Magic The Gathering

[Flexo]

The monkey hand curls. They will be commander decks instead. Screencap this, my dad works at Hasbro.

I actually agree with you.

Though I'm a bit shocked because Final Fantasy has its own TCG which as far as I can tell, is still ongoing. So... seems odd to team up with a direct competitor.

 

[Logistical Nightmare]

So what's everyone's thoughts on the rumored plans?
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Duskmourn is probably going to flop, foundations is acceptable but no cares about standard, innistrad remastered is unneeded but should be a fun draft environment, planar race sounds very disjointed and will likely have the same issues that MKM and OTJ had, Tarkir TWO is probably the thing I’m second most excited to see, space opera sounds gay as fuck, return to lorwyn is THE set I’m most excited to see, FF is whatever, marvel is whatever, and back to school: magic edition could be interesting but let’s be real, it hasn’t been long enough since strixhaven for this to be an interesting visit.

Edit: phoneposting autocuckreckt

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

innistrad remastered is unneeded but should be a fun draft environment

They do Phantom Drafts of Innistrad on MGTO and the only thing of real note is the infinite combo with the flashback and self mill card.

 

[DootSkeleton]

Today the banlist got updated my dudes.

***SUMMARY***
Pioneer:
Amalia Benavides Aguirre is banned.
Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord is banned.

Modern:
Nadu, Winged Wisdom is banned.
Grief is banned.

Legacy:
Grief is banned.

Vintage:
Urza's Saga is restricted.
Vexing Bauble is restricted.

All other formats had no changes.

And the answer the question of "how the hell did Nadu ship as-is?!?!?" was answered.
TL;DR it's another Skullclamp situation where Nadu's text was changed late in the design cycle and didn't get fully tested.

 

[Monolith]

So what's everyone's thoughts on the rumored plans?
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That's the bit on raising kids - which is what I was using a metaphor. But the quote on writing and not catering to the readers' whims didn't mention that. I'm the one that combined the two.


Yeah, original Innistrad hit that sweet spot of feeling familiar, yet unique - like you could identify the core of the ideas, but there was a new spin on them. Heck the idea that Sorin essentially created Catholicism on the plane in order to keep it from self-destructing was pretty neat.

Even later making it the lovecraftian references in the sequel set worked mostly, and there was a neat idea in the undead of the plane being suited for fighting back against the Eldrazi, but I think it fell flat because it was more like people doing a tribute to Lovecraft based upon the pop culture version of Lovecraft, not the original source. So it in essence became a copy of a copy.

I feel like the new concepts (Space opera, multiplanar race) could be good in theory, but Wizards is going to fuck it up because Wizards. Lorwyn is underrated, though.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

And the answer the question of "how the hell did Nadu ship as-is?!?!?" was answered.
TL;DR it's another Skullclamp situation where Nadu's text was changed late in the design cycle and didn't get fully tested.

And this was the original version.

Nadu, Winged Wisdom
1GU
Legendary Creature – Bird Wizard
3/4
Flying
You may cast permanent spells as though they had flash.
Whenever a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

We considered other cards as well. Treasure Cruise and Fable of the Mirror-Breaker were discussed at length.

Does Arclight Phoenix have a dad that works at WotC or something? They already banned Expressive Iteration for Phoenix, how many more cards gotta go. I'm surprised they aren't threatening Opt and Concider at this point.

Picklock Prankster is on fucking notice.

 

[CarlKingofDucks]

Only thing worth doing is cube imo or commander if you play with irl friends.

I did thoroughly enjoy LotR set even with the blacking. I imagine I will enjoy FF set since I'm a mega FF soyboy.

 

[Flexo]

And the answer the question of "how the hell did Nadu ship as-is?!?!?" was answered.
TL;DR it's another Skullclamp situation where Nadu's text was changed late in the design cycle and didn't get fully tested.

Looking at the article....

Many players still resort to using Thassa's Oracle, a weak card outside the combo once they've drawn their entire deck due to the Endurance loop being unrealistic under an online timer.​

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I feel like the author should be fired for that statement alone.

Also the fact this thread is filled with based Lowryn enjoyers is why I can't hate you beautiful autistic faggots too much.

 

[Noebel]

based Lowryn enjoyers

IF these motherfuckers won't give me a kithkin lord that is better than plain +1/+1 to everyone else 2/2 for 2 without any additional abilities, I would be upset.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Does Arclight Phoenix have a dad that works at WotC or something? They already banned Expressive Iteration for Phoenix, how many more cards gotta go. I'm surprised they aren't threatening Opt and Concider at this point.

Picklock Prankster is on fucking notice.

Izzet Pheonix was the top deck before the explore and vampire combos happened. Delve is a fucking busted mechanic.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Izzet Pheonix was the top deck before the explore and vampire combos happened. Delve is a fucking busted mechanic.

I'm not saying it's not a good deck, I'm saying that Arclight Phoenix is the card to ban out of Arclight Phoenix if you want to control Arclight Phoenix not a build around draw 3 and and all around good card that's not really a problem in the other good decks it's run in (cat oven, mardu greasefang, non-vampire rakdos, gruul boats).

Like if they banned Mirror Breaker 2 years ago because scary sure, but we've had 2 years of it being a good but not dominant card (like consider that Mardu greasefang is probably the worst of the 3 greasefangs because Mirror breaker is less good at winning you the game than what green or blue bring to the table)

 

[Rectum Ravager]

Modern:
Nadu, Winged Wisdom is banned.
Grief is banned.

Nadu was expected but I'm glad to see Grief is finally gone. My playgroup and I discussed whether Fury or Grief was the right hit in December, and now we don't have to worry about either.

 

[DootSkeleton]

Does Arclight Phoenix have a dad that works at WotC or something? They already banned Expressive Iteration for Phoenix, how many more cards gotta go. I'm surprised they aren't threatening Opt and Concider at this point.

Picklock Prankster is on fucking notice.

EI is too efficient period. It's banned in Legacy too. It was so good 4C piles were splashing for it.

Looking at the article....

Many players still resort to using Thassa's Oracle, a weak card outside the combo once they've drawn their entire deck due to the Endurance loop being unrealistic under an online timer.​

​

I feel like the author should be fired for that statement alone.

Also the fact this thread is filled with based Lowryn enjoyers is why I can't hate you beautiful autistic faggots too much.

Oracle is probably the best Lab Man ever printed, but it's still a Lab Man. Some decks will run Jace, Wielder of Mysteries over it since PWs are much harder to interact with. It's a perfectly acceptable power level for Modern, Legacy, and Vintage.

Only thing worth doing is cube imo or commander if you play with irl friends.

I did thoroughly enjoy LotR set even with the blacking. I imagine I will enjoy FF set since I'm a mega FF soyboy.

Cube is great fun. Commander is the niggercattle format. People who play Commander and ONLY Commander are a blight on the game.

 

[CarlKingofDucks]

EI is too efficient period. It's banned in Legacy too. It was so good 4C piles were splashing for it.


Oracle is probably the best Lab Man ever printed, but it's still a Lab Man. Some decks will run Jace, Wielder of Mysteries over it since PWs are much harder to interact with. It's a perfectly acceptable power level for Modern, Legacy, and Vintage.


Cube is great fun. Commander is the niggercattle format. People who play Commander and ONLY Commander are a blight on the game.

Its why I say Commander is only good with friends. Get 4 friends and each person builds the most derpiest deck they can and a game can take 5 hours.

 

[Flexo]

Oracle is probably the best Lab Man ever printed, but it's still a Lab Man. Some decks will run Jace, Wielder of Mysteries over it since PWs are much harder to interact with. It's a perfectly acceptable power level for Modern, Legacy, and Vintage.

I don't see how since Jace leaves open more interaction opportunities than Thoracle. If you drop Jace, you still have to take a draw action, which means I can then respond with a bolt or black kill spell to pop Jace before you win.

With Thoracle I either have to counter it on the stack (which also applies to Jace) or just lose on resolve.

 

[DootSkeleton]

I don't see how since Jace leaves open more interaction opportunities than Thoracle. If you drop Jace, you still have to take a draw action, which means I can then respond with a bolt or black kill spell to pop Jace before you win.

With Thoracle I either have to counter it on the stack (which also applies to Jace) or just lose on resolve.

Cast Jace, it resolves, active player still has priority and activates +1 to 5 loyalty targeting himself, win.
Very few instants exist that are good enough to see play can kill Jace after he activates.
From my searching the cards good enough to see play in Modern or Legacy, your options are:
two Bolts
Red Blast
Pyroblast
Fell the Profane
Edit: adding Tishana's Tidebinder
Stifle (might buy you a draw step)

Fringe playable cards:
Bitter Triumph
Feed the Cycle
Get Lost
Fateful Absence

It's appropriate that Jace is harder to deal with since he's 4 mana instead of 2 and requires UUU instead of UU.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Modern:
Nadu, Winged Wisdom is banned.
Grief is banned.

They should just ban all Modern Horizons sets from Modern at this point. Surprised The One Ring is still legal.

 

[Flexo]

Cast Jace, it resolves, active player still has priority and activates +1 to 5 loyalty targeting himself, win.
Very few instants exist that are good enough to see play can kill Jace after he activates.
From my searching the cards good enough to see play in Modern or Legacy, your options are:
two Bolts
Red Blast
Pyroblast
Fell the Profane
Stifle (might buy you a draw step)

Fringe playable cards:
Bitter Triumph
Feed the Cycle
Get Lost
Fateful Absence

It's appropriate that Jace is harder to deal with since he's 4 mana instead of 2 and requires UUU instead of UU.

Yeah, but those are all options with Jace and NOT options with Thoracle. Thus Thoracle is harder to interact with because the set of cards which can deal with it overlaps with the set of cards that can deal with Jace and there's additional cards in the set.

Like you point out above, "Get Lost" is a 2 mana solution for Jace, it is NOT a solution for Thoracle - so how is Jace harder to deal with than Thoracle?

 

[PonderosaPete]

If even two fish fight in the sea, a blue wizard rubs his hands together.