and stuff all going off, you have to be very very precise about orders and sequencing and making sure the player understands 13 isn't dropping counters on stuff until it finally reaches the battlefield (and in this deck it's possible you can spend 10 minutes on the stack before the original spell you cast ever ETBs).

I haven't got to see the other doctor decks in action yet (hoping to play classic soon) though at a glance, classic seems fairly basic and newbie friendly with not a huge amount of stuff piling up. 9-11 (timey whimey) though with its suspend and time travel does seem like another big challenge. In videos I've watched of games using it, sequencing and simultaneous happenings also pile up like crazy in it. I would not be surprised if WotC discovers not a lot of retention of new players who picked up the DW decks. For anecdote analysis, at my work there's about 5 other whovian fans. One even watches MTG content but doesn't want to even risk dipping their toe into the waters. 3 declined any interest. 1 of them was interested enough to pick up packs and decks, but I'd bet money that after they try a game they're going to never sit down at a table again.
 
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